Ambushed!

Conspiracy theorists are buzzing today after Blizzard announced they have scheduled their massive Mists of Pandaria 5.0.4 patch for Tuesday August 28th…yea you know…the day that other MMO releases.  The 6 gig pre-expansion patch is packed with all the Panda goodies such as shared mounts, pets, and the talent revamp.

 

Guild Wars 2 that other MMO launches on August 28th as well…coincidence?…I don’t believe in your stinkin’ coincidences.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rodriguezcorreamiguel Miguel Rodriguez

    Real, Blizz trying to make sure they dont let thar gamers turn around and behold the beauty called GW2. Want to keep em sucked into WoW and D3. Put on them blinders

  • http://twitter.com/ZodiacMeteor ZodiacMeteor

     But I’ll be playing Guild Wars 2 on the 25th :P

  • HappyHansel

    Pandas are playful like that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=747990258 Josh Neudecker

    Oh snap

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Feyd-Darkholme/100000194391744 Feyd Darkholme

    Activision Blizzard trying to gauge what the impact of GW2 launch is going to be… Get ready for a rude awakening guys, I for one am going to be playing GW2 and I have a sneaking suspicion that I am not the only one.

  • http://twitter.com/Nathiest Nathiest

    It’ll be an interesting day.

  • http://twitter.com/Pross182 Pross182

    For the love of god Blizzard, don’t claim that this is just a coincidence. Everyone knows you do this to compete. Quit claiming you aren’t. 

  • Nate Amaral

    Epic dragon fights, innovative quest system and dynamic events, amazing new combat system, spectacular graphics, gripping pvp VERSUS pandas. I’m sure arenanet is shaking in their boots.

  • Tyler Woidan

    Hmmm… pokemon or Guild Wars 2? Gonna really struggle with that decision.

    • http://twitter.com/z4chman Zach

      I’m not, Pokemon. Seeing as if you pre-order Guild Wars you get to play on the 25th. 

      • Tyler Woidan

        yeah, but I’m pretty sure if I’ve been playing GW2 for 3 days and still have the ability to play GW2, I’m not gonna wanna play Pokemon. You’ve been able to play pokemon for 16 years…

        • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

          You do know GW2 has pet battles.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Feyd-Darkholme/100000194391744 Feyd Darkholme

       I don’t think that Pet Battles are available until MOP launch, not the 5.0.4 patch… but yeah.

  • http://twitter.com/Hawkn93 Austin Carlin

    Too bad I’ll be passed out/dead from playing GW2 since the 25th… Or the fact that I stopped playing WoW years ago.

  • Menashe Eisner

    This is so lame. The mighty Blizzard becomes a puppy that follows the new MASTER! 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Caswell/631559369 Jason Caswell

    This is not a new business strategy, nor is it new for Blizzard to do this.  For the almost eight years that WoW has been out Blizzard has launched either expansion patches, if not the expansion itself, or content patches within a week of the competitor’s product launching.

    I don’t see why this is really a surprise anymore.

  • http://www.facebook.com/caio.negri.3 Caio Negri

    So Gary does not believe in coincidences, but aliens are 100% legit =P

  • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

    I’m honestly looking at this from a different angle and thinking that it’s a good move to put out a patch on a day where your servers won’t have that much of a load on them ::wink wink::

    • Odeezee

      haha, i see what you did there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Hamilton/1150725720 Ryan Hamilton

    Whoever made that headline picture is a genius.

  • http://profiles.google.com/mourneblade Mark Redrun

    Actually, its kinda smart of blizzard, the server load will be lighter and there will be a lot of less people complaining about the patch firetrucking everything and the game being unplayable due to big patch day.

  • http://www.facebook.com/inkogni.alex Inkogni Alex

    ok, so they launch a damn patch on same day. so what?
    best they can get is making you log in for 1-2 hours and go play GW2 once the servers are up or updated

    • http://twitter.com/Luke_Malcolm Luke Malcolm

      Ya people make the biggest deals outta small things.

  • ssjjr21

    Sorry Blizz, but i’ll be having tons of fun in WvW….. gonna be passing on the pandas  :)

  • http://twitter.com/AgeNightroad Adrian Lloyd

    Well… I saw this coming a mile away

  • http://www.facebook.com/donnie.nelson.7 Donnie Nelson

    Well, Blizz sorry but most of us will be trying Guild Wars 2 on the 25th. Flaw in your idiocracy. Just another crack until your dynasty falls, may we take out the aquaducts for you? Then take a torch into Stormwind and Orgimmar. . .they would burn up like George W. Bush, bathed in greed and oil. Poof. So the age of tyranny has come to an end and we can look out of our caves at the rising sun. Then a dragon flies over, Kralkatorrik, and we must rise in a cheaper form of entertainment. ONWARD TO VICTORY MY CHILDREN!

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      man there are some silly posts in the forums today.

  • http://twitter.com/borded nathan law

    epic backfire! wont be playing the pre mop content then.

  • pandora005

    Hmmm … is Blizzard being taken over by Arenanet already or why are they sabotaging themselves? Do they really want to push people into playing GW2?

  • http://www.facebook.com/isaac.humphries.7 Isaac Humphries

    I think its not really going to matter considering world of warcraft is dumbing their game down and adding childrens content its more like a “hey kids 12 and under come play with panda’s while the adults and people who appreciate great story telling, lore, immersive combat, graphical awe, hand painted worlds, personalized choices, and your character actually being involved in the story can come to the big boy game :]

    • Kagitaar

      ‘Pandas auto make it kiddy’ just means you are a child who doesn’t want to be.

      When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up. C. S. Lewis.

      • Saboteur Sweden

        +1 internets to you sir

      • TacoBaal

         Keep telling yourself that, kid.

        • Kagitaar

          Care to refute my argument with substance?

          • TacoBaal

             I don’t see an argument here, just some kid trying to be edgy about unicorns, rainbows, and video games. Regardless, I just thought you like being called a kid after that quote. Go find substance in something actually meaningful, please.

      • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

        That is a funny statement for an MMO with the comical Asura, the plant people and furry kitty cats, that uses to be the horror of GW1.

        • Kagitaar

          Pretty sure you meant to reply to the OP, right?

          • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

            yep. miss read the quote.

    • http://www.facebook.com/carlthemeister Carlos Martinez

      oh boy, don’t know where to start. children content you say, how old are you? seven? you say you appreciate great story telling, lore, immersive combat… really? WoWs lore/story telling is the BEST you’ll find in any MMO, can’t believe you (or anyone) wrote that, maybe it’s just you don’t like (or understand) it. immersive combat; ok maybe as of now combat mechanics ain’t the funniest but come on, not appreciating WoW for it’s combat and control responsiveness is just silly. graphically it SUCKS, but again, OoT with its 64 bits is better than 95% of the games you can play today. bottom line, if you don’t like pandas, dont roll a ****ing panda, if you don’t like pet battles, well.. figure it out. but don’t say WoW is adding children’s content, that’s the dumbest thing i’ve heard. 

      btw, im playing GW2 because right now WoW is not giving us any QUALITY CONTENT, which is not the same as “children’s content”. 

      • http://twitter.com/QuietNine Quiet

        i think youre missing the point. there is a huge difference between a game with werewolves, centuars, humans and orcs, and a game that throws in pandas. pandas ARE childish. kong-fu pandas are VERY childish. even if you dont roll one, the reality that they are running around everywhere reduces the enjoyment of the enjoyment of the game for a lot of us. the same can be said about pet-battles, thats some serious little kid stuff. if youre cool with it, fine, but suggesting that the complaint isnt valid just because it doesnt bother you is ridiculous. 

        saying wow has the best lore and storytelling is bogus too. swtor, which failed on many fronts, had far superior storytelling. Rift has far superior instanced storytelling (although they fail to gradually bring the player up to speed) and non of it is dumbed down to a 12 yr olds level. GW2, which does have some dumb plots (humans “circus” personal story) also has some really, really great ones (human “commoner” or “streetrat” and “missing sister” or “orphanage”). wow cant compete on quest immersion when they have you picking up dung and trying to pull story out of flat quest text. the only immersive quests in wow in the past 2 years have been for legendary weapons.

        • http://www.facebook.com/francisco.fermin.395 Francisco Fermín

          People like you , that know shit crap about Lore and where pandarens actually come from and when they started , are the people that i want to stay away from the WoW comunity. If you really think MoP is just ”lololtrol pandas kunfu” You are freaking retarded and you are ignorering everything else. Im content that they finally added a race from WC3. And im glad that they added them to keep away people like you from the game.

          • http://twitter.com/QuietNine Quiet

            your comment doesnt need to be hostile (its ridiculously hostile, actually). if you alienate members of the wow community who arent lore experts, its just gonna be you and 5 other guys playing. lore does not equal good story telling; wow has lots of lore, but wow puts very little effort into actual story telling compared to just about every other recent mmo (swtor, rift, gw2). outside of legendary quests, almost every quest is nothing but quest text. this really isnt acceptable or impressive for 2012.

            just because pandas are in the lore, does not mean they are not an intentional grab at little kids (especially kong-fu pandas). pandas in WC3 were nothing but a novelty cute “friar tuck” that drank a lot of beer. they are here as a marketing ploy to attract a younger audience, just like pet battles and farmville.

            there is good stuff in the new expansion, more raid content, all around improved class functionality, but the choice to include such an epicly childish storyline and race is a slap in the face to gamers who expected more.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      Have you been running through the personal stories in GW2?  Talk about juvenile and dumbed down. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/KyleDAJuza Kyle Juza

    I can’t wait for WoW! oh wait, that was a typo… I meant to say WvW! 

  • http://twitter.com/MalLociswtor Mal-Loci

    I dont play wow and i dont plan on playing gw2 but i had to lol, good for you wow.

  • paul rocha

    whats up with the stupid ass all seeing eye logo next to the panda, the The Eye of Providence you say? FAIL! YOU WILL FAIL!

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      Im assuming that is GW2 lore.  Some day, im going to have to read up on GW2 lore, I haven’t learned crap about GW2 lore playing GW2. 

  • MysticLlamaMan

    Pretty smart.  Anyone that has already bought GW2 will be playing on the 25th anyway, but those that may have been on the fence and thought, “Well I guess I’ll go check out what this GW2 is all about since there is nothing to do in WoW right now” will be much less likely to pick up the game with a new large content patch.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      For sure, I will be playing GW2 during the head start weekend.  But on Tuesday, got to check out all the new WoW 5.0.1 builds and see how they affect my raiding toons.

      Figure GW2 will be my casual weekend gaming and WoW MoP my three nights a week Raiding MMO.

  • tommythepower

    Blizzard is a joke,but i guess there is still some kids dumb enugh in the west to play that crap known as wow ^^

  • http://glacius.pip.verisignlabs.com/ Glacius

    Zzzz.  Where’s Titan, Blizzard?  Enough with the 8-year-old game, already.

    Nah, I get that you want to keep supporting it, so long as so many loonies keep paying for it, but seriously, bring on the new one.

    What a jackass move, though, in any event.  Spiteful towards former employees much?

    • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

      Yea..I’m with you here. After 6 years of playing WoW, I think it may be time to call it quits. I can’t really stand the ever increasingly outdated models much longer. Hell, I’ve been in the beta for months now and I’m already tired of seeing my human warrior look so out of place in the new areas. The difference is a lot more noticeable than it used to be. 

    • Sharuko

      They released the Sunwell patch (2.4) when AoC launched.  They released the WotLK prepatch (3.0) when Warhammer Online.  They released Onyxia with Aion (3.2.2).  They released Patch 4.3 when SWTOR launched (LFR, Transmog, Raid and 5-Mans)

      It has nothing to do with “former employees”.

      • Spammerbam

         Damn, you need a vacation..

  • http://www.facebook.com/cloakingsmitty Scott Grosjean

    I am sick of WoW atm, but I have said that before.  I came back and I like the camaraderie I felt when playing with others.  GW2 is great and fun so far, but for the long term I am looking for others that I can play with, coordinate with and generally hang out with.

    I don’t play MMOs for the solo experience.

    Once I get past the newness, I am hoping GW2 is my methadone to my WoW/Heron addiction. ;) I am hoping for long term friendships and memories of awesomeness!!

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      It it wasn’t for twitch or twitter, I would have not idea who else is running GW2 content.  The NPC, I mean other players are there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Thenatoes Jason Matzke

    And that the good Old Blizzard always dropping patches on some other game launch day we all know. But this time Blizzard i’m not falling for it.

  • Sharuko

    What a smart move by Blizzard.  They basically called out the GW2 bluff by releasing a content patch when it launched.  What does Blizzard have to fear? Nothing.  The are probably smiling at this cute attempt of “competition”.  

    I am pretty sure they are confident in the fact that GW2 combat/camera/controls feel like they come from the pre-WoW era.  There is almost no content at end game.  No depth in combat because you spam 3 abilities.  PvP centric MMO with almost no PvE content.  Nexon inspired cash shop. Lack of variety in sPvP (one mode).  No group synergy in group play, guild play or combat.  

    And by the time MoP launches the GW2 forums will be up in flames with people crying that they have nothing to do and will be demanding refunds.  Look at what MoP has to offer at end game.  Scenarios(5 Scenarios at launch), Challenge Modes, 5 Mans (Heroics and Normal), Raids, LFR (3 raids within weeks of launch).  Not to mention pet battles.

    Before calling WoW Pokemon.  Just realize GW also has pet battles and they have legendary items catered to their audience – Rainbow colored unicorn weapons.

    • Spammerbam

      Right? I mean wow, look at all those reasons you’ve listed. Clearly, there’s nothing for you to worry about..

    • Shinz21

      Then go and play MOP! Simple.

      I personally dont like the look of MOP endgame because it is the same monotonous content that players complained about (including me) during Cata aside from scenarios and pet battles which may both end up being a grind anway.

      If you didnt get my point, its that people dont like what blizzard are doing with MOP either, but we dont go posting bullsh*t propaganda on every news hit in a futile attempt to get others to think like we do.   

    • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

      Wow…I can’t stop laughing, that is one for the record books. Tell me; do you actually ENJOY making yourself look freaking retarded all the time? Here is a tip for you; most of the people here have played GW2 and your false claims not only do not upset us, we find you hilarious. You are probably the most persistent troll I’ve ever seen, and that just makes your fail all the more epic. Keep it up buddy; I love a good laugh.

    • http://twitter.com/OnlyInSaudiArab \.. Wa5eer ..//

      LOL u really a fan boy knows nothing about GW2 all i can see now is Blizzard admitting that GW2 is killer 

      Blizzard is gambling right now with the new expansion coz thy knows Pokemon wont hold it even for one day 

    • http://glacius.pip.verisignlabs.com/ Glacius

      What “bluff”?  Making a game?  Making a game that isn’t another WoW clone?

      LOL @ fanboy logic.

      “Look at what MoP has to offer at end game. Dungeons for 3 people, dungeons for 5 people, ranked dungeons, dungeons for more than 5 people. Not to mention pet battles.”

      I cleared that up a bit.

    • http://twitter.com/DaPhoolz Rp TheFoolz

       You’re the man Sharuko. You’re the man. :)

    • Lance Bennington

      You clearly know nothing about Guild Wars.  You either A. Work for Blizzard PR department or B. Have so little willpower that you are not willing to try something new.  Guarantee I have more /played in WoW than you & I haven’t played in years as I won’t support a company that doesn’t put its playerbase first.  How can you mock some of the legendary weapons in GW2 when for years all of the raid armor has looked like power rangers?  BC isn’t coming back.  WoTLK failed to deliver, so did Cataclysm, & so will MoP. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

        Actually I’m pretty sure that he HAS played GW2 during the
        betas. Not because I agree with anything he says mind you, but because he is so
        wrong so often. It is statistically impossible; he’d have to eventually be
        right about SOMETHING. It’s just the law of averages. The fact that he can be
        so consistently wrong about every little detail, in spite of all the times he’s
        been corrected or seen evidence to the contrary on the very videos he trolls,
        shows that his false information is deliberate. That is how you know he is a
        troll; he gets EVERYTHING wrong and has NOTHING to back it up.

      • MMO_Doubter

        I am not about to defend Blizzard. They are not the company they used to be.

        Your problem is that you think ANet is in business to make gamers happy.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

          Actually they are. Now I know how that sounds but hear me
          out. Arena Net doesn’t charge a sub fee, so unlike Blizzard they won’t be
          getting paid regardless, their income will dry up almost instantly if they don’t
          keep their players happy. Most MMOs don’t care because of the sub investment; a
          lot of people will stick with a game even if it is less than perfect just
          because they’ve already paid for game time. However when you don’t have a sub
          fee to hook people in that “disgruntled player exodus” happens a heck of a lot
          faster. Arena Net knows this, and have proven in the past that they understand
          they NEED to keep their players happen.   

          • MMO_Doubter

             Please explain how ANet pays their bills with their players’ happiness.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Willi-Enderle/1668850948 Willi Enderle

             Happy gamers pay for expansions.

          • MMO_Doubter

            Then why is there such an extensive cash shop?

          • http://www.facebook.com/adzaell Adam Elliott

            A cash shop helps to pay for live updates. If on average a GW2 player buys $5 a month for the first few months, then 5 million a month keep arenanets live team kicking over nicely. projected figures have more than 1 million sales though, but we will see how many remain active players.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

            I understand your concern; I really do, but there is
            honestly nothing in that cash shop that even remotely resembles power. I
            realize there are a few sticking points like exp boosts and karma boosters and
            such, but there is one very important thing to keep in mind there; cooking.
            EVERY SINGLE BOOST you can buy with gems you can also make, quickly and easily,
            with the cooking skill. Crafting not your thing? No problem; you can’t walk two
            feet in the game without tripping over a karma vender selling pies of exp boost
            and karma cakes are whatever for in-game currency. The cash shop just makes it
            easier to get these things, it is not the only or even the best way to get
            them.

    • http://www.facebook.com/ilvarsb Ilvars Bērzs

      As ex-wow player i can count numerous things that are better in wow than GW2 but wtf is this wall of s*it you just wrote? I mean on every point you are wrong, seems you havent even heard about GW2 and just try to guess what happens there. I mean control, camera is more advanced and at last wow isnt with best control anymore in mmos, theres alot of depth in combat but its very different from wow depth and you actually spamm less skills than in wow. Theres only one arena mode too, and sPVP=arena and not battlegrounds, battlegrounds=WVW wheres alot more than in wow BGs. If you compare wow group synergy to GW2 one then the wow one is non-existant! Im not sure how its compared to MOP but theres alot more pve/endgame than in vanilla wow. 

      • MMO_Doubter

         GW2 isn’t competing with vanilla WoW. Just like SWTOR wasn’t.

        • Lycronis

           So you think a new game should have as much content at launch as a game that has 7+ years of added content and expansions?

          • MMO_Doubter

            Nope, but I wasn’t the one suggesting that a comparison to a 7 seven year old version was apt, either.

          • Odeezee

            if that is what you think the person you replied to was trying to emphasize then you might want to brush up on your English a little. s/he was giving a comparison of the amount of content available in GW2 relative to WoW, so people can have a sense of the scale of content in GW2 at ship.

            no new game released should ever be expected to have as much content as a game that has been out for 7 years. that comparison is always brought up by WoW players as it’s an automatic win. but the issue that people forget is that the amount is of less importance than the quality, which WoW has not seen for many years now. shelling out mundane dungeons and raids does not mean you have more content if people don’t actually enjoy them or even want to do them (look at TERA).

    • http://www.facebook.com/adzaell Adam Elliott

      lifeless/soulless world? I’ve played both games… wow for 7 years and GW2 in BWE 1,2&3, and of the two games, i’d say WoW has the more static, lifeless world, and a lack of soul as it NEVER changes.

      • Spammerbam

         “There is almost no content at end game. No depth in combat because you spam 3 abilities..Lifeless/Souless world…No group synergy in group play, guild play or combat”

        He was referring to Tera.

        • Odeezee

          actually, he’s really referring to WoW. i think he is trying for like reverse psychology?

    • Lediath

      shhhhh guys, don’t feed the troll =P

    • Odeezee

      HAHAHA, psssht! nice try…Blizzard!

  • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

    My guild is all ablazed with discussion about the attack on Theramore and the World PVP that will go along with that.  The upcoming changes to the talents and new rotations for the character classes.   Figure the 25th will simply be the class changes and Theramore attack will happen a week or so later.

    Seeing two or three players coming back per day to my small raiding guild.  Discussing which are the best specs today and what will be the new specs in two weeks. 

    There is genuine excitement building on the upcoming patch and expansion.

    Next few months should be a blast with WoW MoP and GW2.

  • Spammerbam

    It would have been better if Blizzard released the patch on Friday, the 24th, since most GW2 fans will be playing on the 25th.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      Weekends are for casual gaming, most WoW raiding guilds run Tuesday through Thursday. 

      • Odeezee

        wouldn’t that have be better then seeing as most WoW players don’t, you know, even raid?

  • Spammerbam

    (duplicate)

  • http://twitter.com/squared002 Squared002

    Good, let all the WoW players go back to WoW that Tuesday. It will free up server space on GW2 and get rid of a lot of the WoW talk in /map chat. Really, play each game if you want; leave your fanboi-ism at the door and just enjoy each game for what they are… oh wait, this is the internet. Everyone is a critic that thinks the rest of the world gives a crap what they think… my bad!

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      I really do hope there not a lot of WoW 5.0.1 patch and MoP chat in GW2.  it is annoying that every new MMO I try, starts chatting about WoW.        

      • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

        That’s actually pretty strange to me, I’m not questioning you, just saying I’ve not experienced it. In the last few months I’ve tried SWTOR, WoW, Rift, Aion, APB, TSW, GW2, and more and in every one of them chat always seems to eventually lead to GW2. And in three GW2 betas plus some stress tests I can’t recall a single mention of WoW.

        • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

          Nope, saw plenty of discussions about WoW during the GW2 BWE,  kinda disappointing. 

          • Odeezee

            what server were you on, because the only WoW reference i saw was one guy saying he was going to cancel his WoW sub now that he has played GW2. and that was the only time i saw it and i never turn off global chat.

      • Old Ben

        > There hasn’t been a peep about GW2 in months in WoW trade chat.

        You must have typed “/leave 2″ at some point, then.

        • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

          hahaha,  Nope, trade chat is all about politics, religion, Chick-fil-a and Canada.  (Not sure why Canada comes up so much.)

          • MMO_Doubter

             Well, it is because we are awesome, Dude.

  • http://www.facebook.com/MrKnight91 Matthew Knight

    yay cant wait for the mop pre-xpac content

  • http://www.facebook.com/juan.chavez.71619 Juan Chavez

    The irony is that I wouldn’t mind checking out the changes on top of Guild Wars 2 action. But I’m broke. Like, can barely afford food and gas broke. So glad I didn’t use that money for WoW! xD

    • MMO_Doubter

       So…HOW are you going to BUY GW2?

      • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

        Nearly a million people already bought it, myself included, so perhaps Juan is one of us. I’m pretty broke at the moment too, but the game is already sitting on my hard drive, so it is possible.

        • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

          Yep, got my GW2 expense out months ago, got my MoP pre-purchase done the first day it was available. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

            Good to see SOMEONE is being a reasonable person and
            realizing there is no point in arguing and that, if you want, you can just as
            easily play both games. Arena Net has been trying to drive that point home for
            years and too few people seem to get it.

  • http://twitter.com/prism2525 prism2525

    Wasn’t MoP scheduled to release on the 28th of September or some date close to that?

    That’s one cowardly attempt to try and attack another game. In my view it means that Blizzard is getting hot under the collar.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      Lol, its just a patch, scheduled one month out from MoP release.   Why are all the GW2 fans freaking out.

      • http://twitter.com/DaPhoolz Rp TheFoolz

        right. it’s just normal that they would do something.

        if they do not, there’d be no news.

      • Odeezee

        i feel kinda sorry for Blizz tbh, but the issue is that they ARE cowardly as they waited for GW2 to announce a release date in the first place and engineered the release for MoP to try and circumvent any loss of subs that GW2 is sure to bring. their biggest miscalculation is that they assume they have a good enough product in this MMO market to maintain their subs.

        to put something into perspective for many WoW-proponents; WoW has not just lost 1.1 million subs due to the “end of expansion fatigue”, what people fail to realize is that since the release of Cata (Dec 2010) WoW has lost ~3.2 million subs which most WoW-proponents pass off as “business as usual everything is alright”. if i was still a WoW player, i would be cheering on Arenanet and GW2 because it will undoubtedly mean major improvements for WoW, otherwise it will just end up killing itself due to ineptitude and arrogance.

  • H S

    sounds like blizz is a bit nervous

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Caswell/631559369 Jason Caswell

    I see a lot of people that think this is an underhanded move by Blizzard, a desperate move, a sign that Blizzard is sinking, blah blah blah…

    This is business strategy.  In fact, it’s business 101.  Blizzard has done with every competitor’s launch since WoW released.  But I see tons of people acting like this some new thing and that Blizzard is taking some last resort drastic measure to compete with GW2.

    Welcome to the grown up world, kiddos.  Businesses compete in many ways.  Releasing updates in time with a competitor’s product is part of the business world.  Congrats!  You just learned something new!

    • Lance Bennington

      That is just it.  For Blizzard all games are now days are “business”.  They don’t give a sh*t about their players & it shows in the quality of their games & their frequency of updates.  I wouldn’t be surprised if WoW is updated more regularly now that it has some actual competition.  All I see is a desperate company trying to hold onto as many subscribers as it can before it sinks. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Caswell/631559369 Jason Caswell

        You think ArenaNet doesn’t have accountants watching the bottom line?

        This is what I meant when I said “Welcome to the grown up world, kiddos.”  Adults that are part of the working world know that a company is concerned with both bottom line and quality.  You can say Blizzard doesn’t care anymore, but that’s opinion speaking, not fact.

        To say that Blizzard doesn’t care and then is making a desperate attempt to keep customers contradicts itself.  I’m not defending Blizzard or ANet.

      • MMO_Doubter

        You think ANet is any different?

    • Menashe Eisner

      You are right, it’s all business now, Blizzard had stopped putting their heart into their games, and money is the new/old god! Gladly ArenaNet is also after the business, but didn’t forget that MMO is an emotion driven thing!

    • Old Ben

      We have indeed learned something new. In the BC / WotLK days, Blizzard wouldn’t dream of letting other companies dictate their schedule. Either they genuinely didn’t care what the competition did or they were at least smart enough to realize that reactive moves come across as a sign of insecurity.

      Maybe this is just a coincidence, and was decided by Blizzard long before GW2′s release date was set (unlikely), but it comes across as a pretty desperate move (releasing a patch without any actual new content) just to try to squeeze into the news on that day.

      The old Blizzard would never have given Arena Net (or anyone else) this much importance. They would have tried to release a better product on an earlier date, and force everybody else play catch-up, not the other way around.

      This is like seeing Microsoft let Ubuntu dictate their release schedule.

      • Josh Rosenvelt

        Well BC was just the pinnacle of wow pve, they called it wowcrack then for a reason. It seemed to go downhill when they publically listed through the activision merger. They really had to make a game for the people and not a game for gamers.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z36GPOU3Q2QIQYBIDVNQAVGNGE Raul


          They really had to make a game for the shareholders and not a game for gamers.”

          *Fixed.

        • Old Ben

          WoW’s design team was replaced with the current one before the Activision merger. 

      • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

        Poor SWTOR, Blizzard didn’t even react and SWTOR crashed and burned. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z36GPOU3Q2QIQYBIDVNQAVGNGE Raul

    all I needed to see were those 2 character models next to eachother to remind me why I dropped My wow sub after 6 1/2 years.

    Personally, pandas don’t equal fantasy or adventure, for me.
    For those of You that think WOW hasn’t been gentrified, all I can say is ….

    C’Thun.

    C’Ya

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Caswell/631559369 Jason Caswell

       I heard Van Gogh and Picasso look exactly the same.  Two different art styles?  What madness is this?!

      • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

        Hmm,  Picasso MMO, that would be some crazy polygons. 

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z36GPOU3Q2QIQYBIDVNQAVGNGE Raul

          i’d so play that.
          (aim for it’s eye! no, the other one by it’s foot thingy!)

    • Sharuko

      Really? You realize one is concept art right?  Put Pandarens next to Charr in terms of in-game models and Pandarens look way better.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

        Aside from having half the poly count, a third of the texture resolution, and vastly inferior lighting. But I guess if you can overlook that then a pandaren looks about the same as a GW2 character….on the lowest graphics settings.

        • MMO_Doubter

          Anyone who thinks graphics are the most important thing about an MMO doesn’t get it.

          I have plenty of issues with WoW which caused me to cancel my sub last year, but graphics weren’t one of them.

          Enjoy the pretty graphics in your cash shop ‘game’.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Caswell/631559369 Jason Caswell

            Based on your comment about “cash shop game” I think it’s safe to say you’re completely ignorant of what that means and that GW2 is not one of those.

          • MMO_Doubter

            Feel free to give your definition.

            GW2 has no sub fee. How are they going to make money? The cash shop.

            ‘Convenience’ items. Lottery boxes. Paid buffs to crafting and magic find.

            If these have been removed, let me know.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

            They’ve been removed. Or rather I should say “they never existed as you think they did.” Everything in the “lottery boxes” is available through multiple means in game. Magic Find buffs are meaningless because of the stat cap on gear, and those crafting buffs have nothing to do with how powerful the gear you craft is, they effect the crafting exp you earn. And since crafted gear is level locked…yeah, no advantage there. That is the major thing about the GW2 cash shop; while some of the items look questionable on the surface, and I’d be lying if I said I didn’t dislike a few myself, none of them actually provide any kind of advantage. At all. Ever. Seriously name any cash shop item and I’ll tell from firsthand experience exactly how meaningless it is.

          • MMO_Doubter

            You think ANet has filled their cash shop (the MAIN source of revenue) with useless items?

            Does that really make sense to you?

          • Old Ben

            Yeah, that would be as stupid as Valve trying to make money by selling hats in TF2 or something dumb like that.

            Or some brand of wristwatches trying to charge more by putting diamonds and rubies on them, without actually making them better at keeping time.

            There’s no way vanity items could be profitable.

            Oh, wait…

          • MMO_Doubter

            Name one cash shop MMO that has ONLY sold vanity items.

            Vanity items sell. Power sells even more.

            No way in hell TF2 cost as much to make as GW2.

          • Old Ben

            > Name one cash shop MMO that
            > has ONLY sold vanity items.

            There’s this really obscure one you probably never heard about called “World of Warcraft” that only sells pets and mounts…

            > No way in hell TF2 cost as
            > much to make as GW2.

            Congratulations on making a factual statement. It is, however, completely unrelated and irrelevant to the issue being discussed. You might as well say “no way in hell TF2 costs as much to play as GW2″. Also true, also completely irrelevant.

            > Vanity items sell.
            > Power sells even more.

            That’s why shoes are priced based on how fast they let you run, and not on the manufacturer’s logo, right?

            Oh, wait…

            You wouldn’t last 10 minutes working in a marketing department.

          • MMO_Doubter

            WoW sells gold. Also, it is a sub-based game. GW2 is funded by the cash shop.

            GW2 sells more than vanity items. Why?

            What KIND of  shoes? There are lots of shoes that are sold based on performance. Heard of Nike and Reebok? Heard of work boots?

            As for working in marketing? Not a problem. I have a soul and intend to keep it.

          • Old Ben

            Comparing the relative profitability of work boots or Nikes to Manolo Blahnik or Stuart Weitzman shoes should give you a clue as to why your economic theories make no sense. But if you can’t see that even in your own examples, I guess there’s no hope.

            Luckily you don’t need to be an expert in marketing or economy to make a living there in the Echo Isles.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

             -Name one cash shop MMO that has ONLY sold vanity items.-

            Guild Wars 1. That is why so many of us trust Arena Net; this isn’t new; they’ve been doing it for nearly seven years and haven’t screwed us yet.

          • MMO_Doubter

            Didn’t GW1 sell character slots and inventory bags?

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

            So does GW2, what is your point?

          • http://twitter.com/OnlyInSaudiArab \.. Wa5eer ..//

            Cash shop game ?? omg ppl never learn to read before thy type none-sens 

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

            I never said they were the most important thing, or even
            mildly important. I was simply pointing out an observation. Even on low settings GW2 has better looking graphics than WoW; that isn’t bashing WoW or Blizzard; it is just the way things are. At this point the technology behind WoW is so old it can’t keep up. That isn’t taking a side or picking one game over another, it is just a fact. WoW is running on extremely outdated tech, and designed to work on extremely –by current standards- low end systems.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Case/100003772398650 Justin Case

             cash shop game?what are you talking about?sunglasses?yeah,right,sunglasses will allow you to pay to win in PvP!keep on trolling!

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/ITHF7XKYGVXFAPCDMDJTKHLBBU Lian Wan

             I assume it will be like GW1, no costumes in PvP. :)

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

            Nor anything else from the cash shop. I can confirm from experience; everything from the cash shop is locked out of PvP.

          • MMO_Doubter

            In-game gold to buy the blueprints? Buy gems. Sell to players for gold. Buy blueprints.

            Buffs to influence gain? Use influence to pay for guild buffs?

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

            Actually building the stuff on those blueprints takes massive amounts of supply, more than any one player can ever carry at once, and
            there is no shortcut to gaining that. So no, using gold to buy blueprints and gems to buy gold is not an advantage but it is not only possibly, but highly likely, that you’ll just waste your money on things you won’t ever use. And as
            far as influence goes there is one major thing about those guild buffs no one ever mentions; they take several hours of in game time to charge up and have a
            short duration. And during that time you have to be, active not AFK, in a fort
            you wish to buff. What that means is to provide a guild buff you actually have
            to STOP PLAYING THE GAME. You have to pick a spot and just sit there even if
            everyone else is on the other side of the map with no interest in you at all. I
            don’t see a lot of people spending real cash to NOT PLAY.

          • MMO_Doubter

            There is a lot more than just vanity items in the store. Guess you missed the screenshots that were leaked.

            Play for a week and have a good look at what’s for sale. THEN come back and call me a troll.

          • http://twitter.com/Mourneuk P Fenwick

            I had a good look at the store last stress test thanks.  No pay to win items in there at all.  just a load of convenience and vanity items.

          • MMO_Doubter

            Tell me what you consider pay to win.

            IMO, ‘convenience’ items ARE P2W.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Case/100003772398650 Justin Case

             we don’t need leaked info you troll,the shop has been active for a month,there is no pay to win element in it.Every thing that is in the shop drops in game(except for vanity items,like hats and sunglasses).You haven’t played the game,but here you are trolling nonstop.Go back to your Mists of Pokemonia,my 8 years old sister will join you,maybe you can do some raids together!

          • MMO_Doubter

            I am not subbed to WoW. As I have made clear.

            You are in for a very rude awakening when you try to ‘earn’ that stuff in-game. After release, I mean. When ANet has ‘adjusted’ the drop rates.

          • Gronba

            What drop rate? If its anything like GW1, the moment I reach max level I go to a vendor and bam max item level gear – sure it may look like crap, but that is vanity

            Its fine that you dont want to play GW2, but right now your are making no sense what so ever

          • MMO_Doubter

            The moment you hit max level – which is 80, right? It was 20 in GW1, right?

            WHY did they add 60 levels to hit cap?

          • Gronba

            sorry, my reply got fosted further up

          • Gronba

            Anything that gives me character power unachieveable besides by buying it for real money?

            If having that extra bank slot, or reaching max level faster through xp boosts is pay to win for you thats fine, but honestly the majority of the player base couldn’t care less.

            Besides any P2P model must be considered even more P2W for you then - since you can’t even access you character after the initial month if you dont continue to pay.

          • MMO_Doubter

            I question whether you are speaking for the majority in your opinion of P2W.

            As for a sub-fee? Not pay to win, because everyone pays the same amount. I can’t pay $30 or $45 to get more stuff faster.

            As for earning it by playing? Well, HOW LONG does it take? HOW MUCH grinding do you have to do to get the stuff it takes five minutes to buy with real money?

          • Gronba

            If the defintion of P2W is just getting stuff within a time line you are WRONG – every one does not pay the same amount to win – if I can’t for my sub for september I wil fall behind your gear progression and when I then can afford my sub fee I wont be as powerfull as ou. It may be on a monthly basis, but it is still p2w if your definition holds true

          • Arkanthos

             Your personal and useless opinion on whats p2w and whats not is well just an opinion(which are all biased and overrated anyway). Those ppl who think gw2 is p2w wont play it, the other will. YOU wont change their minds, no matter what your philosophy is.

          • Gronba

            Getting from 1 to 20 took in GW2  about aslong as it took for me to get from 1-5 i profecies (GW1 first campaign).

            If its the amount of levels and not the time spent getting to max level you are talking about I am not sure I understand your complaint.

            That said in either case it does not matter if I have max item level gear waiting for me that moment I hit level 80 who cares if it takes me 40 or 50 hours played to get there. But then again I played EQ1 back in the days, I know what a hell level is

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

            Ah that old straw man argument. I call that kind of thing a “subjective
            advantage” because, as you said, it is only your opinion. The simple fact is
            that in the GW2 cash shop there are no objective, that is to say actual,
            advantages at all. Period. Now in my opinion if you are so concerned with how
            fast someone else is leveling, and other things that have ZERO impact on your
            personal experience, you need to grow up and get a life, online gaming is
            clearly not for you.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z36GPOU3Q2QIQYBIDVNQAVGNGE Raul

            Agreed.
            But As an animation student and an artist,asthetics do mean a good deal to me.

            As someone that has been playing wow since vanilla, immersive gameplay is also equally important.

            As someone that also recently unsubbed from wop, having a pretty car that drives nowhere fast is also not sustainable.

            Time will tell whether or not gw2′s journey is enough to unsour my opinions of most of the genre.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Caswell/631559369 Jason Caswell

           Funny you say this considering one of the bigger complaints during BWE1, 2 and 3 was the low quality graphics.

          But again, different art styles are different.  You can’t say that Von Gogh is better than Picasso without relying on your opinion.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

            My opinion has nothing to due with the technology. WoW is outdated. Pure and simple. That isn’t an opinion, nor a complaint, it is a fact. WoW simply CAN’T look as good as GW2; the technology is too old.

            Now don’t get me wrong, that art style holds up incredibly well and for that reason is one of WoW’s strong points, but from a technical standpoint WoW’s graphics more than a little dated.

          • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

            No, Pandaria looks beautiful.  Flying though the Pandarian landscape on my Resto Druids Swift Flight Form is total  amazing.  The blowing snow off the white cap mountains, the raid entrances built into the sides of the mountains. the Sha touch corruption, just truly a sight to see.   The World PVP with the Horde and Alliance temples sitting on top of each other.

          • Randall_Wolfcry

            Dularr, either you have very bad vision or you have an older computer that can’t handle the graphics of GW2. I don’t mean to put you down either way, but WoW is simply WAY lower quality when it comes to graphics. If you run GW2 on a low spec machine it will have to blend the textures together in an ugly way like a game always does when your PC can’t actually handle it, but that’s the only way GW2 would have bad graphics.

            The complaints were about GW2 not running well in the BWEs. This was because they hadn’t/haven’t optimized the game to work with your graphics card yet. Since it’s not optimized, everyone’s PC get’s overwhelmed trying to render it. It’s already been integrated some and may get better as they keep optimizing before release.

            Either way, if you render WoW and GW2 on a medium to high-end PC, it’s beyond clear that WoW has lower quality graphics.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Caswell/631559369 Jason Caswell

             It always amuses me to see the ignorance of people saying that WoW’s graphics are “simple”.  It displays a clear ignorance of what is involved in delivering a full scene.  Much of what’s seen is taken for granted, but when it’s not there, it’s noticed.

            GW2 has good graphics, but they’re not groundbreaking nor are they superior in quality to WoW’s.  They are different.  I know it’s difficult for kids these days to understand such simple concepts as “different”, but trust us older folks when we tell you, such a thing exists.

          • Arkanthos

            U don’t look older and wiser, when you don’t know the difference between aesthetics and graphic m8. Graphic are superior in gw2 thats a fact since its a newer game on a newer engine. Aesthetics is the thing that is different, not better not worse. Mostly personal opinion (like wow cartoon style).

          • Old Ben

            > nor are they superior in
            > quality to WoW’s. They
            > are different

            Walking around Orgrimmar and then Divinity’s Reach makes it pretty clear just how “different” they are.

          • MiZTiiX

            if you care so much abotu graphics, you’re not a real gamer, period. Also realistic graphics get outdated so fast.

          • Odeezee

            the most ridiculous attempt at a rebuttal i have seen in this thread that is not pure trolling.

            gameplay and graphics are equally important to me and i will not compromise. it’s one of the reasons i never really liked WoW. it had decent gameplay but the graphics just made me cringe; so blocky and jarring.

            and neither WoW nor GW2 has “realistic” aethetics so your last point is in reference to what exactly?

          • MiZTiiX

            I have no clue which comments you are referring to of mine so i’ve not been replying to you but i will go with the information you have given me. Gameplay ans graphics are important to you equally okay you’re a minority, which the new expansion textures have been improved significantly and you hardly see any blocky objects. GW2 graphics are of a realistic style, clearly.

          • Odeezee

            dude please go and educate yourself on what constitutes GRAPHICS and what what constitutes AESTHETICS, because we cannot even have a discussion is you do not even know the subject matter. on top of that, do NOT try and act like you can speak on behalf of gamers like you have spoken to them or have some empirical data to back up your claims, hence when i gave you a different point of view i gave my own and did not assume i have the authority or knowledge to speak on behalf of the gaming population.

          • MiZTiiX

            Oh ok dude you are trying to argue that GW2 hasn’t got realistic graphics? maybe you should take a closer look because clearly they are realistic looking.

          • MiZTiiX

            WTF IM SAYING GW2 DOES HAVE REALISTIC GRAPHICS AND THE OTHER GUY IS SAYING IT DOESN’T

          • Old Ben

            > realistic graphics get outdated so fast.

            Yeah, when I look at old photos they just look fake.

          • MiZTiiX

            WOW that is the most stupid comeback i have EVER heard in my life. Does real life get updated to look better? NO because real life isn’t graphics. As gaming progresses, graphics get improved even more, its happening so rapidly these days so games that came out a year ago look noticeably worse than current games, wheres a unique art style will stay unique for much longer.

          • Old Ben

            > Does real life get updated to look better? NO

            In other words, you’re supporting my point. If the graphics are realistic (in other words, if they look like “real life”), they can’t get “outdated quickly” because real life doesn’t get updated to look better. 

          • MiZTiiX

            so you are comparing GW2 graphics to looking almost like real life? um…no game is even close to that yet. Graphics will always be imrpoving we are not even close to it looking like real life. If graphics are upgrading so rapidly then gw2 graphics will get old rapidly

          • Old Ben

            I didn’t even mention GW2, and AFAIK GW2 isn’t even trying to be “realistic”. Characters glow, shaders make distant objects look painted, etc.. 

          • Old Ben

            > one of the bigger complaints during BWE1,
            > 2 and 3 was the low quality graphics.

            Where and from whom, exactly?

            Low performance, yes (mostly fixed in BWE3, although some systems still have issues and there’s still room for optimization). 

            But, in terms of visual detail, GW2 on par with Rift / Aion / Tera (slightly lower polygon counts but much less copy-paste), and it has a far more consistent and distinctive art style.

            One of the main complaints in the official forums was the lack of a 1st person PoV, because you come across screenshot-worthy material every two minutes.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Caswell/631559369 Jason Caswell

            Performance and graphics are not the same thing.  I specifically said lower quality graphics.  Nothing about performance.

            As for where and who, the forums during the BWEs.  I don’t agree with most of the opinions about the graphics being lower quality, but that doesn’t change that many people were posting about it.  It was one of the Top 5 Topics, in fact.

            As for first person PoV, that was hardly mentioned on the forums.  There was one thread during BWE2, and two during BWE3.  There were none during BWE1.

          • Old Ben

            > As for where and who, the forums during the BWEs. 

            I must have been reading different forums, then. Like I said, I saw lots of threads about performance issues, none about the graphics being “low quality”.

            >  It was one of the Top 5 Topics, in fact.

            I must really have been reading different forums, because the ones I saw didn’t have any kind of semantic analysis to measure the “top topics” that people were discussing.

            > As for first person PoV, that was hardly mentioned on the forums.

            I’m starting to wonder if you were reading forums about some different game…

            > There was one thread during BWE2, and two
            > during BWE3. There were none during BWE1.

            Okay, I’m no longer wondering. 

            I personally posted two threads about camera issues in the official forum during BWE1 (one in the bugs forum, the other in the suggestions forum), and in both dozens of people mentioned the lack of 1st person view as one of the their main complaints (along with the lack of a FoV slider and the limited distance, plus a few other issues). And my threads weren’t even the biggest ones about those issues. 

      • Ian Mansfield

        all a matter of taste my friend, personally the pandas are way to cartoony, thats just WoWs style, Cartoon…. I prefer the Charrs much more serious and detailed models.

        • MMO_Doubter

          They don’t look serious when they are running on all fours. They look ridiculous.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      The Pandarian Monks do look amazing.  The detail, the movement and combat, they stand up to any high fantasy.

      • Old Ben

        If your fantasy is to watch a fat Gene Simmons dance, anyway. That’s a “high” fantasy indeed…

        • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

          hahaha.  Apparently Gene Simmons is a pretty good dancer.  He actually would be a good choice for the WoW what do you play commercials.  Gene Simmons he plays a Warlock.  You know Gene will negotiate the rights to sell a mini-Gene Simmons demon pet and will sell 1m copies the first day.    

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ITHF7XKYGVXFAPCDMDJTKHLBBU Lian Wan

       I don’t know about the panda but the GW2 side is concept art.

  • Old Ben

    Only trolls and terminal fanboys can think that a patch with no new content will keep people so busy for a whole month that they won’t be aware of GW2′s launch. 

    This has nothing to do with players and everything to do with the press.

    Blizzard is just trying to prevent GW2 from completely dominating the news on that day. Releasing the patch ensures they get at least a small article on the front page about the talent trees from beta being applied to the live servers. 

    But pretty much every news site will have access to GW2 on the 25th, which means Arena Net still gets solo coverage during the weekend (and Monday). After that, GW2 will ride mainly on player opinion, not press coverage, so squeezing into the news on the 28th is too little too late. And (even if it isn’t) it comes across as a reaction, which means Blizzard is letting Arena Net dictate their schedule.

    Blizzard has been two months behind everyone else, this year. They managed to recover a bit, but they still fell short by three days on the last chance they had.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      The destruction of Theramore is not new content?     It will be interesting to see how Blizzard handles the gameplay around the Horde invasion of  Theramore.  Hoping for some world gameplay, that allows for players to control when Theramore is destroyed.  How quickly can the Horde players trigger the invasion that leads to the destruction of Theramore.   How long can the Alliance delay the Horde attack until Theramore is overrun.  “Remember Theramore!”     

      • Old Ben

        > The destruction of Theramore is not new content?

        And that will be there on the 28th, will it?

        Even if it was, the patch doesn’t allow access to higher character levels or (more importantly) higher gear ilevels. Those are the only things 99% of the current player base cares about, as you know.

  • Josh Rosenvelt

    lol at my gaming store there is 1 person that has pre ordered MoP so far, I asked the guy why is this and he said that people have lost faith in blizzard esp after diablo 3 and cata. Over 350 people have pre ordered gw2 so we get to have a midnight launch. MoP will be the first blizzard product that wont be having a midnight launch in our area. 

    I am sorry to say but BC and ulduar was when wow peaked, goodluck to everyone who is going to be playing MoP and facerolling hc dungeons and the entire raiding content in LFR. It just makes everything so meaningless.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      Good to hear about the 350 pre-orders.  Have not heard any buzz around local stores and GW2. I’m going to have to ask.   The GW2 midnight release is going to be odd, will you really have a million players already in the game.   Could your guilds server already be full by the midnight release. 

      Cata didn’t have much of a midnight release either, it sold 3.3 million copies in 24 hours.
      .

      • Old Ben

        No, it sold 3.3 million copies during the entire pre-order period.

  • Samilee Poppy

    This is a pretty common practice for Blizzard. But how many of us, myself included were super excited about diablo 3 and got crushed by the terrible server issues. So ultimately play what you want, support what company you want. I know that i will always support arenanet as they support me as a gamer. We get heaps of stress tests to test the servers, not enough of this was done for Diablo 3. So Wow expansion come all you want. Games are choice. This will not affect Guild Wars 2. This ultimatley will not affect me as a player as i have made my choice……GW2.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Filip-Buhov/1379207683 Filip Buhov

    Soo on the 25th there will be like 2 types of mmo players ?

    The pre-purchase ones , and the ones watching the pre-purchase ones’s streams xD
    It’s normal for blizzard to do this , they have been doing this thing since the old days. The thing is  blizzard is on too many fronts atm  with d3 , blizz dota , “titan” , sc2 and activision doing shit market fails. As a vanilla player , I can say that the lore in warcraft is slowly turning into a pile of stinking dog … food and gw2 has the potencial of a high fantasy masterpiece. And overall wow fanboys are more agresive towards gw2 players , wich can mean only one thing :))

    • Josh Rosenvelt

      MoP is going to cater for 8 – 12 year old playerbase even though the age restriction is 12. This is why the entire game is being dumbed down and you don’t need a guild to clear the content now, because 8 year olds won’t fit in very well with a guild schedule.

      • http://www.facebook.com/wilco.d Wilco Duijnhouwer

         I cannot fathom a way that 8 year olds will have enough income to play WoW, unless spoiled rotten by parents, which should be shot :)

        As for life streaming on the 25th… This is pre-launch, there is probably not a whole bunch of peoply willing to mess with their bandwidth for the first day the horde of preps get access :P maybe a recorded vid with fraps ;)

        • ArsenicSundae

          I think there are going to be a lot of live streams.  Some folks are even setting up live “pre-game” shows, while they wait for servers to go live.  Blizzard isn’t seriously trying to steal players from GW2 with the patch timing, they’re trying to steal press.  For the first time, they’re going feel what it’s like to get steamrolled in the media.

          • MMO_Doubter

             Unlike SWTOR’s release?

      • MiZTiiX

        In GW2 you don’t need a guild for anything, not even for legendaries. guess you comment backfired?

        • Odeezee

          how has the comment backfired? he is talking about WoW NOT GW2! WoW has a completely different design philosophy behind it as well as very different game systems and mechanics, so what works for GW2 does not translate well into what’s good for WoW.

        • MiZTiiX

          which comment are you referring to? and why do you keep using “back fired” as if you just only learned the meaning of the word?

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

            Did you just argue with yourself? Holy hell that has got to be the biggest troll fail I’ve ever seen. What? Did you forget to change accounts when setting that up?

          • MiZTiiX

            wow dude you are trying wayy to hard to start a convo with me, its cool dude I know you love me but dont spam me with replies i won’t read

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z36GPOU3Q2QIQYBIDVNQAVGNGE Raul

        “MoP is going to cater to Chinese 12 year old playerbase”

        *Fixed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jason.jenkins.73 Jason Jenkins

    theres no way this patch could compete with gw2 and blizz knows that to me thats not what its for anyway.  both blizz and arena net know that the majority of their preorders are in by now so just about everyone thats going to get gw2 has gotten it with only a few more waiting till launch day or there after for funds releated reasons.  this patch is nothing more then a tide me over for those people who have made up their minds to not buy gw2 so blizz is giving them a little something to do on the day all their old wow buddies who are now gw2 buddies start screaming at them to buy gw2…kinda silly to me to think that a patch that suffles a few interface items around and kicks off a short launch event is actually going to be a threat to gw2 sales :P

    • MiZTiiX

      Lol this isn’t about the patch mate. MoP released a month after GW2. All wow players i know are using that game as a filler for when MoP comes out, then they return to WOW. 

  • Randall_Wolfcry

    Blizzard is grasping for life as it sinks into the grave. They should’ve used all their money to hire quality over quantity. With the success of WoW, Blizzard will have nothing to blame but themselves if they go under. They had/have all the money, but they didn’t put it to good use investing in creative minds.

    Blizzard had three great games: Warcraft 2, Starcraft, Diablo 2. They haven’t made a creative game since. Just remakes of their past successes. Once the new IP ‘Titan’ comes out, everyone will understand how uncreative and shoddy the current Blizzard is when it can’t stand on the back of past games.

    • MMO_Doubter

      I think that theory about Titan is probably correct. However, it IS possible that all the ‘A” talent is working on Titan and it
      will be very impressive.

      With Blizzard’s shift to greed and carebear design, I doubt if it will pull me back.

      • Josh Rosenvelt

        Yeah Titan might be dumbed down from the get go like wow is now but everything Jeff Kaplan and team did back in BC was reward skill and effort, if he’s allowed to design a game without inteference from above (which is unlikely) then you will have a great game for gamers again.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Case/100003772398650 Justin Case

           can’t wait for titan!2020,here we come!!!
          /sarcasm

        • http://www.facebook.com/fredrik.gardsio Fredrik Fronken Gardsiö

           Not sure you actually played WoW during TBC, because you seem to miss the fact that it was then they shot themselfs in the foot, and it’s from that point on they haven’t been able to recover.

          What i’m talking about is the patch in which they lowered All boss/mob health/damage by 30%, thereby making the game accessible to all the idiots who couldn’t be arsed to actually do what they had to do, but instead just wanted to stand still and press buttons very fast.

          The game got turned to shit in 1 patch, taking away all actual challenge and making it so that instead of skill, all you needed was alot of time to waste in order to get the best things.

          Only actual effort they have put into WoW in order to try and save it was at Cataclysm launch, where they had actually challenge in their heroics and dungeons, but guess what, they pussied out on that as well and nerfed it to shit so all the kids could farm them to oblivion…

          • MMO_Doubter

            They killed challenge and skill in PvE when they added AOE tanking. Removing the need for crowd control, so everyone just spammed their AOE damage spells.

          • Josh Rosenvelt

            The difference is titles like Hand of adal was removed if you downed the content after the nerf patch. It was a once off nerf at the end of the expansion aswell, like 3 weeks before release of WOLTK. The point is your efforts for clearing BC content was rewarded with titles that you can never obtain again. Light of Dawn says hi. That’s the difference mate!

            Also intellectuals in the community were disgusted that blizzard made 10s and 25s equal, how fair is that? Look at what happened to 25 man raiding guilds in cata, these large guilds were the foundations of realm communities. Look at realms where 25 man raiding is still thriving, like Kazzak EU, very healthy realm as a result.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z36GPOU3Q2QIQYBIDVNQAVGNGE Raul

            My favorite was putting all of the Rare Tames for firelands within sight of eachother, or right over the fp.

            Sheer genius, that.Not lazy at all.
            Nope.

    • Josh Rosenvelt

      Mate the dev lead for Titan is Jeff Kaplan, he is the most creative dev in blizzard when it came to wow, hence the reason why he was put on Titan and why wow pve has gone downhill since uldaur which was the last raid he made decisions on.

      • Randall_Wolfcry

         Unfortunately for Blizzard, the MORE creative devs split off and created ArenaNet from scratch, and now just a decade later ArenaNet’s quality team is outshining it’s older brother so much that Blizzard has to base it’s release dates around ArenaNet’s release dates to try and get a tiny upper edge.

        Dunno much about Jeff Kaplan. He wasn’t there for the games that made Blizzard famous. Says he joined in 2002. Can’t  bash on the guy since I don’t know his work, but I doubt one dude can change the huge ugly face of Blizzard and all the shareholders it’s tied up in.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Caswell/631559369 Jason Caswell

          Wasn’t around for the games that Blizzard famous?  You may not be aware, but many people didn’t know who Blizzard was when WoW launched.  Many gamers did, but there was still a large number that did not.  WoW brought Blizzard’s name into mainstream view.  Jeff Kaplan is one of the main reasons that WoW was so popular.

          • Randall_Wolfcry

            Mainstream = fast food. WoW isn’t good, it’s junk food that can appeal to wide customer base. It was good business, but bad game development. [/zombiereply]

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z36GPOU3Q2QIQYBIDVNQAVGNGE Raul

          Don’t forget Mark Kern (Former Wow Team Lead), and the other Devs that left Blizz to go with Him to Create Firefall.

  • Ian Mansfield

    To be honest I cant see this really working for Blizzard in anyway shape or form, yea it might pull a few people off GW2 initially but then really its not giving that space where people might get tired of GW2 (impossible but some people idk) to say “well now we wait for MoP”, since they will both be out, they will be compared side by side. That’s a bad thing for blizzard in this case. Not to mention this just looks desperate and shows the already known truth about how ….(cant think of a good word to describe it… not exactly greedy, not quite uncreative, but like where they are just updating to copy their competors and cheaply at that, then slabing their name brand on it to stay afloat, which since ANet is already a well establish yet fairly underdog company they are going to have trouble with ( who cant love A-Net they are like the awesome we care about you guys atm sure it will change in time but still they have always proven to be a consumer favorite especially compared to blizzard)) Business Selfish they are… but who would willingly watch theyre cash crop wither.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/536K5RE47JLPRX7HPA6KKNBR3U vanners

      This is where you are wrong.  Since Blizzard is incapable of launching a game like Diablo III without having server meltdown, their ploy is really to ensure less people hit pandaria on day one than they would otherwise and thus avoid the meltdown.  The few who aren’t playing GW2 on the 28th will have a better experience as a result – no bad rep caused by another failure to deliver hot on the heels of Diabl-oops.

      My question is, with ArenaNet surprising almost everyone with a short leadtime between announcement and going live, is this Blizzard date a matter of “… when it’s NOT ready”?

      • http://www.facebook.com/wilco.d Wilco Duijnhouwer

         Well in regards to server meltdown, I prefer the approach A-net is taking, by giving pre-purchase 3 days early access, pre-order 2 days and launch day for those that get it then. Instead of, you know, relying on the release of any other game that happens to come out.

        And well, I have played Diablo III and that game was a mess of glitches and problems with logging in for a week before they sorted it out. For those of you that play WoW, have a great error day on the 28th :P

  • Lynx Raven Raide

    ambushed my ass, that was telegraphed the moment they said the release date was 9/25

  • Vince Ludovico

    Is Blizzard releasing patches and expansions on other MMOs release dates even news anymore?

    • David Swan

      no, but it is one of the many reasons why I, personally, don’t like Blizzard anymore.  

  • Josh Rosenvelt

    It would be awesome if Arenanet could get them back by saying GW2 would be released in China on the 28th September. “Suprise Announcement”

  • http://twitter.com/justQQing Brian Day

    I for one dont care i will not give them any more of my money hell its not on ptr its not all been tested in beta there selling you a game thats not ready and all the bliz sheepoeple will love it its like watching a lode of brainwashed  monkeys

    • MiZTiiX

      How is the game not ready were you fired from the dev team and now all butt hurt? Also its funny because i keep thinking of GW2 fanboys as brainwashed monkey, preaching about how “good” gw2 is and how its the ?”savior” of MMOS. Constantly throwing money at Arenanet while they laugh at you. Take a good look around brother.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

        You mean like all the WoW fanboys constantly throwing money at Blizzard and getting nothing to show for it? When was your last content patch again? And just how much money did you pay in sub fees for all of that non-content?

  • Corros

    Thank you Blizzard for trying to help out ANET and lighten their server loads. In the end for ANET Launch numbers don’t mean all that much. It’s 100% about the numbers of players you can pull 2+ months post launch. If WoW really wanted to “hurt” ANET they would have launched MoP in the Holiday time frame.

    • MMO_Doubter

      When you are selling a box, but no suibs, launch numbers matter a hell of a lot.

      • Corros

        Yes they do need their box sales but i still stand by my statment because the longevity of the games success will prove more profitable. I dont know the actual numbers but im more then possitve that WoW has had far more profit from box sales over the years than at launch. Im just pointing out that a huge rush at the begining that dies out fast isnt always a good way to go(swtor) You are better off building up your player base rather then lumping them all in at launch and hoping for the best down the road. Many new gamers quit simply because of the over loaded communities and server issues during a games launch. In the end i dont see MoP effecting GW2 all that much due to prerelease and other small factors.

  • BossFi

    IMO this is good news for GW2. Instead of having everyone joining GW2 at the same time, a big influx of players will come later, after they have had their MoP fix.

    • Kevin Ritchie

      Hasnt all wow players had their MoP fix? its been on beta servers for like a year…

      • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

        That is something I’ve honestly never understood; why would anyone still be excited about MoP? I’m not saying it is bad of course, just that it has been playable the whole way through for so long now that I can’t understand why people are still excited, it seems to me that at this point all of the “new” would have been worn off long ago.

        Of course there is the fact that now they can do it and make it count, but that sort of thing would turn me away from the game. “Okay, now I can replay all of that same content again!” Maybe it is just me, but that is one of the reasons I left WoW in the first place; too repetitive.

    • MiZTiiX

      actually its the opposite. Everyone will be playign GW2 the month before it released then they will play MoP. For many wow players, GW2 is just a filler 

      • Odeezee

        LMFAO, too funny. i like your sense of humor man.

  • http://twitter.com/viion Josh Freeman

    Everyone has already prepurchased so launch of GW2 means nothing, as everyones paid already  XD

    • Avaloner31

       I havent and don’t intend to. Then again I have not intenions of playing WOW either so meh.

      • Kevin Ritchie

        nice of you to read and comment on something you know or care nothing about.

        meh

    • MiZTiiX

      Yh you have but many haven’t. I know many who were planning to then jumped into beta and realized the game was not hyped up to be what it was

  • Joey Rizzolo

    People can hate all they want, all Blizzard did was make a brilliant business choice. It is for this prime example why they are who they are. This is not the first time Blizzard has done this. Thats why regardless of what people say, they continue to win. I for one will play both games as will alot of people.

    • Kevin Ritchie

       all Blizzard did was make a brilliant business choice
      Just like 20% that hate even the idea of MoP being a wow sellout/last grab for new players, they have lost 2.1m subs in just under a year this is without GW2 or other games being out to play.

      No excuses any more wow is in serious decline not because of other games, its because they are milking the same old cow – the milk dont stay sweet forever, its time they move on.

  • Diequex

    Why are people so defensive about videogames? All the insults and entitled demeanor is kind of hilarious, since it’s all so trivial.

    As for the article; not surprised and really dgaf. On the 25-28th I will be playing a game I have been waiting for, whether or not people who play  WoW decide not to log on the 28th does not matter to me. 

  • http://twitter.com/crusadernero Crusadernero

    I cant believe all the ignorant comments here… “Wow is dying no one is playing it”.. well, 9 million people are.

    “omg does blizzard believe a patch can outdo gw2?” No they dont. This is a pre event patch, something that happens before every expansion.

    “omg its on same date as gw2 launch, Blizzard is desperate. No one is playing wow now”. Wrong, many are playing wow. When it comes to release date for pre patch, we already know the date for MoP. Therefore 28th August is really not a bad date for them anyway.

    I remember back when the swtor fanboys flooded the forums everywhere hating on wow no matter what Blizzard did or didnt do. Now its the GW2 fanboys(who also are wow haters) who flood the forums. Im sorry to say, that the gw2 fanboys are much worse.

    When I read these comments I wonder if some of you got forced to play wow since it came out 20 hours a day. That you never really enjoyed playing wow but you just had to. Face it. WoW is a popular game and will stay popular for a long time, wheter you hate it or not. It’s not dying. Realise that having 9 million subs in a game is good.

    Also realise that GW2 will be a good game that many of us will enjoy. Some more than other. At this point us gamers dont need to care about the weather outside or anything else come 28th august and september, since we can travel into two amazing worlds and have fun.

    No one knows how popular GW2 will be. We know they will sell good at launch, no one knows how it will be 1 year later.

    • Luis Sanhudo

      Its true that we dont know how GW will be 1 year from now, but you can also know that in this exact moment WoW only has 6-7 million subs active, not 9, you can check wow wiki for that, they wouldnt lie about their own game. I say “only” cause they alredy had mre than 12M subs. 
      WoW will always be a great game for me, but it will die sooner or later, with GW maybe sooner.

      • http://twitter.com/crusadernero Crusadernero

        Sure, at this point wow will have fewer subs than usual. I would be surprised if they gained subs or had same numbers as they had 6 months ago. We are at the end of a xpac and people have done most of the things you can do. So people get bored, sub of for a while and return when new stuff comes out. I understand that people do so, no reason to pay money if you are not going to play:) 

        • Odeezee

          ok i’ll bite, what do you say about the OTHER 2.1 million subs lost prior to the “end of expansion fatigue” after the launch of Cata then?

    • http://twitter.com/pimpaljoentje Harald Boterman

      wow is ‘dying’…as in slowly deminishing in ‘active’ players…. but is this a bad thing? Wow has had it’s days, and it was great in it’s prime, but face it… after so many years it is about time the gaming industrie came up with something new… something more ‘advanced’…
      Now I’m not saying GW2 is that, but it certainly is the right step forward..  I always say, NO game is meant to be played forever… I play games to have fun, if it stopped beeing fun it’s time to move on… Or do YOU still ride your great great granddad’s car to work?

    • Old Ben

      > no one is playing it”.. well, 9 million people are.

      Not quite. There were 9 million active subscriptions. Of those, >60% are from China, where subscriptions are measured in hours, not months. And, in the West, a lot of people have more than one account, and a lot of subscribers don’t actually play the game regularly (if at all).

      So no, there aren’t “9 million people” playing it.

      Not that it matters; I wouldn’t play WoW in its current form even if it was free and there were 90 million people playing it. And I’d keep playing Transport Tycoon Deluxe even if I was the only one. People who need to feel part of a big herd probably suffer from a sheep complex.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/536K5RE47JLPRX7HPA6KKNBR3U vanners

      Consider that it isn’t every other MMO that are WoW haters.  Consider
      that perhaps it’s returning fire.  I don’t know how you connected to this chat, but I found it through the GW2 section of Gamebreaker.

  • http://www.facebook.com/harold.jones.9847 Harold Jones

    Makes me no minde, i will be playing GW2, and not WOW’s MOP. That is whats up, in your face bro.

  • Lycronis

    I don’t see why some people feel like this is a big deal. This is nothing new for Blizzard as they have always released a pre-expansion patch a month in advance of the expansion’s release date. This has nothing to do with GW2′s launch in the least. It’s merely a coincidence, nothing more.

    • Luis Sanhudo

      Irony :D our greatest weapond! apart from real weaponds….

    • http://twitter.com/pimpaljoentje Harald Boterman

      I hope you’re a real wow fan boy, if not… well…  doesn’t take much thought to clearly see there is no such thing as ‘coincidence’ in company policy… Blizzard new up front that when they put release date of MoP on 09/25 the patch day would fall 1 month in advance… do the math… so, result: they waited for GW2 to come out with their release day only to counter it shortly afterwards… and they knew they would do that months in advance…. or shortly after GW2 came out with a releasedate…

      • Lycronis

         No, I’m not a WoW fan boy. People are making this out to be more than it really is. People that are playing WoW are going to continue to do so regardless of any other game, GW2 included. Besides, most people that are still playing WoW will also play GW2 for the simple fact that they only have to pay for a subscription for one of them and the initial purchase for the other.

        P.S. I stopped playing WoW about two months after Cata and I don’t plan on going back as long as there is a subscription. I just don’t feel it’s worth paying a sub for anymore and I really don’t like the direction they have taken the game. Now GW2, on the other hand, is exactly the game I’ve been looking forward to so I could really care less what Blizzard does with WoW at this point.

  • Lediath

    This seems a little devious, but hey business is business.  I think most people that plan on playing GW2 at launch have already bought the game so, they will get at least a 1 day head start.  So in actuality, it really won’t matter all that much. 
     
    The only people that this really influences are current WoW players that were planning to check out GW2 on release but haven’t made the leap yet (a rather small demographic).  Blizzard is hoping that w/ the new patch they won’t hemorage as many subs to GW2 during the initial launch, and that MoP will do the rest on 9/25.
     

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/WZ324KCWGCMJENR2ZFFTCK3QP4 Blaze

    Blizzard is known for being grimmie ask Jason West and Vince Zampella.  After the way they played those two guys im never playing an activision/blizzard game again there crooks they only care about how much money they can stuff in there wallets.

    • Lycronis

       Blizzard had nothing to do with West and Zampella, that was the Activision side. Hence the name Activision/Blizzard.

      • Kevin Ritchie

        Activision basically runs blizzard now so all the eggs now come from the same basket 

        • http://www.facebook.com/kurt.schafer Kurt Schafer

          I thought eggs came from chickens…

          If you look on a calendar, you will see that the 28th is the closest ‘Patch Tuesday’ to the one month ‘pre-patch’ that we ALWAYS see prior to an expansion.

          • http://twitter.com/pimpaljoentje Harald Boterman

            I thought chickens came from eggs…

  • http://www.facebook.com/krister.holmberg Krister Holmberg

    Not a surprising move from Blizzard they have done this in the past also by releasing content patches when other mmo launches etc.

    Hopefully it backfires a bit on them this time as they need some sort of kick in the behind to stop going on auto-pilot.

  • matraque

    Nice one Blizzard.   Show them who is the MMO King.

    • Kevin Ritchie

      Show them who is the ‘Former’ MMO King.

      *Fixed*

      • http://www.facebook.com/kparrott Kimberly Parrott

        Because yours is FTP lol

    • http://www.facebook.com/kparrott Kimberly Parrott

      They are the only ones who are subscription based and can maintain that….GW2 could never keep a sub. base like WoW sorry lol

      • http://www.facebook.com/osiris.neits Osiris Neits

        That’s ok- you keep paying your $180 a year for 2 content patch’s (if you’re lucky, it’ll be 9 months of nothing when this patch goes live) As far as showing them who’s king, I would say it shows that Blizz has a much more realistic idea of how much of a threat GW2 actually poses them than a lot of their fans.

        • Old Ben

          If they want to pay $150 to rent their own characters for 10 months with no new content, I say let them. It’s morally wrong to let suckers keep their own money; I’m sure Blizzard will make better use of it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R35J5EUERGS3E6JRIQMBCDTRRY Nathan I

    it’s to be expected. From a business standpoint it’s a really good move by them to confront a potential challenger before that challenger builds up strength.

    • Odeezee

      ummm, isn’t it a little too late though…you know with the whole pre-purchase thing that GW2 is doing? /shrug

  • SiderFace

    I love watching Blizzard writhe in fear.

    After Diablo 3 fail-boat-sandwich, all they got left are genuine gaming addicts. Gamers looking for a quality experience, challenge, tactics, modern graphics, and player fairness will no longer be supporting Blizzard.

    Notice i referred to the players supporting Blizzard.  Blizzard is the first company to have coined the phrase “supporting our players”.  Before them it was referred to as “releaseing a patch”.  Blizzard looked at their player base like they are peasantly cattle begging for the PRIVILEGE to paly their game… funy part is… it WORKED.  Just like everything else in the world.  Treat them like shit half the time, and then when you treat them good for a change, they will worship you for it.
    The simpletons get comfort from being TOLD how they are going to play.  Choosing how you want to play (spend your time) requires the TINY effort of thinking for a second.  Thinking is more effort than most gamers would like to contribute.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kenneth.meagher1 Kenneth Meagher

       Starcraft 2 is their only good Accomplishment and that is pushing it

      • SiderFace

        You’re right.
        Starcraft 2 did a great job of fine tuning a very “classic” RTS format.  Very smooth play and excellent controls (except the single choice for mouse screen panning).
        On a very strict scale, I give SC2 a 7.5/10.  So VERY good.

        However, I still will always see Blizzard in the same light as Apple:  Although it seems like it at times, neither of them have really innovated anything.  Even when you think they have, do the research and you’ll be shocked.

        • http://www.facebook.com/kenneth.meagher1 Kenneth Meagher

           That i have to agree. With Guild Wars 2 coming out their getting sloppy with updates and content for all their games. I played wow for a years worth, never got far cause i got bored, only did it to get diablo 3 for free and even that game totally sucked so atm im looking forward to GW2 so

          • SiderFace

            I’m just glad that Arenanet was seemingly able to maintain patience in their development.  Seems to be a common trait amongst the very best developers right now; patience, and effort in the tedious details.
            They seem to gauge their level of urgency more so on their audience/fans, rather than the market swings or the competition’s plans.

    • Josh Rosenvelt

      I like the fact you mentioned player fairness, they really gave a middle finger to GMs and officers of 25 man raiding guilds when they decided to make 10s equal.

      • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

        Most of the GM and officers I spoke with were happy, they didn’t have to coordinate both 25 and 10 man raids.   If you wanted to run a 25 man raid guild, they could run 25 man raids, without having to also coordinate 10 man raids.

        If they were happy with 10 man raids, they didn’t feel they had to run 25 man raids to get gear for their core 10 man group.

        • http://twitter.com/QuietNine Quiet

          making it so that raid lockouts were easier to coordinate was an improvement, but making 10mans are easier than and equally rewarding as 25mans has drastically reduced the number of 25man guilds on almost every server and really watered down the raiding community. 25man guilds are a rare thing now, and that is a bad thing.

    • MiZTiiX

      “Gamers looking for quality experience” pretty sure many still enjoy WOW. “challenge” heroic raids are there. “tactics” yup raid tactics are in WOW something gw2 lacks without the trinity, bosses are just zerg fests and the ony tactics are button mashing. “modern graphics” the fact that 10million players are still playing WOW means gamers are not looking for modern graphics. In fact modern graphics tend to get out dated super fast. 

      • CP

        I really like it when people still use the “WoW has 10 million players” argument when everyone knows that 8.9 million of those are from Asia and 80% of that number are money farmers. WoW has 1 Million players, only slightly higher than SWTOR. Think on that and weep.

        • MiZTiiX

          I really like it when people say wrong facts like you. First off all the Asian market is the smallest of WOW, get your facts right. Second of all I’d love to know where you get your information that 9million are goldfarmers because clearly that wouldn’t make sense seen as most of the people ion your realms interact with you whereas a gold farmer woulden’t. Also think about it, 9million, really? you’re dumb enough to pull facts like that out of your ass? if there were 9million gold farmers and one million players then 8.8 million  of them would be out of work seen as there would be too many goldfarmers  for each player and if you think realistically, not all players would buy gold so that would lead to there being only about 200-100k or less if there were actually 1million legit players. AHA yh i think you should re-evaluate your theory buddy

  • Kevin Ritchie

    Lets be honest, any real gw2 fans wont be starting playing from the 28th….WoW/blizzard has no chance in competing with gw2 it can only attempt to hinder be giving goodies to hardcore wow fans who still play it.

    And really we dont want them in gw2 to whine all day anyways

    • MiZTiiX

      WOW doesn’t need to compete with GW2, what does GW2 have that WOW players are looking for? mmm….no raids, no gear progression, no mounts, zerg fest dungeons….ugh i don’t see anything. Also the fact that you think the wow community is bad makes you a hypocrite. The GW2 community ( the fan boys ) is the most ignorant, stuck up community of any mmo

      • SiderFace

        I suppose if that’s what you want, then good on you :D

        I just don’t think alot of the GW2 fans on this particular forum space are going value that type of online experience.
        I am a very attention-oriented player.  I like awareness and proficient judgement to be king.  I’m not into out-of-action gameplay as much.  I like preset stats to a point, but i certainly don’t want them to be the primary effect of my character: armors, runes, and any other stat pre-serts.
        For instance, I think even League of Legends is already lagging behind Dota 2 in the competitive scene because of things like Runes/masteries.  They serve very little gameplay purpose, as one or MAYBE two outcomes become the known “best” layouts/builds.
        While they do still have passice.non-action elements in GW and GW2, they are a VERY minor effect on the outcome of the game.  In GW1, max level was reached at around 1/3 progress through the campaign, and max level is granted innately to an PvP character.  This means that developing the PROCESS (the in game actions) are what define the palyer and his skill level.

        Pretend your playing basketball.  Yes, there are predetermined BEST ways to shoot the basketball taht give the BEST chance to make the shot.  But go on ahead and try to make this 3-pointer…  not easy.  The ACTION is nearly impossible to describe, but its difficulty and the player’s approach to dealing with the inhibited goal, will define the players of skill/lacking.

      • http://www.facebook.com/osiris.neits Osiris Neits

        I love this argument- For the most part, what I see in this thread is a lot of WoW fans screaming “GW2 sux lolz WoW will pwn u nubs!!1! “, and a bunch of GW2 fans offering logical arguments about why they prefer GW2. So, tell me which community is ignorant  and stuck up again?

        • MMO_Doubter

          Both, of course.

          “My tribe is better than YOUR tribe.”

          There is no reason or objectivity to it.

        • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

          GW2 fans. The GW2 fans can’t seem to display any critical thinking and recognize any risks with GW2 game design.

          The starting zones in GW2 are zergfests. Arenanet wiped the characters once and introduced two now starting areas, instead of public testing higher level content. 

          Arenanet has released only one dungeon for public testing, and wiped the character base when a significant number of players where going to hit the level cap to run the Dungeon. 

          The first dungeon is level 30, doesn’t that just seem odd.  Most MMOs release content, that actually requires coordination much earlier. 

          Looking forward to WvW, but it does seem the winning strat is to zerg all the control points and reinforce the walls/build siege engines, so strong points can be defended by a small number of players. 

          During an episode of Legendary, a viewer provided a copy of his arena team ranking.  It was amazing watching the hosts shut up and intently study his arena numbers.   I cant wait for that to happen during GamebreakerTV Buildcast show. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

            Clearly you are an outsider looking in when it comes to the GW2 community. As someone deeply inside I can tell you that the vast majority of us are all former players of other MMOs, including WoW, and have been burned more than once by f2p games. In short we’re as or more jaded than MMO_Doubter, and we are far, far more critical of EVERYTHING about it than you have been. We just don’t troll the forums with baseless BS. We try (I said try…) to stay objective.

            The reason we all seem to do little more than praise the game is because after some hands on time there is little to complain about, and the reason we trust Arena Net is because that trust has been earned through GW1 and their handling of GW2′s development so far. For example when they first announced transmutation stones we raised hell about them being in the cash shop, now they’re in-game for free. When they announced loot bags in the cash shop we raised hell and now they’ve been removed. When they announced the sylvari we complained about them being generic painted humans, now they’ve had a massive redesign.

            Arena Net, nor Guild Wars 2, is perfect of course, but unlike just about every other developer at least they listen to the community and seem to actually put a lot of work into keeping us happy. After all, we’re not stupid and we won’t support a game that isn’t worth it. That is a lesson we have all learned the hard way, and that is the reason we’ve left other games.

        • MiZTiiX

          If you read my comment i said FANBOYS, is it big enough for you FANBOYYYYYSSSSS. Also yes every video i go to is “GW2 PLAY GW2 NOT THIS SHIT, GW2 WILL OWN ALL GAMES” that’s not even on wow related stuff aswell just any MMO videos in general. Gw2 FANBOYS have been pissing off many communities and is not giving a good reputation for the community as a whole I’m affraid Also i don’t know where you see wow players shouting GW2 sucks because i ahven’t seen wow players bash other games since wrath, for the most part they all seen to have given up because they know that there isn’t a game that is a threat to WOW

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

            You must not watch very many videos for other MMOs on youtube then….

      • Bo Fernatt

        Actually have to comment on this, was snickering while reading the forum here.  First of all its the fans the compare the two games its the fans of individual games that go for blood.  Its fans that say one game is better than the other or (game killer) blah blah blah.  Arenanet has never said we are making this game to take down the MMO giant that is WoW.  What Mike O’brian did say is he wants GW2 to have the king title.  Meaning he doesnt expect to do away with WoW he just wants to see GW2 have the title of being the most played MMO on the market.

        There will always be die hard fans for each game.  There will be die hard fans for WoW until the flip the switch and turn the servers off Im sure.  What astounds me is how defensive people get in forums with very little knowledge of what they are arguing over.  I mean I have played WoW since BC and yes I have had my fair share of good times but its gotten old over the years, and there is many things that Blizz seems to no longer care about.  So I have moved on I have played all beta’s stress tests and am a avid forum watcher for all things GW2.  What your calling as:
        No Raids – well if you had done a wee bit of research  you would know that the hardcore version of all dungeons in GW2 are setup for people who like to raid.  Meaning the difficulty level is that of a raid.

        No gear Progression – Difference in games GW2 has taken out the gear treadmill and put everyone on a level playing ground.  So now you cant just whip my A** solely based on the fact of having better gear.  Better bring the skills to the table boy cause thats what GW2 is about.

        No mounts – Having mounts means????  What you can fly over huge expanses of the game that make older content irrelevant.  You can see an arial view of the landscape?  Thats the attraction?  To sit on a dragon mount the size of a small building in front of a public mail box totally covering it so it pisses other people off?  Thats the attraction???  Taking a flight from one end of the world to the other literally takes 10 minutes or more in real life?  Thats what your wanting?  No I think if your interested in moving about the world quickly to get to content or do things you want to do… that GW2′s waypoint system has everyone beat hands down.

        Zerg fest Dungeons – I can only assume you watch a youtube video here and there and things looked chaotic to you which you’ve associated the term zerg for.
        Let me point out that this game is new, and thus people are learning things on the fly and do not have the luxury of running a dungeon or raid for the 100th time and can kill everything with precision and speed.  So until GW2 has been out awhile and people have got some experience under the belt you cannot say zerg until then.

        Lastly, the comment of stuck up communities!!!  Ha!  As stated before I have played WoW since BC.  Back in the day WoW was pretty decent but as the years have worn on and the Elitest attitude has become more prevailent WoW community is some of the nastiest, crude talking, smart a**’s I have ever seen in an MMO.  With the attitude that its WoW or nothing attitude.

        So in summary, when in a fight – learn who your enemy (competetion) is and what they can do before jumping to conclusions.  WoW still has its charms but unless Blizz is willing to make changes to keep up with the times.  WoW will slowly die over then next few years.  I can even say that since people werent that satisfied with Cata… that alot hinges on MoP.  If this expansion isnt received well by the almighty WoW community… then you’ll probably see a very large shift coming down the road.

        • MiZTiiX

          Many things to say about your comment 

          1) GW2 put up a tomb stone in their game with WOW on it and mocking it, meaning they do want to kill it, this may of course backfire on them like many other MMOs *cough* “we’re not in Azeroth anymore” *cough*

          2) The GW2 dungeons are absolutely NOTHING like raids. I know many raiders and they are not impressed because the dungeons do not resemble raiding at all. Why? Only 5 players, raiders like to take on challenges with many players from their guild. Also the holy trinity means that many people who loved to be tanks, healers cannot be tanks/healers and are forced into doing DPS. Also, many of them think its a zerg fest, even if people learnt to play their class the way its set up where if you die you can keep running back from the entrance to the boss is zergy no matter what and without the trinity their isn’t any sort of formation e.g DPS near the tank, tank at front, ranged in middle and healers at back. Instead everyone is just in one spot trying to dish out as much damage. And the whole argument that “players will be responsible for themselves” has not been proven to work because if someone is downed, the boss is too hard to take down without that 1 guy so someone has to sacrifice themselves to go and rescue him which could cause in him being downed aswell.

          3) I mentioned their not being gear progression because many people enjoy upgrading their items and seeing much more damage happen. But, there is still a treadmill in GW2 because in PVE gear does have more stats and in WvW but just not in structured PVP. However that’s not enough for some people as the gear doesn’t upgrade significantly. Now you might say that in GW2 the incentive would be to get good looking gear however that is also the case in WOW as you get better gear AND good looking gear so in WOW their really is more replay value.

          4) I didn’t specifically say flying mounts but we will get into that later. I meant ground mounts. Many players just love mounts, they look cool and they also add another level to the game in which you can go and collect cool mounts. This adds EVEN MORE replay value to the game, you cannot argue that it is better to have a constant speed boosts rather than mounts (e.g that speed boost spell in WvW ). Now flying mounts you say decrease exploration, make the world feel small etc etc and i tend to agree but doesn’t the way point system do EXACTLY that? I mean think about it you discover the way-points once then the whole world is accessible via a few clicks. You don’t need to explore in between way-points anymore and it makes the world feel smaller if you can just teleport everywhere, that makes the world feel arguably even smaller than with flying mounts because there is actual travelling time and you are still exploring on a flying mount. Also if you keep way-pointing everywhere you are less likely to encounter players in the world whereas if you were exploring on a mount then you could have encountered someone that maybe needed help and made friends with them.

          5) you mention that the WOW fanboys have gotten worse over the years and I will agree, but judging by the GW2 fanboys i think they are worse. I have not seen much more ignorant gamers ever that spam every video about how GW2 is the best and not giving any game a chance. Its absolutely ridiculous, if GW2 fanboys are THAT bad PRE-RELEASE (because wow community was good at the start) Then how frigging worse can they get? To me that’s nothing compared to the elitist jerks in WOW. NOTE: I am referring to the FANBOYS of GW2 not the normal players

  • http://www.facebook.com/kparrott Kimberly Parrott

    It’s a smart business move and anyone who disagrees is a fool lol….and why are GW2 fanbois commenting on WoW stories anyways?….who cares what you say, obviously you don’t play so move on….QQ stop hiding behind anonmity, post your names :)

    • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.chartrand.5 Daniel Chartrand

      That’s where you are wrong though, most people that are interested in GW2 have come from WoW or some other MMO. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/kparrott Kimberly Parrott

        That’s fine and I know this…they gave up on WoW but some of us haven’t….if people want to play a new MMO go play it, stop bashing WoW….simple as that….i’ve played since BC and still love the game….I play other games, I don’t just dedicate myself to just one game especially if a game is FTP

        • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.chartrand.5 Daniel Chartrand

          I agree WoW was great I played since vanilla and had some of the best times, but in my opinion the amount of content that is in the game has gotten old and they aren’t bringing enough to the table to justify the 15 bucks a month.

    • http://www.facebook.com/osiris.neits Osiris Neits

      You mean the WoW story that has “Guild Wars 2″ in the title? 

    • http://www.facebook.com/annemarie.young.9 Anne-Marie Young

      I would guess the reason for the commenting would be the strange correlation in release dates, as GW 2 announced their date some weeks ago, Blizzard’s selection of a date a full month prior to the expansion going live is more than a touch suspicious.

    • Odeezee

      sad thing is you fail to realize that this story is not news because it’s WoW. this story is news because it involves GW2. i am saddened that you even has to ask why GW2 fans are here and ofc calling them fanbois is a great way to ensure civility.

      as for you smart business move goes, like Blizzard you have forgotten many important things about GW2:

      1. it is B2P AAA not F2P so there is less of a barrier to entry and maintenance than WoW
      2. it has been running a pre-purchase program (i.e. paying for the game in full, upfront)
      3. it is NOT a WoW clone

      so the net effect of their ploy will be negligible if at all. i would not be surprised if the effect actually further pushed players to GW2 with their lack of error 37s and downtime for patches/maintenance

  • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.chartrand.5 Daniel Chartrand

    You scared Blizzard? You should be, Guild Wars 2 basically changed everything that sucked about WoW and made it actually fun. I will give it to Blizzard for keeping WoW running for as long as it has but it has run it’s course and now GW2 is taking it’s place as the best MMO on the market.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kparrott Kimberly Parrott

      YOU have a choice, stop acting like a livid ex-employee pissed off at his employer when you quit your job….so sick of the ranting….EDIT: that’s right the game IS 8 years old, GW2 isn’t, lets see if it lasts that long :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.chartrand.5 Daniel Chartrand

        I’m guessing you haven’t played it since you are still in the mindset that I’m wrong about this. I will leave it at that.

        • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

          Been playing both.  GW2 is fine, but I do find GW2 to be a very anti-social game.   While I do enjoy leveling through the first 30 or so levels (got reset before I hit level 30), I do find the experience to be solo-play with other nameless people around. 

          Ran some sPvP, really hard to tell what the objectives of the match were, didn’t have an emotional tie to winning or losing.  Will be interesting to see if that changes at launch. 

          Looking forward to WvW, but not looking forward to hour or so queues.  

          • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

            An emotional tie to winning? You must not have been in any of the tournaments. Also, the pvp staging area has tutorials on every part of the pvp gameplay that walks you through learning the objectives. Also, Just because you didn’t go out and put effort into getting to know ppl doesn’t mean it’s an antisocial game. The people running around have names, talk to them if you want. 

          • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

            Why, you don’t have to talk to other players to get anything done in the GW2 starting areas.  The only semi-social activity is rezing a downed player. (I do like that mechanic)

            How are the tournament teams doing in GW2?  Haven’t found leaderboards on how the top team did during the last BWE.   Any idea on which team comp and builds did the best during the BWE?

          • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

            Well I tried to link you to what I have been following, but I can’t post links..so you can google alpha collective if you want it’s the first link. That’s the team I’ve been following on twitch, at least. There aren’t any official brackets, yet but the game isn’t released so the matches aren’t technically “official” anyway. Though you can actively see teams forming up at GW2guru on their pvp forums and also, arenajunkies has launched their GW2 page as well.

            As far as interacting with players at low levels goes, the same could be said about WoW. I mean…literally the first time I ever looked for a group in the open world while questing was at level 65 when I wanted to do the Ring of Blood in Nagrand.

      • http://www.facebook.com/osiris.neits Osiris Neits

        Gw1 has lasted as long as WoW, and WoW is superior to it. Sorry to tell you, but as someone with a lvl 85 toon of each class in WoW, and who has played both the GW2 betas, and the MoP beta, but imo GW2 is superior to WoW. I have no doubt it will last just as long.

    • MMO_Doubter

      Things that sucked? Like cool mounts and the trinity (which most players prefer)?

      • http://www.facebook.com/patrikules.vunderbar Patrikules Vunderbar

         Troll of the Month award goes to…. *note you win invisible poisonous cookies if you win* …..

      • http://www.facebook.com/osiris.neits Osiris Neits

        Spending 40 minutes in que to find a tank and healer, whats not to love.

        • MMO_Doubter

          Do you know what the queue time is if you are PLAYING a tank or healer?

          • dawolv

             Theres so many things wrong with that comment…
            Besides, IF you are playing a healer or tank you get to be the scapegoat upon failure. Superb!

            I’m not saying the system Arenanet has is the second coming, but for queing times sake it’s the better alternative.

            Besides, noone can really say how the metagame will be. Watching journalists videos, is painful most of the time… dying to level 5 mobs.. seriously?!
            If Arenanet would show off the high end stuff, I doubt a lot of the journalists could show it to the public without making it look like something dumb.

            Most people I know created 5 characters during beta to “test out” the professions and got to Level 10 max. Theres basically nothing interesting in playing a profession up to level 10. The really interesting stuff starts to happen at around 20-30 when most of the customization first becomes available.
            I played a Necro to 37 and I can say at 30 the difficulty ramps up … A LOT!

            While watching a semi-organized group run Ascalon Catacoms without a clue of class synergy whatsoever looks like Zerging is king, let me assure you that the open world stuff at level 30 is already up to par to the dungeon in most instances.
            Utilizing the combo-system and tweaking your traits to fit your weapons and skills is still a big part of the game.
            Seeing as open maps are hard enough already, I don’t think zerging in a 5 man instance will proove successful in the long run.

            If 2 months into live everything falls apart it won’t be because the content is not accessible enough or because the player base prefers the Trinity. IF it fails, which I hardly doubt, it will be due to a lack of incentive, since most people are just too used to progression based systems build around improving raw power.

          • MMO_Doubter

            AH, so you are AFRAID of the responsibility of being the tank or healer. Some players LIKE that same responsibility.

            “If Arenanet would show off the high end stuff,”  When an MMO doesn’t show their end game – it SUCKS. That has been the case for every MMO I have followed for the last several years. You should be worried about that.

            I agree that end game incentives are a real question. I STILL don’t understand what end game PvE is supposed to be. PvP will be WvWvW, presumably.

          • dawolv

             I played a healer for the longest time!
            I’m not afraid of responsibility, but I think it is quite a flawed game design to just have 2 people in a group be responsible.
            In GW2 you are at least responsible for yourself at all times, which is a nice change of pace.

            They don’t really need to show off their endgame!
            They have prooven in the lower level areas that they are able to build these event chains.
            The game doesn’t start anew at the end, it stays the same. The only thing that would happen if they show off high level zones is spoiling the story.

            PvE endgame, for the 10000 time, non existent by the classical definition.
            You will still do the same stuff you always did.
            You can try and earn prestigues rewards while doing so, but that shouldn’t be the incentive. The incentive should be having fun playing.

            Frankly, I think too many people play games for absurd reasons nowadays – I play to have fun!
            If you consider WoW Raiding as fun, why doesn’t someone just make a game where you go on raids, without having to gear up or anything?
            Just buy a game, log in, raid, log out.
            I don’t think many players would play it, because it lacks some arbitrary reward.

            I hope this non-existent barrier of entry to GW2 will change the mindset some people have regarding games

          • http://www.facebook.com/osiris.neits Osiris Neits

            Since my main was a Protection Warrior, yes I do.  Regardless, if 1/5th of the player base wanted to tank, and 1/5 wanted to heal, the trinity would work out a lot better- Since that isn’t the case, it’s hardly the best system ever.

          • MMO_Doubter

            The problem is that party size does not reflect the ratios of DPS/Heals/Tank players.

            Trinity based MMOs need to assign more party slots to DPS – since that is the role most prefer (for various reasons). A party size of 8 (T/H/ 6 DPS) would greatly reduce queue times.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

             The fact that there are queue times at all is the problem. A lot of people, myself included, feel that if we paid for a game,a certainly if we pay monthly for it, we should be able to play it when we want rather than sit around and wait for the right person to come along and enable us to play. That is why there is no trinity in GW2.

            It isn’t that the trinity itself is inherently bad, that is debatable, but rather because Arena Net wanted to make a game wherein you have fun, rather than sit around waiting to have fun. It doesn’t matter how long you personally have to wait, you are still waiting, and waiting is NOT FUN.

      • St_Draco

        Most players prefer the Trinity? Hmm last I checked there are more non-MMO players than MMO players.  Those non-MMO players obviously love their trinity, that’s why they play those MMOs… oh wait they don’t. Heck, most MMO players don’t even do dungeon or raid content.  They never experience the trinity.

        Troll Hard

        • MMO_Doubter

          Obviously, I was referring to MMORPG players.

          Pretty sure you are wrong about most players not running dungeons.

          • St_Draco

            Oh, obviously.

            Well you have all of the EvE poplulation, all the social MMO players, most of the players who never reach max level (most of them never set foot in a dungeon), Most of the SWTOR players (they have dungeons, what?), hmm who else am I leaving out?

            Of course it is pretty hard for me to give a definitive number, hence I have to be vague because there isn’t a real way to measure… but then, that neither disproves nor proves my assertion… hmm that sounds familiar.

    • MiZTiiX

      Why would blizzard be scared? every mmo doesn’t live up to the hype. GW2 is not an exception. The fact that people still think there is going to be a WOW killer is beyond me. After 7 years of mmos failing, (aion, warhammer, rift swtor etc) i don’t see how its possible to keep thinking stupid crap like this. Maybe people like you have a memory of a gold fish. Also GW2 is nothing knew. Dynamic events have been done in RIFT, warhammer. Active combat has been around forever and games like TERA do it best. WvW was in DAoC. Many mmos have no trinity (mostly instance based ones) but trinity is good because GW2 dungeons are just zerg fests. I think its Arenanet that should be scared. I mean wheres the end game content? if end game content is going back and dooing stuff you’ve done before then GW2 is in danger, this is why it has no subscription. And the whole “GW2 has no sub so it won’t fail is ridiculous” Look at GW1, how many people still play that game? it never really got popular because people didn’t play it. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/osiris.neits Osiris Neits

        They don’t teach logical thinking in schools anymore, do they?

        “Every MMO that was tried to capitalize on WoW’s success failed, so no game will ever do so” is an invalid argument, based on false logic.

        GW1 and GW2 are very different games. GW1 was successful enough that it has been running just as long as WoW (minus 5 months).  It has used the same B2P model that GW2 will be using, and has had plenty of free content updates.

        Anyone who tries to just zerg beyond the GW2 starter zones will die, and quickly. I can understand why it would look like that to people unfamiliar with the game, though, and especially those used to just standing back and spamming attacks while someone else holds aggro.

        If you want to see a zerg fest, que up for and heroic more than 3 months old in WoW, or hit up the LFR.

        • MiZTiiX

          Well of course GW1 lasted duhhh the game hasn’t closed down has it? But how many people played it? not many, compared to the sales very little played it and its been a low pop game for years so you cannot use the argument that “GW1 is still running” because warhammer online is running but isn’t very successful. Also there being no WOW killer i think is just something we have to deal with. the wow player base keeps coming back and its a fact. GW2 will not be the game to kill it because many wow players will play both and no subscription game can kill it as proven either. its a fact we have to deal with. 
          Also dying if you go beyond your starting area is in every MMO, i dont see why you included that in there. Finally as explained before zerging means “running back constantly to a fight after dying and trying to down it” This is impossible in WOW as you have to run back to the corpse, but possible in GW2

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

            Before you keep embarrassing yourself I would like to point out that the only people who ever called GW2 a “WoW Killer” were WoW fans like yourself trying to troll our forums and bash us. The general stance of the GW2 community is “they are not competing because GW2 doesn’t need to steal subs” and the official stance by Arena Net has always been “play both.”

          • MiZTiiX

            I’m not trolling the forums i’m having a reasonable discussion. I don’t know why you get so sensitive? If the general stance of GW2 is to not kill WOW then why is there a tomb stone in game mocking WOW? explain that. Also i have not played WOW in 2 years i just defend it because too many people think it is okay to bash it everytime a new game comes out. You say many WOW players come and troll the GW2 forums but all i have been seeing lately on every video (not just wow) “GW2 IS THE BEST THIS GAME SUCKS” It’s even going on now just look at the WOW MOP cinematic trailer.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

            First off I would like to ask where you got your information, but because I have played GW2 nearly a dozen times now and never even heard of this tomb stone. Secondly, learn to recognize a troll. A while back some GW2 youtube channels were getting hammered pretty hard by a troll going on about how great WoW was, so I went to his channel and checked his comment history. He was also trolling WoW videos talking about how great GW2 was. Trolls troll, they don’t actually care about the game they are trolling, or the game they are trolling for.

            Pro Tip: Ignore anyone that posts crap like “GW2 IS THE BEST THIS GAME SUCKS” because they are just a troll and probably hitting GW2 just as hard. If they don’t have a least a half way decent argument to back up what they’re saying they are just trying to get attention, doesn’t matter who from, and they will say anything to get it.

            So why were they trolling you with GW2 then? Simple. Because they know there is a lot of tension between the two games right now, and that makes trolling easier.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

            An interesting update for you; I did some digging and it turns out that the tomb stone you’re talking about was actually in the game. I’m shocked, that is so unlike Arena Net as I know them. Now I say it was in the game because as of the last bit of play time we got it was removed, and the artist who slipped it in without approval is no longer working at Arena Net.

      • Josh Rosenvelt

        lol at the zergfest comment, done LFR or any heroic dungeon lately? LFR actually makes the raid advantage in wow NULL and VOID. It makes HM and normal modes meaningless. Burning Crusade until end of ulduar will always be the peak for raiding in wow.

        Imagine uldaur, BT, Sunwell with a LFR mode, no one would ever think those raids would be epic then. So enjoy the new lfr system that will destroy 10 man HM guilds just as fast as 25 man guilds got destroyed with making 10s equal.

        • http://www.facebook.com/osiris.neits Osiris Neits

          Ahh, sweet, sweet Ulduar- How I loved that raid. To bad Blizz decided to abandon everything that made it awesome.

          • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

            Ahh, Ulduar, actually have a Ulduar raid scheduled for tonight, should be fun.   We cleared DS last night, got another rogue his legendary daggers. 

        • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

          Have you been running lfr?   How dare Blizzard make content for players who can’t maintain a regular raid schedule.

        • MiZTiiX

          Yh wow has different raid difficulties but I’m not referring to LFR im talking about heroic and im talkign about how GW2 dungeons have no trinity so it is not as organised and with the addition of being able to spawn at dungeon entrances and run back to fight the boss makes it very zergy. I don’t think you know what zerg means. It means constantly spawning and running back to fight over and over. You cant do that in WOW, once you wipe, you wipe.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SMGRLFM4UASOO7QO26HTHBLIOI Shawn

    WoW fanbois have gotta cling to something still I guess, enjoy mucking around with the same old game engine since 2004, the same old bump and grind quest system, the same old messed up PvP system. How WoW still has players is beyond me. Frankly I think its because the game is comfortable and they don’t want to try something new, something better.

    • MMO_Doubter

      WoW players try each new MMO that come out. When/if they find one that actually IS better, then you will see a massive decline in their subs.

      GW2 has no: raids, mounts, or trinity. Believe it or not, that doesn’t sound ‘better’ to most WoW players.

      • David Alcon

        Except that Rift is superior to WoW, especially in the Raid front. But Shawn is correct…players are comfortable in WoW and don’t REALLY want to leave it. They know it and understand it.

        • Setekh

          Not to forget that many, including myself, have met wondeful people in the past 7 years and as long as my guild keeps playing WoW, so will i. Ans im sure many people have this as a reason for still playing it aswell. Offcourse that does not mean i wont have time for GW2. I like vatiety in my gaming :)

          • Jant0n

            That is a very good point that some don’t realize. I love my guild and the people I raided with for years in WoW and will probably pop in and out of WoW just to keep in touch and have some fun with old friends. Though I have fortunately convinced some to play some GW2 with me xD.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/536K5RE47JLPRX7HPA6KKNBR3U vanners

            I can understand this reasoning.  I currently play a pathetic game (Shakes and Fidget) which is about as bad as an MMO can get, but I stayed for the people in my guild.  Right now I am trying to convince them to join me in GW2 and once everyone who means anything to me is across in GW2 I will drop the game completely (probably with a message telling people to look for me in GW2 if they want to find me).

            If WoW is getting as bad as what I am hearing, I suggest you try the same.  Yeah, there is the “Magnificent toon” magnet, however it looks like the strength of a toon is only as good as the next expansion where you have to grind for gear again.  If the toon was really that good, why more gear grinding?

            To me, starting off in a new game gives you the chance to be awesome all over again.  Plus you get to experience more new content than half a dozen expansions of WoW for only a few months sub.

            Sure playing a skill based system is a lot different than a gear based system – you would need to actually become awesome, not just persistent, but then again, with expansions having only a few weeks content in them any late joiners could easily catch up to your gear level by playing through your wait time.  Then to paraphrase The Incredibles: “when everyone is fully geared up, then no one is” when that is all there is to it.  With a skill based system, the guy who buys a level 80 toon full geared up will still get owned by the player who played to 80 and got skilled up by “practising” while playing the game.

        • MMO_Doubter

          It might be superior for raiding (although I have heard about a LOT of bugs in the raids), but it sure as hell isn’t better for rerolling alts. STILL just two start areas, right? WoW launched with 6.

          That is the main reason I did not buy it after beta testing. THAT – and the very first BG you unlock is crap.

        • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

          I get so sad when someone talks about Rift raiding.  It had such promise, hope the Rift expansion brings back some players. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/osiris.neits Osiris Neits

        6 months into Dragon Soul, 34% of lvl 85 toons had downed Deathwing in LFR, and 4% on normal, so perhaps you are overestimating the importance of raiding to the player base. Mounts are not necessary in GW2, since you can use waypoints to instantly travel anywhere you want to go (no more 20 min flight paths). If the trinity was really that great, they wouldn’t have to reward tanks and healers just for playing their roles.

        • http://twitter.com/LoreChief Nicholas Forbus

          BAM! Right on the head.  “If the trinity was really that great, they wouldn’t have to reward tanks and healers just for playing their roles.”  You just won the thread mate.

          The second players begun saying “I have to play as a tank/healer or I’ll never get in a dungeon”, was the second the Holy Trinity became retarded.

        • MMO_Doubter

          34% is a hefty chunk.

          Mounts are not about NEED. They are about  COOL.

          Wait and see how popular having to heal yourself will be in GW2. Not VERY, I am betting.

          • http://www.facebook.com/osiris.neits Osiris Neits

            a hefty chunk, but less than half.

            I have a ton of them on my main, I understand their attraction. I would still rather head to a portal and be where I’m going.

            The fact that there are no dedicated healers doesn’t mean there are no group heals. This is where the argument that GW2 is just a massive zerg fest breaks down. Successful groups will be working together, healing, applying buffs and debuffs, and using combos. One elementalist drops Healing Rain- a warrior uses Cyclone Axe in the field, throwing additional healing bolts, and a Mesmer uses The Prestige, a blast finisher, to provide additional AoE healing. Much more interesting than having a healer stand in the back and spam a couple heals while she watches reruns of The Wire.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/T2CF4DYZNZBU3MGDQOADWCBWQE Big

             Why are people wasting your time trying to educate wow fan boys on gw2 ? That’s like trying to educate bill o’reilly that it’s not god who’s making the tide go in tide go out. They are so brainwash to the point that if it is not wow then it = FAIL automatically.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

            You get a like because Bill O’Reilly is also an obvious troll.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/SMGRLFM4UASOO7QO26HTHBLIOI Shawn

        So they haven’t stuck to the same mesh as other “traditional” MMO’s, who cares? Again everything I have seen posted by you is mostly just misinformed nonsense, you have no facts about Guild Wars 2. There is an entire zone devoted to what you would call “raids”, and you don’t need mounts since when does an MMO actually require mounts? Not when they have a far more robust traveling system? This isn’t Lobbycraft man this is next gen gaming at its finest.

        Trinity is Dead! And I’m loving it.

      • Jant0n

         I see a lot of anecdotal evidence without any proof; aside from the fact that GW2 has no raids, mounts, or trinity of course. I have played WoW for a while now (still have a sub that I don’t plan on re-upping for MoP) and never really tried anything out until SW:TOR, needless to say it was a disappointment, but I have been having fun in GW2. I will indeed miss the traditional instanced raids in WoW had a lot of fun but look forward to seeing how these larger dynamic events pan out. I agree mounts can be very cool so long as they don’t allow you to go so fast you bypass the content in the world around you; I hope at some point they implement them, but only with a very minor speed boost. I played a warlock as my main for years and I’m glad the trinity is going away in GW2; there is way to much reliance on the tanks and healers.

      • Old Ben

        > When/if they find one that actually IS better,
        > then you will see a massive decline in their subs.

        Because “WoW players” are a uniform block who will all suddenly agree on a single “better game”… /sarcasm

        Most people play WoW because they’re attached to their guilds and their characters. Unless all their friends suddenly decide to switch to a specific game (and manage to bring their characters with them), there will never be a single “mass migration”.

        WoW will continue to lose players due to its own declining quality and the lack of vision of its designers, not due to some magical competitor.

  • 7BitBrian

    Actually if you look at numbers subs have continuously went up before new expansions, not down, up until now. Actually subs went up adn stayed going up not dropping down ever until cataclysm, then they lost 25% of their sub base in a short 2 years.

    Not saying anything is dieing or anything is going to beat or kill anything, just pointing out the real numbers, because this whole “subs are always down at the end of an expansion” crap is a lie, the numbers show subs always rose signifigantly before previous expansions, not lowered.

    • Josh Rosenvelt

      Very true Brian, it was over 11 million in TBC 3 weeks before WOLTK was released. You can search the eurogamers article. Link posted in these comments never come through otherwise I would.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      TBC was just amazing overall, other than just a small number of players could experience all the content, you just have to look at the subscription numbers to see how spectacular was the expansion performance.

      Some would argue that the LK sub numbers was based on activities in Asia and the second peak was due to LK release in China.   So any loss in western sub would have been hidden by the release of LK in China.

      Cata numbers speak for themselves, it was clearly a disappointment for many players. But, the one million loss during the last quarter is an odd number, when you compare to the 6 million additional battlenet accounts. You do have to wonder how many subs they lost to D3, and more to the fact, how many of the D3 accounts will come back.

      • http://twitter.com/QuietNine Quiet

        i dont think they lost subs to a game that cant hold most players interests for more than 2.5 weeks. if anything, D3 is the only reason they kept subs stable for so long (year long sub + free game shenanigans).

        • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

          No, only 1.5m players signed up for the annual pass (lol, more than the last WoW-killer has in subs right now.)  

          Me, not a defender of D3, dungeon crawlers are not my game.  Clearly D3 has disappointed many a fan. 

          Blizzard gained 6m new Battlenet accounts, so it makes sense they lost some subs to D3. 

          • Old Ben

            > only 1.5m players signed up for the annual pass

            1.5 million is about 40% of the total number of western WoW accounts. Remember the annual pass did not apply to China, due to the different subscription model.

        • MMO_Doubter

          I agree. That D3 deal probably kept up WoW sub rates.

    • Old Ben

      >  Actually subs went up adn stayed going up
      > not dropping down ever until cataclysm

      Not really.

      Subscriptions grew during vanilla and TBC and started dropping right after the release of Wrath. The only thing that disguised that in the global numbers was the fact that China got TBC when the West got Wrath (so subscriptions kept growing in China while they fell in the west, leading to apparently stable numbers – and even a slight growth as Chinese players who were happy with TBC bought Wrath). Once China got Wrath (soon before Cataclysm was released globally), subscriptions started dropping there too.

      You need to look at the two markets separately, because expansions weren’t released simultaneously in both.

      If you’re going to look just at one of the markets, then you should use the chinese release dates, not the US dates, since China has stood for more than 50% of global subscriptions since before TBC was released in the West.

      China was playing vanilla WoW up to the end of 2008, and then TBC up to the end of 2010.

  • 7BitBrian

    Titan is vaporware. The Diablo3 we got to see, the buggy crappy one that no one likes, thats the third Diablo 3 they’ve worked on, they scrapped the previous two because they work at a snails pace and everything they developed was to old and tired by the time they would have released.

    Why do you think we haven’t seen anything about Titan yet? They don’t have anything, they did, and thought it was great, then the industry shifted and we got all these new games bringing so mjuch new stuff to the MMO table. Now it’s back to the Titan drawing board.

    Don’t plan on seeing Titan for years, and I mean 5 or so, years to come, if ever at all. Currently it’s nothing more than Vaporware(people talking-vapor out of your mouth)

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/SMGRLFM4UASOO7QO26HTHBLIOI Shawn

      You are probably right about this one, and it does take Blizzard forever to make a game, Diablo 3 showed us that they don’t care about their fanbase anymore. They think of us in terms of only cash and not if we will enjoy their games or not. I used to love Warcraft, but Blizzard is just turning me off from the concept altogether and MoP nailed the final one for me. Never am I going back to that mess.

      • MMO_Doubter

        Agreed about Blizzard. I just have no reason to think ANet is any different.

        Especially with their cash shop model as opposed to subs.

        • Sukh Bhatti

          lol

        • http://www.facebook.com/osiris.neits Osiris Neits

          you mean the GEM shop? that uses gems you can buy with in game gold?

          • MMO_Doubter

            The gems, yes. That can only be ‘created’ with real money.

            That can then be sold to other player for gold.

          • sukhdeep bhatti

            lol

          • ZekePrince

            Oh you mean similarly to Eve’s PLEX system that works just fine? 
            Alright.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/SMGRLFM4UASOO7QO26HTHBLIOI Shawn

           It just goes to show that you have no idea what you are talking about when you say cash shop, if anything its a cosmetic shop, not a pay to win model that you are thinking about. Get your facts straight before you start belittling a really great game.

          • MMO_Doubter

            No, sir. There are many non-cosmetic items to buy in the shop.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/SMGRLFM4UASOO7QO26HTHBLIOI Shawn

             Fine, its not a pay to win shop. Its mostly cosmetic items.

        • St_Draco

          You mean a cash shop that everyone has, including some games that use both subs and cash shop? ::cough:: WoW, Tera, TSW ::cough::

          There isn’t an MMO left that doesn’t have a cash shop.

          Troll Hard

          • MMO_Doubter

            I think TSW is still just clothing (but I am sure that will change).

            Don’t remember any rep or xp buff potions in WoW. Or lottery boxes/bags.

          • St_Draco

            Hmm lets see in WoW I can pay $60 to power level any character.  In some cases I can just pay $15 and get a free lvl80.

            Yeah I’m referring to Refer-a-Friend and Scroll of Resurrection.

            And if you don’t think people will be using RaF to power level a Monk when MoP hits you will be kidding yourself. Seems like P2W to me.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      Did Titan come up again? Sigh.

    • MMO_Doubter

      The longer it goes, the more I am thinking the same as you.

      Blizzard OUGHT TO be showing us something about Titan – if they have anything worth showing.

      • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

        Why the heck would Blizzard talk about Titan, when they have an expansion coming out in less than two months. 

        • MMO_Doubter

          They talk about D3.

          A more interesting question is: Why is there no Blizzcon this year?

  • Ardens

    Soooooo. their patch, for a xpac that won’t be playable until sept 25 is released on the same day Gw2 launches….And this is important why?
    Ppl that will play GW2 come the 28th can very well patch Wow later or no?
    Am I missing something? Are ppl gonna go like “ohhh I can’t play Gw2 cuz I gotta download 6gb of Wow data that is irrelevant until sept 25″ lolololol

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      Mmm, the patch downloaded last week and yes, I will be playing GW2 during the headstart weekend, but will put it away for the serious business of WoW raiding.  

      • Josh Rosenvelt

        You gonna be playing on a private BC server then?

        • Odeezee

          HAHAHAHA, thanks for the laugh. is sad but so true, even Dularr will admit that raiding in WoW now is anything but serious business. aaah Dularr…forever the WoW raiding optimist.

  • http://twitter.com/djinntwit Dustin Moon

    GW2 Head Start will be a lot more populated than u think.  WoW is 3 days past the Real launch date of GW2… 

    • Jant0n

       I have to agree with this. Most people that want to play GW2 have either pre-purchased (3 day head start) or pre-ordered (1 day head start).

  • http://www.facebook.com/osiris.neits Osiris Neits

    So, what this story means to me, based on history, is that on the 28th, GW2 players will be having fun, and WoW players will be dealing with an unplayable patch day mess and updating addons. If they had been smart they would have released on the 27th.

    • Cody Moody

      Unplayable patches stopped around patch 3.2. Ulduar was the last “unplayable” patch. That was almost 3 years ago.

      • Old Ben

        > Ulduar was the last “unplayable” patch. 

        And yet it was also the last good raid… :-P

        > That was almost 3 years ago.

        Yeah…

  • PimpDaddyWiteBoy

    i like how the fat neck beard panda looks like most of the WoW players

    • Jant0n

      What a demonstrably fallacious argument. Also, it is not a very nice thing to say. 

      • Diequex

        Most people posting in this article evidently don’t have nice things to say, evidently :/

        • Jant0n

           One can always dream of more civility, even if it is unlikely.

          • Diequex

            Aye, but it seems like the lack of civil discussion is what keeps the comment count so high in this thread (unfortunately). 

  • http://twitter.com/sakura2520 sakura

    wonder if gw2 makes a big event similar to the bwe end event on the 1 month mark 25th September will wow fans rage that it is not fair…..

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      I hope not, after the repeated broken “end of BWE” events and they way players whine and bitched after dying right off the bat in the last end of BWE event.    Woot, woot, I was top 12 in my Hunger Royal game.   

      • Odeezee

        how was Battle Royale broken? and people only bitched because they are too used to not actually reading what they are supposed to do or have an addon flash messages across your screen to instruct you on what you have to do and when.

        also, you do realize that that event was put together by 2 devs in their spare time in just 12 hours, right? now imagine what they can do with a whole team working on it and a month to put it out, yeah if i was Blizz i would be scared too.

        • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

          WoW fanboys make claims with no citations because they are usually delusional and feel their opinion constitutes fact.  This is what we like to call ‘the caged hamster syndrome’. Just point the way to the next treadmill and they will be out of your hair in no time.

      • http://twitter.com/sakura2520 sakura

         i am more for the second bwe actually that was really fun and unexpected.

      • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

        At some point, you may want to consider why no one ever ‘likes’ your posts. Bickering about a systems engine that is far superior to wow’s (obviously). Just the simple fact that they can implement these kinds of full-scale events in 12 hours without ever taking the game offline is a feat unknown to the current wow system. Also, where exactly is it stated that any of the events were broken? Can you link the source? Or are you just stirring up dust because you are a fanboy?

      • Old Ben

        >  they way players whine and bitched after
        > right off the bat in the last end of BWE event

        No one died “right off the bat”. During the first 15 minuets there was no death penalty. 

  • Karizee

    I unsubbed 3 months ago.  Will be playing GW2 on the 25th,  They think a sad little broken patch with no content and jacked up talent system will bring me back – LOL.

    • Cody Moody

      I don’t think they care about you. But the other 9+ million people will be enjoying it. GW2 can only dream of breaking 4 or 5 mil in sales on the first week. -LOL

      • Josh Rosenvelt

        MoP wont be breaking 3 mil in the 1st week even, I expect GW2 to break 1 mil and MoP 2.5 mil in the 1st week. Remember MoP is not being released in China which more then 50% of the wow playerbase. Remove China as a market and wow doesn’t look that impressive. 

        • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

          Yea…fanboys don’t like to admit that a third of that 9 mil is not even a monthly sub, it’s a pay-per-play system in china. World of warcraft is old and stale. Nothing but hopping from one treadmill to the next like caged hamsters. 

          Edit: Forgot to mention the god awful, outdated character models to boot

          • Old Ben

            > a third of that 9 mil is not even a monthly sub

            Actually, WoW East accounts for over 60% of the current player base.

          • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

            So 5 million of the subs are from the East? Maybe wow is doing worse than I initially thought. Thanks for the correction tho.

          • Old Ben

            China has been responsible for more than 50% of WoW’s subscriber base since before TBC was even released. China overtook the rest of the world in mid-2005 and the difference has been increasing since.

            Blizzard stopped releasing regional numbers in 2010 (they only release the global total, now), but at the point there were 5.1 million subscribers in the West and 6.3 million in China. Considering their obvious shift towards the East with MoP, I’d say the current difference is probably a lot bigger than that.

        • Karizee

          GW2 already broke 2 million.

          • Josh Rosenvelt

            As much I would love that to happen in the first week I doubt it will be the case, although I do expect 3 million sales before the end of the year.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

            Actually, while I don’t know about this two million claim, Guild Wars 2 actually HAS already sold at least a million copies through the pre-purchase and pre-order sales.

      • Karizee

        >>I don’t think they care about you<<

        You are absolutely correct, they do not care about me or any other player in the game.  They made that crystal clear in Cata – why do you think so many of us left?

      • Karizee

        9 milion people my arse.  Cata only sold a little over 3 million copies – just how many twinks do think there are?

        And if you think the sub bleeding stopped on June 30, you are sorely mistaken.  All it takes is one look at the desolate wastelands of hundreds of dead servers to confirm that there has been a mass exodus.

      • Old Ben

        > GW2 can only dream of breaking 4 or 5 mil in sales on the first week.

        You mean the same number that WoW took one year to reach (or four years, if you don’t include China)?

        I don’t expect GW2 to get anywhere near 5 million players during the first month (let alone week), but your logic is amusing.

    • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

      Well there is content in the patch…unfortunately it’s already been played out by the millions of ppl on beta and test servers. 

  • Karizee

  • Tenthletter1979

    They’ve scheduled a major patch or expansion at the same time as every major MMO release. This is nothing new. It won’t affect anything regardless. Hardcore fans of both games will continue to play their respective favorite.

    I don’t see what all the drama is about. GW2 has no sub fee. No reason you can’t play both if you want, especially since GW2 has so many features that allow you to play with friends regardless of level and gear, so you never feel left behind if you stop playing for a while.

    In fact, I expect there will be quite a lot of people who will raid in WoW and play GW2 during their downtime.

    • Setekh

      Thats exactly what i plan to do. Level up in MOP, get Raid ready. Raid in WoW and enjoy GW2 when not raiding. Having lost interest in the one raid we have in WoW since many months, the only interesting thing about this patch will be the pre-MoP event and i am sure that will be played trough fast enough so there is more then enough time to enjoy GW2.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/536K5RE47JLPRX7HPA6KKNBR3U vanners

        Doesn’t it suck that you have to pay a monthly fee when you only really do an occasional raid?  It would be a cool option if you owned the game and paid for new content (I have games I bought that I have only played for a day or two), but to spend each month for a single raid sounds like gouging to me.

        About 7 years ago I had a neighbour who played WoW.  I saw the game and was hooked – until I found out about the monthly fee.  My free time is pretty hit and miss, so I couldn’t justify paying for a month and then playing for only a few hours if at all.  I sadly decided against it.

        A few months later a friend at work told me about GW, I was interested and then excited when I was told there was no monthly fee.  That gave me freedom.  The level cap and armour limits allowed me to quickly get to a point where I could play with anyone (even a player with a 3 year head start on me).  Alts were a viable option as well (and I love alts).

        Now with GW2 a Newbie can play alongside a level 80 friend from the start and never feel worthless.  Still no monthly fee and I couldn’t be happier.

        Interesting thing is: I have spent upwards of $600 on GW (not including GW2) with all the campaigns and expansion, storage, extra characters for me, my wife and three of my children.  I spent it because it was on my terms, for something I wanted, and only when I wanted it.  I’ve played the other Warcrafts but Blizzard lost a fan (or five) and potentially $1000 by their business model.  I wonder how often that scenario has played out.

    • Menashe Eisner

      “Hardcore fans of both games will continue to play their respective favorite.”
      Well, what about 1.1 million Hardcore fans that gave up the hard part last quarter?

      • Cody Moody

        Hardcore fans from…China.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robbert-de-Wilde/1806039882 Robbert de Wilde

      There is a reason you can’t play both. Time. Who the fuck has time to play more then 1 MMO. if you want to do anything in WoW that is fun (pvp/pve) you have to spend at least 1 hour or 4. And Guild Wars 2 will be comepletely new so you’ll get lost like no tomorrow. So tell me how does a normal person with a job and/or school not to mention a social life friends/kids/family have time for both. I don’t see it.

      • Tenthletter1979

        Easy. When I played WoW during a new expansion there was a lot of time spent leveling and gearing to prepare for the first tier of raiding. After that it was log in at raid time, raid, then logout until next raid time.

        During downtime I’d either tile jump in Ironforge, or fly my mount from rooftop to rooftop in Stormwind, During Wrath I’d post up on the statue by the bank in Dalaran to make sure it didn’t float away. I spent more time sitting in town than playing, so GW2 is a perfect filler for players like I used to be.

        If somebody likes all aspects of WoW and can keep themselves entertained by that game alone, then fine. The number of people that login only to raid is very high though, and they can easily play both.

        Now if you only have the time to play 4 hours a week or something due to other commitments, (which is the situation I’m currently in) then you obviously don’t have time for two MMOs. In that case you’ll play whichever game you like the most, and the WoW patch release on GW2 launch day still doesn’t affect you. You had to pick one or the other due to time constraints anyway.

        Either way, my point is that WoW putting their patch on GW2 launch day isn’t going to affect either game very much.

        • Old Ben

          > I spent more time sitting in town than playing

          No, no, no. That _is_ the gameplay. From the same brilliant minds that brought us WoW archaeology. ;-)

          > WoW putting their patch on GW2 launch day isn’t
          > going to affect either game very much.

          Of course not. It’s just a (somewhat sad) attempt to get some press coverage. That way gaming sites might have a front page full of GW2 news on the 28th but they’ll also have at least a little note about WoW’s patch.

  • Karizee

    Have to laugh at the Masonic Eye of Providence in the background on Blizz side lol

    • Old Ben

      It was actually used long before there were freemasons. I think GBTV is using it as a reference to “conspiracy theories” in general.

  • http://twitter.com/Fursnake Andrew Witt

    Funny how everyone claims there are no raids in GW2 simply because there are no raid instances. Open world events (quests) can easily become raids if enough people join up. Some of the open world stuff further in pretty much requires enough players to be joined in a raid size grouping to pull them off. I’ll take random, open world raiding over repetitive raid instances any day.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      Well, because there are no raids in GW2.   Looking forward to the world bosses in GW2, hope players will repeat the world boss fights after the first few months. 

      • Old Ben

        > Well, because there are no raids in GW2. 

        GW2 has raids starting at level 15.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

          It seems that to most people unless it is instanced it doesn’t count. Raids are nothing but a tool for player ego, and you can’t really say your guild is the best at this or that raid if you can’t lock everyone else out of it. Hardcore raiders are actually pretty segregationist really, they like to talk about how many people they have to organize for their raids, but when you get right down to it they hate the idea of having to play with other people.

          • Karizee

            I use to love 25m raiding.  But since Cata launched I’ve been in 2 guilds that downsized to 10m.  World boss dynamic events in GW2 give me that epic feeling again!

        • MiZTiiX

          gw2 has no raids at all…

          • Old Ben

            I guess you didn’t manage to get to level 15, or didn’t bother to explore much…

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robbert-de-Wilde/1806039882 Robbert de Wilde

      Yeah, I’m fucking tired of instanced raids anyway. 5 Man instances are perfect. Especially in this game, it’s easy to get quick 5 friends together and have some fun, trying to tackle some pretty hard content. Something WoW doesn’t have. You actually need 10 (minimum) people and do heroic mode bosses with specific roles (tank healer dps). 

  • Men_In_Tights_Too

    Hey Gary you need to add a Secret World icon as Funcom are dropping their next content update on the 28th of August too. It has to be a conspiracy right? Or maybe ancient aliens? O.o

    • http://twitter.com/Fursnake Andrew Witt

      Well everything in the The Secret World is a conspiracy, or about ancient aliens or ancient gods so that kind of fits hehe.

  • 1970Hendrix1970

    No one gives a flying fuck about a patch when it is still the old content. This would be like Geroge Lucus re-releasing Starwars to compete with the Dark Knight Rises. As the only people able to play the game on the 25th are people that already pre-purchased it  and they will have 3 days to tell their friends how amazing it is I doubt the 28th launch will be hampered in the slightest. Blizz would have to have new content available which they don’t or open beta to everyone to even try to put a dent. If anything they are marginalizing their own content by releasing when no ne will be playing it.

    • MiZTiiX

      Seen as the content will only be able to be seen once and its gone forever i think that many people will play it :) especially 10million wow players

  • http://twitter.com/Gnug315 Jan Bloxham

    I hate to break the news to the GW2 fanboys, but it’ll be just about as succesful as Rift and SWTOR – no more, no less. The second coming of Christ it sure aint.

    • Jant0n

       Good thing you can know the future. /sarcasm
      The funny thing is that the only time I ever hear people claim that GW2 is the “second coming” is when they use it to bash the game with no other rational arguments. If you don’t like the game that’s fine everyone has an opinion, but I would hope that people could rationally and coherently say what they dislike about it and why.

      • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

        I was just thinking about this. GW2guru, the Guildwars2 reddit community, even the wow forums… no one ever says gw2 is going to crush wow and is the second coming of mmo’s unless its a wow fanboy using it as an argument. Funny, right?

        • Jant0n

           Funny in a sad way, I suppose.

    • http://twitter.com/EdwardvanRaak Edward van Raak

      Nice fallacy.

    • Josh Rosenvelt

      I haven’t seen anyone say GW2 is going to be a wow killer its actually appealing to a different playerbase. Aslong as wow has China and no other Western MMO is in that market, wow will always have the most world wide subs.
      Basically all a mmo has to break in the NA/EU market is 4 million to be number 1 which admittedly won’t be easy to do.

    • Old Ben

      I’m pretty sure GW2 has already sold more copies than Rift did.

      And it’s hard for something to be less successful than SWTOR. Arena Net would have to spend 5x more money on GW2 than they did to be able match that.

      • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

        Looks like Rift peaked at 600k subs, down to 250k subs.  Really glad to see the new expansion, really hope it helps with the subs. 

        I did hear they moved virtually their entire development team off Rift to another game and eventually replaced them with new programmers.  Haven’t heard which team worked on the expansion. 
         
        Last I heard, Arenanet reached the 1m pre-purchase.  Haven’t heard how close they are to 2m.

    • Gronba

      I agree completely with you in regards to it not beating WoW in pure numbers – or I atleast I can’t see it happening. However being more successfull than Rift and SWtoR – now thats something I believe it can do.

      My problem with SWtoR was that it was way too much like WoW – and nothing beats WoW in what WoW does best. WoW has had year to create its content and polish it, so when SWtoR lauchend it had to beat WoW on a field were WoW just had year to test and apply fixes – thus SWtoR failed. Some will say it was nothing like WoW because of the story, and they are right regarding that point, but as soon as the story ended and the game became about the gear progression through raiding/PvPing (with basicly the same combat mechanics as WoW) it failed because WoW did it better

      GW2 has a chance, it is imo different enough to for people to accept it being rough in the edges. However if I am wrong and it feels just like WoW in the end, then it will fail just as SWtoR did

      • Ravenstorm

        As Gronba said. Exactly that. Couldn’t have said it more eloquently if I tried.

  • sukhdeep bhatti

    Well we are missing Sharuko, but its ok I think MMO_Doubter is handling things just fine.

    • MMO_Doubter

      Well, at least you posted something other than “lol”.

      • sukhdeep bhatti

        lol

  • FreeBooteR69

    Yawn! WoW wut? Pandu who? Whatever that is, just don’t step in it.

  • Bo Fernatt

    I do have a question for the gamebreaker crew.  I see alot of trash talking going on in forums about communities.  Good and bad.  My question is.  Since GW2 is likely to attract a much larger audience than just the GW1 players, I am sure the trash talking, hyper annoying people that your twitch ignore hits as soon as they come online.  Will they still be using Dhuum in GW2 to ban players for offensive acts. Blizzard likes to say that WoW is a family playable game… I think not… I wouldnt let a minor near trade chat or other means of communication.  How is Arenanet going to handle this type of behaviour?

    • Josh Rosenvelt

      Interesting question BO, not sure on this one, but yeah since they have dumbed down wow so much you pretty much left with trash in the trade channel.;) Hopefully there will be a more intellectual and respectful playerbase in GW2. I know my friends that play rift love the community there. Players are very helpful and respectful.

      • Jant0n

         I hope the server I picked has a respectful player base. I was going to roll on Darkhaven but after BWE3 I decided to drop it; found out later 4chan community decided to join Darkhaven (it was fine the first two beta weekends but on the third it had a lot more trash talking).

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      I keep hearing alot of GW1 players don’t care for GW2.  GW2 seems to be attracting alot of nasty people with a big chip on their shoulder.   But, you got to figure after a few months, they will wander off to the next big game, so chat should settle down after a few months.

    • Arthur Brockington

      I’ve played GW1 for years, and not only is this “alot of gw1  players don’t like gw2″ nonsense baseless and untrue, but the community of GW1 has always been mature and respectful (atleast more than most). That said, GW2 is tuned to a slightly more mature audience, the principles it’s based off of are interdependent and non competitive. So while you have more adults, you’ll have less people needing to use adult/offensive/vulgar language…. and there is always the nice chat filter

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Magus-Hrist/100003601604634 Magus Hrist

    LOL nice to see that Blizzard is scared of GW2! Hopefully this will keep the WoW fanatics out of Tyria.

    • Cody Moody

      You do realize “fanatics” = “fan” right? That’s where the term “fan” comes from. So if you’re a fan of GW2, you are a fanatic.

      • Old Ben

        Actually, no, “fan” and “fanatic” have different meanings. In semantic terms (and possibly also in etymological terms – there’s some argument about that) “fan” is closer to “fancier” (someone who fancies something).

        You can be a fan of Jesus without being a religious fanatic.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

          Please forward this explanation to Total Biscuit, he blocked my twitter after I said he was getting as bad as kotaku when it came to flame/nerd baiting.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      I hope so, would not like seeing  WoW 5.0.1 chat in GW2 on the 28th.  Having the GW2 headstart folks talking about the new Azaroth world event and the destruction of Theramore.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/tom.jenks.35 Tom Jenks

    this will actually backfire on blizzard….unlike other similar antics by blizzard.

  • http://twitter.com/HallusH HallusH

    +1 was right

  • http://twitter.com/Matoskahlia Casey Bradley

    GW2: I’m out on the 28th come get me!
    WoW: We are patching on the 28th, beat that!
    GW2: Patch right….so do they get to play right after the patch?
    WoW: Ummmm….Well, the expansion launches on Sept. 25th!
    GW2: Uh huh.
    Players: Why don’t we just launch the patcher for WoW while we pick up GW2?
    GW2 and WoW: ……..

    What my main point is. Does Mists launch early or is it just a patch like all the ones before did? If its just a patch, well, you see where I am going.

    • Cody Moody

      It’s a patch and world event. Just like the other 3 expansions.

      • http://twitter.com/Toraneko9 Michael Lauria

        And downtime for patch day.

  • Ravenstorm

    Really Blizzard? Patch on the launchday of GW2? That’s just lame. It even feels somewhat childish to me. If this is the train of thought of WoW’s employees, good luck with that then.

    • Cody Moody

      It’s called “business” and “competition”. Welcome to America.

      • http://www.facebook.com/terry.little.39 Terry Little

         You should work for EA. That sentiment is very well respected there.

        • MMO_Doubter

           Thank goodness NCSoft and ANet are above all that.

          Oh, wait…

          • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

            Oh just shut up already; nobody cares what you think. 

      • Ravenstorm

        Lol, as Lore said: ‘on patchday, WoW is down cuz of the huge patch: let’s go get GW2 then!’ Yeah you’re the smart one there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/craig.gafoor Craig Gafoor

    WOW is fails long live the new king!

  • bsqminus4ac

    You don’t have to be a conspiracy theorist to know with complete certainty that the timing of Mists was chosen specifically to coincide with the release of GW2. It’s obvious. 

    Blizzard shows once again that they are classless (pun intended) and care only about having players on an endless treadmill so they can collect their monthly fee. I’m glad I jumped the WoW ship long ago. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Gerrettie-Jr/1287578323 Bill Gerrettie Jr

    So what, it’s a panda patch nuff said. Long live GW!

  • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

    I feel really bad for SWTOR, Blizzard didn’t do anything for SWTOR launch.  

    • Old Ben

      Actually, they waited for EA to announce SWTOR’s release date before announcing Cataclysm’s release date, and then picked a date two weeks before SWTOR.

      But that’s a big enough distance to allow for plausible deniability, and they actually released a real product ahead of the competition. 

      Releasing a patch (not even an actual expansion, with new content) on the exact date of GW2′s launch is a bit too crass, and just gives the impression that Blizzard is letting Arena Net set their schedule.

      • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

        Huh?

        World of Warcraft: Cataclysm was released on December 7, 2010.
        Star Wars: The Old Republic was released on December 20, 2011.

        Maybe you are trying to say Patch 4.3, “Hour of Twilight”, was released on November 29, 2011.

        You guys are reading way to much into the patch release.  In my GamebreakerTV posting for MoP over/under, I predicted the major patch would be a month before the release date awhile back.    While I predicted MoP would be released on Sept 18, putting Aug 21 as the big patch date. 

        • Old Ben

          Yes, I meant Dragon Soul (the end of the Cataclysm arc). Edited post above to make that clearer.

          • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

            You guys are just guessing.  But, with that said, this is inline with how I played SWTOR and Cata.   I would play SWTOR casually during the weekends and WoW during my regular scheduled raids on Tuesday through Thursday.   I’m just replacing SWTOR with GW2.

        • Josh Rosenvelt

          The point people are making is that they chose there official release date a month after GW2 was announced. It was a good business move and also to stop the bleeding of subs for the 3rd 1/4 which GW2 would of definitely had a impact on if they were releasing in November only.

          • Old Ben

            No, it was a terrible business move. A good business move would have been to start selling MoP before GW2 had even announced its release date.

            If Blizzard had let people start pre-ordering MoP in Q2, a lot of WoW players wouldn’t have checked GW2 at all. But they had no information about MoP, they knew that Blizzard usually releases expansions near December, and they knew GW2 was coming out in August, so they bought it. By the time Blizzard finally announced MoPs release date most of the damage was done. 

            Letting the competition call the shots is never a good business move when you’re the market leader.

  • DoctorOverlord

    GBTV had that picture waiting in the wings for this, didn’t you?  :)  

    And so it begins.   I feel like I should be hearing that spaghetti western soundtrack they always play when the two gunslingers face each other in the deserted street lol 

  • Josh Rosenvelt

    Well one thing I can tell you is that people are going to be taking raiding less seriously in MoP now that you don’t need to skill up to see the content. Premonition have called it quits, welcome to the world of dumbed down casualcraft. Goodluck to all those guilds trying to recruit dedicated and skilled players for MoP. You going to need it.lol

  • RockerDC3

    ActiBliz is obviously desperate. If hey were confident, this decision would not need to be considered. Arenanet won’t even flinch.

    Over/Under: Players playing a beta patch of an old and tired game or players playing a new release of a next-generation game?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Annis/100001855667183 Chris Annis

      people called swtor the next generation mmo lol 

      i do agree though that gw2 is a threat to wow, how ever with gw2 being just buy the box and play free. i dont see it making as big of a impact as alot of people think. as well as there is no raiding in gw2 so wow will still have that over gw2

      • RockerDC3

        There is raiding, it’s just better because you don’t need to organize as many people to participate if you can’t. Organized groups will still fare better, but they’ll be enhanced by the randoms that show up and increase the difficulty. 40+ player open-world raids put 15 & 25 player instanced raids to shame. Plus, everyone gets rewarded for participating, which increases enjoyment exponentially.

        GW2 isn’t really an immediate threat, which makes this announcement cowardly. Long-term, though, we’re going to see more GW2 clones than WoW clones.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Annis/100001855667183 Chris Annis

    pretty sure the scourge patch before wrath and the shattering patch before cata were all pretty much 1 month before the launch of the expansion so idk why people are even surprised