When can we try out Guild Wars 2? You want to try out Guild Wars 2, don’t you? You want to help ArenaNet launch its next big hit MMORPG, right? Well, President Mike O’Brien announced this week that he and his team will begin the next phase of beta testing for the highly anticipated game in February. First, elect press will be invited (*cough*hint*GAMEBREAKER*hint*cough*), then — the moment everyone has been waiting for — in March and April ANet will “aggressively ramp up the size of our beta test events so that many of you will have a chance to participate.” Then in the next sentence, O’Brien confirms that GW2 will release in 2012: “This all leads to the release of Guild Wars 2 later this year.” And the world rejoiced!

However, the world stopped the rejoicing when it heard that there may be in-game product placement, aka advertising, in Blizzard‘s next MMO codenamed Titan. Huh, what? The MMO development giant posted a job opening for a Franchise Development Producer to work with companies for product placement in its “next-generation MMO.” And now the world is confused.

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  • basmithtx

    I think that Tera’s meager performance in Korea may not directly correlate to performing bad in western markets. It’s certainly worrying, but consider that many games that actually perform well in Korea don’t often do all that well in the west either.

    Is it possible that the design/leadership decisions in the game which have resulted in sub-par performance in Korea, will in turn allow it to perform well in the west?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anthony-Luison/646235567 Anthony Luison

      The game did not perform poorly in Korea, gamebreaker is misinformed. The game was launched prematurely with no content and Koreans FLEW through the game being hardcore grinders and found themselves with nothing to do. Patches were later released with impressive amounts of content and the game has been climbing in publicity since. Not to mention another huge area, new class and another level cap raise are on the way. 

      • Chillplayer

         Hell GB is biased completely against TERA.  From what the company is showing us here in the US, I am frankly excited for May. I’m not in the Beta yet, but I’m very very excited. I tihnk GB was so biased because of both, how scantily clad the women can be, and the fact of the whole “Westernization.” All En Masse did was to localize it for Western markets. I’m completely fine with them calling it “Westernization.”.  I can remember when Jasmine was blatantly attacking the game because of the art direction. If it’s an underdog MMO for 2012, I want to play. Not as many retarded players as WoW’s been in the last months I’ve played it.  En Masse. Bring it on.

    • Peter Barry

      I think that’s the key issue that Gary doesn’t touch upon when he talks about TERA. I do have high hopes for TERA although it is in part because it hasn’t done well in Korea, hopefully the extra development time along with the less grindy nature of the game will mean the west will get a pretty decent game. 

      I don’t think you will get any news that portrays the game in a good light until its western release. Good news (like MikeB said) doesn’t provide anywhere near as much traffic as bad news did, especially for a game that has yet to be released and the effort needed to track down and translate these news stories. 

  • Anonymous

    I think that Tera’s meager performance in Korea may not directly correlate to performing bad in western markets. It’s certainly worrying, but consider that many games that actually perform well in Korea don’t often do all that well in the west either.

    Is it possible that the design/leadership decisions in the game which have resulted in sub-par performance in Korea, will in turn allow it to perform well in the west?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anthony-Luison/646235567 Anthony Luison

      The game did not perform poorly in Korea, gamebreaker is misinformed. The game was launched prematurely with no content and Koreans FLEW through the game being hardcore grinders and found themselves with nothing to do. Patches were later released with impressive amounts of content and the game has been climbing in publicity since. Not to mention another huge area, new class and another level cap raise are on the way. 

      • Anonymous

         Hell GB is biased completely against TERA.  From what the company is showing us here in the US, I am frankly excited for May. I’m not in the Beta yet, but I’m very very excited. I tihnk GB was so biased because of both, how scantily clad the women can be, and the fact of the whole “Westernization.” All En Masse did was to localize it for Western markets. I’m completely fine with them calling it “Westernization.”.  I can remember when Jasmine was blatantly attacking the game because of the art direction. If it’s an underdog MMO for 2012, I want to play. Not as many retarded players as WoW’s been in the last months I’ve played it.  En Masse. Bring it on.

    • Peter Barry

      I think that’s the key issue that Gary doesn’t touch upon when he talks about TERA. I do have high hopes for TERA although it is in part because it hasn’t done well in Korea, hopefully the extra development time along with the less grindy nature of the game will mean the west will get a pretty decent game. 

      I don’t think you will get any news that portrays the game in a good light until its western release. Good news (like MikeB said) doesn’t provide anywhere near as much traffic as bad news did, especially for a game that has yet to be released and the effort needed to track down and translate these news stories. 

  • Gigi McB.

    I hope you guys get into the GW2 press beta.  You are doing a show about it!!  So I hope that helps you get in!!

  • Gigi McB.

    I hope you guys get into the GW2 press beta.  You are doing a show about it!!  So I hope that helps you get in!!

  • http://twitter.com/Master10K Master10K

    /Pandaren Express ^_^

  • http://twitter.com/Master10K Master10K

    /Pandaren Express ^_^

  • Jimmy Nguyen

    I think Blizzard has their hands full trying to pull all the stops to make Diablo III and Titan games worth buying. They canceled Blizzcon and Diablo III was suppose to release 3rd quarter of last year. I’m really starting to think Bioware has them on the run. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=862175353 Gavin Morgan

      Although i want to agree with you i can’t. Swtor is not doing all that well so i reckon that Blizzard are pulling out all the stops to release some cracking products.

      • Jimmy Nguyen

        Swtor is not doing all that well? Last I checked they were selling boxes like nobody’s business. We’ll have to wait for the numbers to see.

        On the other hand, Diablo III has had about the same amount of content, only 1/3 of ACT I, for the last 6 months of testing. There are very few games I can think of that have given the players so little content for so looooong a period during a beta test. They’ve changed up their systems and philosophies on the game so many times now that it only makes me think that they have no idea what they’re doing. Not to mention the beta content has been beaten by my gaming inept girlfriend by mashing all of two buttons. I want Diablo III to be successful and I want to play the full game but that dang game was suppose to come out third quarter of last year, not to mention that I pre-ordered it in 2010.

        I’m starting to think that I’m going to wake up one day and find out that the game never existed and Blizzard will deny ever having worked on it. Please don’t let D3 go the way of SC: Ghost Blizzard.

  • Jimmy Nguyen

    I think Blizzard has their hands full trying to pull all the stops to make Diablo III and Titan games worth buying. They canceled Blizzcon and Diablo III was suppose to release 3rd quarter of last year. I’m really starting to think Bioware has them on the run. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=862175353 Gavin Morgan

      Although i want to agree with you i can’t. Swtor is not doing all that well so i reckon that Blizzard are pulling out all the stops to release some cracking products.

      • Jimmy Nguyen

        Swtor is not doing all that well? Last I checked they were selling boxes like nobody’s business. We’ll have to wait for the numbers to see.

        On the other hand, Diablo III has had about the same amount of content, only 1/3 of ACT I, for the last 6 months of testing. There are very few games I can think of that have given the players so little content for so looooong a period during a beta test. They’ve changed up their systems and philosophies on the game so many times now that it only makes me think that they have no idea what they’re doing. Not to mention the beta content has been beaten by my gaming inept girlfriend by mashing all of two buttons. I want Diablo III to be successful and I want to play the full game but that dang game was suppose to come out third quarter of last year, not to mention that I pre-ordered it in 2010.

        I’m starting to think that I’m going to wake up one day and find out that the game never existed and Blizzard will deny ever having worked on it. Please don’t let D3 go the way of SC: Ghost Blizzard.

  • DrossRocket

    White knight Final Fantasy defender here, 

    I concede the fact that FFXIV was a crap broken game at launch.  I left the game for about 6 months. the July patch 1.18 really made all the difference. And it’s only getting better with each patch. 1.21 (to be released in a few weeks) promises to be a huge content patch, and one step closer to ver 2.0 

    What I defend is the reform that the dev team is taking this game through. Many critics tear XIV apart based solely on their experience at launch or hear say based on the same. 

    Is the game currently better then launch? Yes

    Is the game suitable of  pay to play? Yes and No. If the game launched in it’s current state a year ago, XIV would be worth it. Now as a new player there is a lot to keep you busy, but you’ll be alone because the majority of the population are all max level. Those that are currently max level there isn’t a lot of content.  Subsequent patches will alleviate this. But it’s a hard sell. 

    Is the game getting progressively better? Yes. But no one will pay attention til ver 2.0 arrives 

    FFXIV fans aren’t defending the launch version of the game. We’re defending the game in it’s current and future form. One which commentators such as yourselves seem to turn a blind eye to. 

  • Anonymous

    White knight Final Fantasy defender here, 

    I concede the fact that FFXIV was a crap broken game at launch.  I left the game for about 6 months. the July patch 1.18 really made all the difference. And it’s only getting better with each patch. 1.21 (to be released in a few weeks) promises to be a huge content patch, and one step closer to ver 2.0 

    What I defend is the reform that the dev team is taking this game through. Many critics tear XIV apart based solely on their experience at launch or hear say based on the same. 

    Is the game currently better then launch? Yes

    Is the game suitable of  pay to play? Yes and No. If the game launched in it’s current state a year ago, XIV would be worth it. Now as a new player there is a lot to keep you busy, but you’ll be alone because the majority of the population are all max level. Those that are currently max level there isn’t a lot of content.  Subsequent patches will alleviate this. But it’s a hard sell. 

    Is the game getting progressively better? Yes. But no one will pay attention til ver 2.0 arrives 

    FFXIV fans aren’t defending the launch version of the game. We’re defending the game in it’s current and future form. One which commentators such as yourselves seem to turn a blind eye to. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anthony-Luison/646235567 Anthony Luison

    That being said, TERA is not a Korean grinder, you can max level in two weeks if you know what youre doing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anthony-Luison/646235567 Anthony Luison

    That being said, TERA is not a Korean grinder, you can max level in two weeks if you know what youre doing.

  • Jay Nielson

    SOE may talk a big game but they have set the standard for ignoring their customer base.  Neither SOE or Funcom will ever get another dime from me….

  • Jay Nielson

    SOE may talk a big game but they have set the standard for ignoring their customer base.  Neither SOE or Funcom will ever get another dime from me….

  • jazzbrownie

    Haven’t actually played it myself, but I’m pretty sure that lotro doesn’t have pvp in the traditional sense.  The only pvp that exists is from players taking the role of a mob.

  • Anonymous

    Haven’t actually played it myself, but I’m pretty sure that lotro doesn’t have pvp in the traditional sense.  The only pvp that exists is from players taking the role of a mob.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Feyd-Darkholme/100000194391744 Feyd Darkholme

    Anarchy Online has has real life billboard ads for years now, and while it’s not “Earth”, it fits because it’s a futuristic setting. I didn’t mind it and I actually felt like it made the world feel a little bit more alive.

     

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Feyd-Darkholme/100000194391744 Feyd Darkholme

    Anarchy Online has has real life billboard ads for years now, and while it’s not “Earth”, it fits because it’s a futuristic setting. I didn’t mind it and I actually felt like it made the world feel a little bit more alive.

     

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1094283426 Connor Grogan

    As i recall reading a few years back that turbine is contracted to make content for LOTRO until like 2015 or 2017

    and TERA… yeah.. castanics.. no thanks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1094283426 Connor Grogan

    As i recall reading a few years back that turbine is contracted to make content for LOTRO until like 2015 or 2017

    and TERA… yeah.. castanics.. no thanks.

  • squzy

    Blizzard never fails? I remember Starcraft Ghost. It wasnt released but it was canned long way in production.

  • Anonymous

    Blizzard never fails? I remember Starcraft Ghost. It wasnt released but it was canned long way in production.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Thibeault/1149196875 Paul Thibeault

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Thibeault/1149196875 Paul Thibeault

    I think if the release date for MoP is somewhere between June and September, and D3 is supposed to be released this year, they just havea lot to focus on. Blizzcon, they’ve said before, is a lot of work for all their employees and if they can cut that off the workload this year, they’ll be able to focus on making this year’s releases, as well as the work on Titan that much better.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Thibeault/1149196875 Paul Thibeault

    I think if the release date for MoP is somewhere between June and September, and D3 is supposed to be released this year, they just havea lot to focus on. Blizzcon, they’ve said before, is a lot of work for all their employees and if they can cut that off the workload this year, they’ll be able to focus on making this year’s releases, as well as the work on Titan that much better.

  • http://twitter.com/ErikB87 Erik Bjørbæk

    It’s rather obvious why they are cancelling BlizzCon. As Mike S said, they got D3, Mists, SC2 xpac and Titan on the agenda. All this combined is alot of work for everyone.

    To host blizzcon is a huge workload for everyone in Blizzard. Without it this year, they can focus on the games. We as gamers should be happy about that.

  • http://twitter.com/crusadernero Crusadernero

    It’s rather obvious why they are cancelling BlizzCon. As Mike S said, they got D3, Mists, SC2 xpac and Titan on the agenda. All this combined is alot of work for everyone.

    To host blizzcon is a huge workload for everyone in Blizzard. Without it this year, they can focus on the games. We as gamers should be happy about that.

  • Nick Ratcliffe

    I was | | close to spitting out my coffee with your “trine” play on words.

  • Nick Ratcliffe

    I was | | close to spitting out my coffee with your “trine” play on words.

  • Mark Beebe

    GW2 before summer i’d suspect. anyhow, Mike kinda looks a bit like michael shanks that played daniel jackson in Stargate sg-1, no? well..i think so. anyhow…unimportant nonetheless, lol.

  • Mark Beebe

    GW2 before summer i’d suspect. anyhow, Mike kinda looks a bit like michael shanks that played daniel jackson in Stargate sg-1, no? well..i think so. anyhow…unimportant nonetheless, lol.

  • mad.martha

    OK , playing Devil’s Advocate here :

    Asbestos underpants ON – Here goes :

    No Blizzcon 2012 because they know MOP sucks , and the last thing they want is to open themselves up to heaps of citicism (about MOP) without some other meaningful news (e.g. Titan previews) to deflect it.

    Think about it – in the Blizzcon 2011 keynote where they introduced MOP , the first half of that speech was all saying about how the *NEXT* expansion was going to be sooo great…….and in the meantime here’s some pandas.
    (Go back and watch the GBTV footage where Gary is getting all excited about the speech , all the “good stuff” was referring to what comes AFTER MOP)

    That in itself is a pretty damning enditement – If they really were so confident about MOP they would not have spent the effort in “big upping” the expansion after it.

    Even as I was watching it I was thinking “Wow , even Blizz doesn’t like MOP that much.., they are already trying to sell you what comes next.”
    It almost came across as a sort of pre-emptive apology for MOP , in effect saying “Sorry about this one guys – we promise to make up for it next time”

    It also makes sense if they are looking at the current MMO situation – you don’t put out your next “big thing” around the launch of a major competitors initial release.
    Instead , you tread water (read : MOP) , then come back with a big hitter once the dust settles.
    (read : D3)

    I know , I know , I know – 99.9% out there are gonna completely disagree with me on this.

    Fair enough.

    I’m just putting this “out there” because I genuinely feel there’s this elephant in the room (that MOP really does suck) that everyone is carefully treading around it so as not to upset anyone.

    [MM]

    ….let the flames begin……

  • mad.martha

    OK , playing Devil’s Advocate here :

    Asbestos underpants ON – Here goes :

    No Blizzcon 2012 because they know MOP sucks , and the last thing they want is to open themselves up to heaps of citicism (about MOP) without some other meaningful news (e.g. Titan previews) to deflect it.

    Think about it – in the Blizzcon 2011 keynote where they introduced MOP , the first half of that speech was all saying about how the *NEXT* expansion was going to be sooo great…….and in the meantime here’s some pandas.
    (Go back and watch the GBTV footage where Gary is getting all excited about the speech , all the “good stuff” was referring to what comes AFTER MOP)

    That in itself is a pretty damning enditement – If they really were so confident about MOP they would not have spent the effort in “big upping” the expansion after it.

    Even as I was watching it I was thinking “Wow , even Blizz doesn’t like MOP that much.., they are already trying to sell you what comes next.”
    It almost came across as a sort of pre-emptive apology for MOP , in effect saying “Sorry about this one guys – we promise to make up for it next time”

    It also makes sense if they are looking at the current MMO situation – you don’t put out your next “big thing” around the launch of a major competitors initial release.
    Instead , you tread water (read : MOP) , then come back with a big hitter once the dust settles.
    (read : D3)

    I know , I know , I know – 99.9% out there are gonna completely disagree with me on this.

    Fair enough.

    I’m just putting this “out there” because I genuinely feel there’s this elephant in the room (that MOP really does suck) that everyone is carefully treading around it so as not to upset anyone.

    [MM]

    ….let the flames begin……

  • http://www.facebook.com/wvolin William Volin

    My opinion on titan:

    Remember .dot//hack?

    Think that kind of thing.

    Near future real life (or alternate modern) mixed in with matrix-esque connection to a gaming word. Not limited to a fantasy world, but multiple worlds for different types of gamers.

    Why limit an MMO to a certain genre when you can run multiple words in one?

    I honestly think that Titan could very well link into world of warcraft as well from that standpoint. Very much opening the option of WoW 2.0 at the same time. With worlds in all sorts of timelines.

  • http://www.facebook.com/wvolin William Volin

    My opinion on titan:

    Remember .dot//hack?

    Think that kind of thing.

    Near future real life (or alternate modern) mixed in with matrix-esque connection to a gaming word. Not limited to a fantasy world, but multiple worlds for different types of gamers.

    Why limit an MMO to a certain genre when you can run multiple words in one?

    I honestly think that Titan could very well link into world of warcraft as well from that standpoint. Very much opening the option of WoW 2.0 at the same time. With worlds in all sorts of timelines.

    In my opinion this is a new way of delivering content from a portal that can be a strong market for all types of gamers.

    This could also open up the world of ‘serverless-servers’ that they keep bringing up in the shows.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bruce-Fauble/1466377126 Bruce Fauble

    As far as Titan is concerned; I predict it will be a post apocalyptic MMO. However, the huge twist will be realism (ie… by using Google Earth they completely recreate DC, or some other major city or the entire country). The product placements could be integrated as “items” you need to collect (ie..  you need to find Corvette – buy it OR steal it) as well as billboards for real world products (some could be partially destroyed but still recognizable).

    I think they saw the hunger for that style of game due to the news of Bethesda v Interplay, and they want to get a similar setting out before Bethesda can turn out Fallout: The MMO

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bruce-Fauble/1466377126 Bruce Fauble

    As far as Titan is concerned; I predict it will be a post apocalyptic MMO. However, the huge twist will be realism (ie… by using Google Earth they completely recreate DC, or some other major city or the entire country). The product placements could be integrated as “items” you need to collect (ie..  you need to find Corvette – buy it OR steal it) as well as billboards for real world products (some could be partially destroyed but still recognizable).

    I think they saw the hunger for that style of game due to the news of Bethesda v Interplay, and they want to get a similar setting out before Bethesda can turn out Fallout: The MMO

  • http://twitter.com/Thaguf Thaguf

    On Tera, they are with frogster arent they usually f2p?

  • http://twitter.com/Thaguf Thaguf

    On Tera, they are with frogster arent they usually f2p?

  • http://www.facebook.com/LordBastor Boris Gaganelov

    Watch 10 adverts and get a free day of gameplay or some sort of item of exp boost or smth.
    That seems to be the best thing they could do.
    Capitalist swine.

  • http://www.facebook.com/LordBastor Boris Gaganelov

    Watch 10 adverts and get a free day of gameplay or some sort of item of exp boost or smth.
    That seems to be the best thing they could do.
    Capitalist swine.

  • Revanhavoc

    I love when you guys get into the high level intellectual side of the industry of gaming entertainment. It’s right now 60 billion dollars annually in the US and only growing. I hope Gamebreaker can really beneft from future growth of the industry.

  • Revanhavoc

    I love when you guys get into the high level intellectual side of the industry of gaming entertainment. It’s right now 60 billion dollars annually in the US and only growing. I hope Gamebreaker can really beneft from future growth of the industry.

  • matthew coomer

    i swear to god i will never eat at a fucking papa johns for all the fucking commercials….

  • matthew coomer

    i swear to god i will never eat at a fucking papa johns for all the fucking commercials….

  • Kasey Speakman

    Even if you go back to Nintendo, some games had built-in advertising, like California Games, and all the brands. Like Ocean Pacific, etc.

  • Kasey Speakman

    Even if you go back to Nintendo, some games had built-in advertising, like California Games, and all the brands. Like Ocean Pacific, etc.

  • Kasey Speakman

    Regarding a PvE version of Resilience, EQ2 did this. They introduced a Critical Mitigation mechanic and it became required for raiding. If you didn’t have crit. mit., then the bosses would one-shot you. It basically made it harder to do catchup for new raiders, because you couldn’t even be carried through the content (unless you just stayed dead or waited outside the zone), as most group zones didn’t drop gear with crit. mit. initially.

  • Kasey Speakman

    Regarding a PvE version of Resilience, EQ2 did this. They introduced a Critical Mitigation mechanic and it became required for raiding. If you didn’t have crit. mit., then the bosses would one-shot you. It basically made it harder to do catchup for new raiders, because you couldn’t even be carried through the content (unless you just stayed dead or waited outside the zone), as most group zones didn’t drop gear with crit. mit. initially.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lawrence-Gillespie/1005485819 Lawrence Gillespie

    Let’s remember that Blizzcon is an event to promote their games. Perhaps they feel that the event isn’t necessary to promote their current line up of games, and they aren’t ready to make any big announcements about Titan. It also could be merely a cost saving measure.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lawrence-Gillespie/1005485819 Lawrence Gillespie

    Let’s remember that Blizzcon is an event to promote their games. Perhaps they feel that the event isn’t necessary to promote their current line up of games, and they aren’t ready to make any big announcements about Titan. It also could be merely a cost saving measure.

  • SlyJo4

    SWTOR sold 8k boxes in the US last week

    Cata sold 5k and it’s been out for a year

    The SWTOR hype train has come to a screeching halt

  • Elra Druid

    Something Gary forgot to point out, another reason people are looking forward to Tera is there are at least ten streams live at any time and the people playing it are having a blast.