Blizzard's Warcraft Community Managers are called out by posters.

Written by: (Twitter @oliviadgrace - ) | November 7, 2012 2:53 pm

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There’s been some feedback coming in lately about Blizzard’s CMs, saying they’re too blunt, not constructive, and not doing a good job.

Zarhym has featured on GAMEBREAKER in the past week, being rather firm with a forumite about his complaints that the Raid Finder was mandatory, and he was in the same boat yesterday with a very similar thread about Dailies. Only in this thread on dailies, a player ticks Zarhym off about his attitude, saying that for the well-known Community Manager “to come into a thread (one that didn’t dignify a response) and basically condone certain behaviors through both the language he used and the context he used it in is quite disgraceful and reflects pretty poorly on both Blizzard and the CM team.” The poster goes on to say that “It is up to the CM, not the players, to set the standard when it comes to meaningful debate and conversation. Showing otherwise further condones bad behaviour and meaningless posts in this thread and others all over general.

As is often the case with online issues, this seems to have started a ball rolling, and there has been CM activity on a new thread, one that directly addresses the behavior of Community Managers. The OP of that thread asserts, among other things, that CMs are essentially customer service agents, and that therefore:

“The [CM] role is one where you are employed to have a thick skin, take a certain measure of abuse from the customer, and do so with a crap-eating grin. If the abuse of a certain individual is too much, they should be reported/banned/whatever. At no point should the [CM] talk down to the customer. Their job is to grin and bear it, regardless of how wrong the customer is. They tell them what they want to hear (and let’s not pretend that Blizzard doesn’t do this to us) so that they go away.” (CM has been added in both instances to avoid lengthier re-posting of the original thread)

CM Rygarius initially locked the thread, but later CM Zarhym reopened it, saying that it was a broader discussion about the role of the CMs, rather than direct complaints about a certain member of staff. He also posted a lengthy response, which I’ve placed below for your reading enjoyment! Zarhym is far from the only CM receiving complaints, though, as another thread thread specifically queries some of CM Draztal’s posts’ validity.

It leads to interesting discussion. Should the CMs be considered customer service, should they grin and bear it as the OP says, and should they turn the other cheek and try to keep their own opinions out of their posts, ensuring instead that they’re relaying the corporate image? Should CMs be able to call out trolls, or people they believe are flatly wrong? Can they do so without trolling themselves? Given the recent dismissal of a developer following a forum post, how careful do the CMs have to be?

See Zarhym’s response below

“We just don’t agree with this. I’d like to avoid a semantic argument so I’ll agree that, on some level, the community team is a form of customer support, as much as we’re also a function of public relations. But, while we’re linked directly to public relations as a communications branch at Blizzard, we’re not directly tied to customer support.

“One of the biggest components of our jobs is community engagement. We can’t effectively be functioning members of the community, relate to the community on a personal level, and maintain a two-day dialog in discussions which largely revolve around subjective experiences and opinion, if our job is to “grin and bear it.”

Everyday I’m sharing with the community on the forums, Twitter, and email my view of things, even as an official representative of Blizzard. I wouldn’t love my career so much if I didn’t actually believe what I’m saying or have the freedom to share my stance on things, or if my only role was to be someone’s mouthpiece. On a personal level, I approach the forums each day hoping I can do some good, share helpful insights or new information, and encourage people to want to come to the forums for constructive reasons — to speak reasonably and frankly about World of Warcraft with other players and representatives of Blizzard.”

Blizzard's Warcraft Community Managers are called out by posters.

  • http://www.facebook.com/peter.windey Peter Windey

    Well I think the notion that customer support should just ‘bear it and grin’ is ridiculous to start with. Respect needs to come from both sides, if the customer is being an obnoxious asshat there should be consequences. Same goes for the company representative.

    Anyway, more to the point. I read  Zarhym’s responses to both the LFR and dailies discussion. And even though I don’t agree on every point, replies like that are much more interesting to read then ‘we thank you for your feedback and take it into consideration’. If people are wrong or what they are saying is purely opinion and not fact this can and should be pointed out.

    So kudos to the CM’s for not being silly puppets

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Melissa-Cartun/662259376 Melissa Cartun

    LOL anyone on the WoW forums calling anyone else rude….hilarious!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Melissa-Cartun/662259376 Melissa Cartun

    I agree.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1260066056 Steven Diaz

    He was being direct.  I don’t see a problem with what he stated, he was just being completely honest.  People overreacted because they didn’t like being told the truth.  It’s their problem, he has nothing to apologize for or worry about.

  • http://twitter.com/cosmic_kirby CosmicKirby

    Damn, that corehound freaking loves you.  Did you have some bacon in your pants MikeB?

    Personally, from the multitude of MMOs I have played, I’d rather have obtuse and firm CM, then a bland and predictable one.  I have no issues with what happened, but I can see how the more consumer-minded individual can take issue with this. They’re still a customer, and if a representative of the company says something they feel wronged by (likely because it’s in text form) they are allowed to voice a complaint about it.  
    I still like Zarhym, and I respect him for being frank when any other CM would simply spew out a generic response to the events.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4UDLBCLTHKU7L5PAT3YZT6GY4E Anthony

    the crying baby’s in wow needs to quite i’m tired of all the dumb ass  in crying about everything if your not happy quite the damn game shit its not hard

    • http://twitter.com/Luke_Malcolm Luke Malcolm

      I agree, the people on the forums are getting so butt hurt over Zarhym telling them the truth. Seriously I hope these kind of people leave the game cause I’m honestly tired of all the whinning myself.

  • http://twitter.com/kirzanSix Michael Coulombe

    CMs should definitely NOT be allowed to talk like they’re at home, in trade chat, when posting as a blue. Seriously, the guy is PAID to talk to people on forums and/or twitter. He’s being paid to do so. This is like going to a car wash, you pull in, a bum comes out of a door and washes your windows. It is NOT what you paid for.

    I would much rather have the robot macro text starting with “Thank you for whatever”, than a “dude, you’re the problem here!”. You are NOT supposed to argue, or start an argument, when you’re a community manager. You have answers, not questions.

    • http://www.facebook.com/peter.windey Peter Windey

      And this is why we can’t have nice things. You say it correctly, he is paid to *talk* to the players. Not be a mindless drone. And then you go on to say that eventhough he is being paid to talk he shouldn’t do his job.

      Facilitating discussions is part of the role of a community manager, if this means asking questions or telling people they are wrong, so be it.

      What you want you need to go to a GM for or CS representative. Sure a lot of people might fail to make the distinction but should we have to live in a world where everything is being brought down to the level of the lowest common denominator? I really hope not.

  • http://www.facebook.com/andelormon David Scott

    People are to sensitive. Any time someone says, or types something and they don’t like it then it is rude. Being blunt, or direct id not being rude.

  • http://twitter.com/willypallen William Allen

    You are now entering the Internet
    Population = Asshole

  • http://twitter.com/Luke_Malcolm Luke Malcolm

    I agree, the people on the forums are getting so butt hurt over Zarhym telling them the truth. Seriously I hope these kind of people leave the game cause I’m honestly tired of all the whinning myself.

  • Ravenstorm

    CM’s are getting paid to be diplomatic. By WoW customers. How smart is it to have attitude towards customers? Not so smart. Unfourtionately, people are pretty abhorrent when it comes to most things internet related . CM’s should be able to be very straightforward, without being offensive, so to respond in the most direct manner. Try it yourself to stay calm after years of complaintive nagging from customers. The only way to get by that is to have steel discipline. And after many years of service, I find it disgusting that people complain about Zarhym for such a trivial matter. Chill out people. Take a pill. Do some sauna. Draw a baby panda. 

    • Nick Cattane

      I handle exec and regulatory corr. for my 10,000 + employee company - Any agent of a company should reflect their companies values while participating in any company related practice – I guarantee Blizz’s employee handbook indicates this.  If you don’t like working in the people business and dealing with this aspect of your job – you should find a different job.  Of course customers can be asses, but even if you are not “customer support” – you are still an agent and rep. of your company and should act accordingly.  I highly doubt the position’s description includes, “Be rude and/or negative to your customers and represent Blizzard in a negative light.” For these scenarios you are simply supposed to disengage/shutdown the user’s ability to make comments/etc – not respond.

      • Ravenstorm

        I find it highly doubtfull telling Zarhym to go find another job for responding and-or being rude, which is higly susceptible to different opinions, a affordable attitude towards either the company nor the customers. I suspect you to be more lenient towards your day to day assigments. Well, I hope so.

        • Nick Cattane

          I only indicated this individual should find another job if he can’t handle his responsibilities accordingly and/or is dissatisfied with his role, which is advice I would give anyone including upper management regarding their employees.

        • Ravenstorm

          I was joking on that kitten thing. A joke. Just sayin’.

          • Nick Cattane

            No worries – I have thick skin and actually rather enjoy that part of my job deals with customer inquiries (mostly complaints) ;) .  My whole point though is as agents of a company they should rep. their company well – that’s their whole point of existance.  Service customers, promote the company, etc. <3

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/YSVAPKVBUPTX6YS3W2DLPOBNN4 AlokP

            I think he’s repping Blizzard pretty well when he’s blunt and direct with morons. ;)

          • Nick Cattane

            If you read through the thread, it’s hardly just being “blunt”.  He goes to the degree of mocking the writing style of the user.  Again, I don’t support the trolls, complainers, etc. but from a business standpoint the CM should respectfully disagree, not stoop to the poster’s level.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/W76UOX2IDTRMMYTPASSJDLXLRM Bob

    Go Zarhym! Butthurt idiots always will be the bane of MMO’s.

  • http://twitter.com/Hoigwai Hoigwai

    The people who can’t handle being treated like an intelligent person need to stop and re-read.
    They aren’t here to kiss your butt. They are here to communicate. 

  • http://twitter.com/Critzkreig Cody Moody

    WAAAH WAAAH He said I don’t have to do my dailies every day to be good at the game!!! FIRE HIM.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Smith/100000531128393 Ian Smith

    About time they handled their business. 

  • http://twitter.com/NerdnGeekInc Raven Frosth

    Yea customer service sucks bcuz the costumer is put forth as always being right but they’re not, when they don’t know all the facts.  But half the time is the company policy that makes the stuff that are wrong right, and that’s where all the issues are spun around.  I’ve done my share of CS at a retail lvl at a phone center so yes you might get your self in trouble, because some people do things they shouldn’t and if you tell the costumer that is wrong and they call back and want to talk to your manager first and the manager comes back and basically breaks their own rule to make the costumer satisfactory. so there is no win win in CS.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tj-Vossos/647768691 Tj Vossos

    Its about time blue’s stopped beating around the bush and told players how it is, with the amount of BS posted daily about LFR and Dailies.  I am surprised this did not happen sooner, and i am surprised the response of don’t like it stop playing isn’t thrown at these people. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/brianlikesithot Brian Chapman

    The only viable argument that can be made is about the way a CM conveys their opinions, not the actual conveying of said opinion.  If they are close minded and arrogant about it, it can be said that they are doing their company a disservice by being a general douche. 

    But, a CM in short is not a customer service representative.  They are more a part of public relations as he said but also any video game company can be seperated into two sides outside of direct development team of one spectrum.  On one side its the customer service and on the other side administration.  I would say that the CM is much deeper into the administrative side of that spectrum, despite their heavy usage of public relations.

  • http://www.facebook.com/taran.harmonwalker Taran Harmon-Walker

    Zarhym’s responses lately *have* been pretty inane.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/4ZW4CE3J3XWWNHFWORYZ34QEVE Bastin

    Who gives a fuck. The wow community is a bunch of pussies who say stupid shit and hide behind their computers. If they cant deal with tough CM’s but can deal out stupid shit like memes and troll gchat then they can go fuck themselves.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kris-Yeisley/554290488 Kris Yeisley

    He wasn’t just being direct. He was being rude and condescending to a paying customer.

    • Composure

       It seems entitlement stretches beyond the in-game scene now. Get over yourself.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kris-Yeisley/554290488 Kris Yeisley

        You’re damn right I’m entitled to friendly and professional public relations or I’ll take my money elsewhere. Get it, moron?

        • Composure

          You aren’t entitled to ANYTHING. You are not a unique snowflake who deserves to be treated specially, if you say something stupid, prepare to get your comeuppance, like right now, for example. Being treated with baby gloves for so long has made you into said baby, grow some thicker skin and some balls while you’re at it. Go ahead and take your business elsewhere. “Moron”.

          • Whaaaaaaaa99

             If you’re PAYING for a “PRODUCT” then yes, YOU ARE.

            If I call Ford because something isn’t working as advertised with my car, and they tell me to go shove myself, I’m not buying a ford again.

            YOU’RE a very astute businessman, although I would bet that you haven’t passed fourth grade yet.

          • http://openid.aol.com/jpuffer87 Justin Pfeifer

            It’s a service your paying for not a product and if you and Kris Yeisley want to leave feel free no one will shed a tear.

          • JJversion1

            Although I can’t really disagree with Composure to a certain extent, I do feel; though; that if you’re in that kind of business, where you have a consumer base, you need to use a bit of tact. There is a way to convey your opinion w/o coming off like a complete jerk, even if the complaintant is being rude one should never lower themselves to that person’s level and disgrace themselves to get their point across. If that costumer is being a total jerk and refuses to listen to reason, then the CM has the right to refuse to service that particular costumer from that point on. So in closing, no it wouldn’t make too much of a difference, early on, if a CM gets rude with costumers and they quit using their product, however it will make a big impact if that CM continues that pattern of behavior and causes more costumers to continue to leave. What do you think would happen to that CM, eventually, if Blizz continues to lose those valuable consumers?

  • Kagitaar

    Yeah, all I see here is a bunch of people who’ve grown up in a world where telling an idiot they are wrong is a sin. Zarhym was being direct, but respectful, (more than I can say I would do with these ‘people’) pointing out that posters were complaining that they have to do, shudder, in-game tasks to be in tip-top raiding shape. Sounds to me like the complainers started raiding in FL/DS, mooching flasks, summons and food off of guildies.

  • http://twitter.com/NaamahNeko Anna

     Zarhym’s argument would be more plausible if he were to ever outright say “(this feature) of WoW/Blizzard sucks. I can’t explain it.”  He only ever presents things in negative lights when Blizz okays it, that is, when they are working on a solution to the perceived problem, even if a solution isn’t yet in place. Though he is an effective Blizz employee in that he didn’t address the actual post, which basically accused the Blues of trolling, or falling victim to trolling.

    Though this does confirm the theory we’ve had for years: Want a Blue to answer? Mention how unprofessional they can be. They’ll swarm your thread with reasons you’re wrong.

    It’s certainly a tough middle ground. At least you get the sense that CMs play the game from time to time, (something that Ghostcrawler’s statements such as, “we think warrior (pvp) damage is where it needs to be” can make you wonder).  And ultimately that’s what the community wants I think, the sense that Blizz’s reps understand what we’re talking about. If you have someone trying to talk away player concerns but it’s obvious they don’t play the game, well…well I guess you’d just be Gary Gannon.

    • Ravenstorm

      Hahaha. Owwww Gary got burrrrned. But he does present his lack of knowledge very well, doesn’t he? Respect for the voicinator o/

  • http://twitter.com/HallusH HallusH

    when people want answers, but dont get the answers they wanted they feel butthurt.

  • http://www.facebook.com/inkogni.alex Inkogni Alex

    think the slip up might happen on D3 side, that place is taking it rough after the game launched
    10$ “good job Blizz” 95% of hate (i know its 105%)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sven-Jack-Cept-Janssen/1473006061 Sven Jack Cept Janssen

    its Panderrida

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