Blizzard Removes Follow Command From WoW Battlegrounds

Written by: (@oliviadgrace) | March 7, 2013 7:53 am

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In the latest development of Blizzard’s war on bots in WoW Battlegrounds, the latest World of Warcraft, Mists of Pandaria patch, 5.2, has removed the /follow command from PvP.

Blizzard’s Senior Community Manager Bashiok has commented on the stealth removal of this command in the official US forums:

We disabled /follow from use in battlegrounds to curb some of the most basic types of bots that use the command. We chose not to communicate it beforehand in attempts to catch as many bots unaware as possible. Removing /follow in battlegrounds is one small change we can make immediately to stop a number of bots, and those that choose to transition to more overt botting methods will have a much higher chance of being caught and banned.

We did consider those who use /follow for other reasons, including multiboxing, before making the change. Multiboxing in battlegrounds has been a long-fought battle within the community, as the effect of multiboxers in those situations is considered unfavorable by many. When we were looking to make a change to disable a command used by bots, which would benefit the game as a whole, we were ok with it also resulting in multiboxing in battlegrounds also going away due to the poor experience it can create for others.

Right now /follow is also disabled in Arenas, but we’re looking to revert that change as bots don’t typically exist in Arenas, and multiboxing in that kind of pre-determined group environment doesn’t tend to be as disruptive.

What’s your take on this? It seems to us at GAMEBREAKER that the number of players irritated by bots in Battlegrounds, and indeed by Multiboxers, far outnumbers the amount of players who rely on the /follow command to multibox in WoW Battlegrounds. Certainly, as Bashiok notes, this won’t get rid of any but the most basic of bots, but it’s still a step in the right direction, and at least shows that Blizzard remains committed to the removal, or at least suppression, of botting in WoW. Of course, a lot of what they do to stop the bots has to remain behind the scenes, as, if they announce all the changes, it makes it easier for botters to work around them.

And is the loss of multiboxers in WoW Battlegrounds such a great one? Many times, I’ve seen a gang of five characters wreaking havoc in random Battlegrounds, where their co-ordinated attacks on one player are almost unstoppable, unless in a large zone where a co-ordinated team can take them out. They cause a multitude of complaints, and, as Bashiok notes, they’re considered unfavorable by many in the community, perhaps with the exception of the players who are actually multiboxing themselves.

However, perhaps a revocation of the change would be reasonable in arenas, as Bashiok notes, as well as in rated battlegrounds where, as he says “multiboxing in that kind of pre-determined group environment doesn’t tend to be as disruptive“.

What do you think?

Blizzard Removes Follow Command From WoW Battlegrounds

  • http://www.facebook.com/bkdornbusch Brian Keith Dornbusch

    good! Multiboxing is bullshit

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754168227 Len Hobbel

       why is it BS people are paying to run multiple accounts. it is their money and honestly in WOW running wow toon is pretty boring. I started wow running 2 then 3 was a bit more fun and since I actually controlled them manually it was very interesting…though I did have some macros that scripted them into a bot but rarely used it. most of the time it was normal macros  to shield heal and dot. But WOW is far to easy to just run a single toon. I went from lineage 2 which was a nightmare and ran 2 accounts got into wow and was like umm…no challenge with 1 and even 2 was barely a challenge 

      But if one is paying for those accounts why would anyone care…Its like I own several vehicles and people actually bitch that i dont need them…WHO cares my money no one gets hurt…I think it is jealous really that someone can ONLY afford 1 wow account and running more then one is beyond their ability.

      Eh,,,but you are entitled to your thoughts.  I am pretty sure blizzard loved me and my 3 +1 account ( plus one was a friends account I also paid for )

      • Joey

        You own multiple vehicles, sure.  But do you drive them all at the same time? Unless you drive ALL of them at the same time, that is a horrible analogy for multiboxing.

        Multiboxing is a pox on PvP.  If you can’t manage to PvP with one account, or grouping up with other people, then you can’t PvP.  When you need to add multiple toons all doing the exact same thing, to get 3, 4 or 5 toons attacking the exact same thing the exact same way, you’re not good at PvP.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754168227 Len Hobbel

          Then most in WOW suck at PVP since everyone jumps 1 at a time…rarely see a good 1 vs 1 in a battle ground…

           nothing like 10 people targeting you and killing you….10 shitty pvpers  least according to what you said above.

            Dont know how many times I was minding my own business and a dozen shitty pvpers jumped me….couldnt go 1 on 1 NOPE had to 10 gangbang…You are right about that…cant go one on one…ya do suck bad….You sir are correct

          But it is still fun to raid running multiple toons  makes a real challenge and WOWS raids are so damn easy addons that do 99% of everything…It is refreshing to play games without addons lately.

          I am not dual boxing in any games I am playing ATM.

          But always my choice and they do make money and it is and always will be about the money. Thats why blizzard has been unbanning a lot of perma bans…they want more money….greedy fucks lol

          But you are right if you need numbers to win in PVP you do suck..

          but dont say that to loud you will upset all of the wow pvp world of GANK by numbers :)

          • Joey

            I didn’t say if you couldn’t do it 1 vs. many, I said if you needed to have the exact same toons doing the exact same thing at the exact same time.  Having 5v5 or 10v10 or whatever is fine, if the 5 on your team are 5 different people.  Even if you’re all playing the same class, with the same equipment and the same build, you’re not going to be able to sync up and do the exact same thing at the exact same time.  Each toon is controlled by 1 person.

            Having 5 accounts, all running duplicates of the exact same toon, is different.  The only skill it takes is the skill to multibox, not the skill needed to PvP (and please, no comments about the skill needed to PvP, not debating that right now.  *smile*)  But if you can’t PvP on your own, against 1, or PvP in a group of 5 or more REAL people, each playing their own toon, against another 5, then no, you can’t PvP.

          • http://www.facebook.com/tiernan.reyneke Tiernan Reyneke

            WOWS raids are so damn easy addons that do 99% of everything.
            That right there is the problem. Have you ever considered doing them without any addons whatsoever?

        • Harry Hodini

          When you learn how to PVP, you’ll realize 5 players working as a team on Teamspeak is far better and more powerful than a 5 boxer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=754168227 Len Hobbel

    Bah  easy to get around….I always triple boxed in PVP, it can be down with a simple script / addon.   Please….Blizzard you are so far behind this stuff.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/inkogni.alex Inkogni Alex

    like that will stop them, i can come up with few ways to still have X accounts doing the same movements.
    I don’t like boxers in BG, its supposed to be X number of players VS same number of players on the other side ( or close to it )

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=23331060 Nathan Solinsky

    I played this game since the beginning, and long ago came to realize it’s completely corrupted by bots, hacks, mods, cheats, and gold buying.  Your not playing with other people, your playing cheat scripts and other people’s bank accounts.  Good riddance as of a year ago.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=714772938 Mark Ryan Strong

    I do not have the correct knowledge on the ability of coders to comment on the scope of how this will affect multi-boxers. However, in regards to those with disabilities I believe that blizzard has the capabilities to provide them with a separate tool set within the game. For example, lets say they have them verify this information from a doctor and then individually grant that single account with permissions from the server side to prevent the extrapolation of code from the client. 

    As always I’m sure if enough people who are disabled wish to play their game, blizzard will look into how they can properly service that audience without affecting the game play for the rest of us. 

  • Dekin

    I havent got a problem with this.  I hated multiboxers in PvP. Honestly I dont know a lot about what it takes to multibox, I figure there is a way around it.  It sounds like Blizzard knows that, and those ways are either more difficult or may violate terms of agreement giving them the ability to ban accounts.

  • http://www.MasterRenny.com/ Thomas Renshaw

    LOL blizzard just cut another portion of their subscriptions

  • Dennis Schmidt

    As a software engineer, I do marvel at the ingenuity and skill it takes to setup a multiboxing rig, or at least the work that was done by the pioneers, but I am baffled how anybody cannot see this activity as cheating.  I was equally disappointed by Blizzard for so long implicitly approving this behavior, probably only because a multiboxer requires multiple paid accounts, something Blizzard clearly benefits from.  

    I am sure this won’t be the end of multiboxers, but at least it is a step in the right direction.

    • John Doe

      For a software engineer you have a narrow view . Blizz allowed multiboxig so its not cheating as they call it “its clever use of mechanics”, they pay 2-5 accounts so they have the same rights as you do. And now blizz comes and posibly faqs them up,  they never stop to amaze whit there shitty fixes of pvp.
      And no i dont multibox never did and never will i dont even play this game anymore a long time ago i did but something changed whit the game or whit me, but i like this site for some obscure motive.

      • Dennis Schmidt

        So apparently I have a narrow view as a software engineer, hmmmm, you know which software engineers have “open” minds?  Virus creators. 

      • mvaning

        So blizzard does something to stop botting and makes the game more balanced as a side effect.      This is now narrow minded and a shitty fix? The only narrow minded view is one that encourages paying for more accounts to win.    That’s not “open minded”, its absurd and unfair.

        • John Doe

          When you fix something you fix that specific problem, you dont cause other to clients just because you cant come up whit a real fix after at least 5 years. 
          Multiboxing is not a cheat, it is allowed by blizz so its fair. He pays 5 times more then you, controls 5 chars not one so its more hard.
          Accept the fact that the multiboxer its a more skilled player then you are and yes he can afford paying for 5 accounts.
          Get it in your 

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1074039741 Janne Sanis Prokkola

          There are ppl who use /follow to something else than botting and i bet blizzard didn’t even thought about it… Dunno why would you think this fix would only affect bots and bring more “balance” 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=619612422 Corey Hernandez

    Death to multiboxing forever. I notice most of the games I really enjoy dont allow you to even run multiple clients of the same program simultaneously on one computer. I always disliked and thought that person isn’t doing 5 times the work and getting this result they are just cloning the same action to every account.. That’s cheap and I consider cheating without breaking the rules. Does multiboxing create a positive environment for everyone else? No it doesn’t. Only the user is having fun feeling OP effective eliminating the possibility of ever fighting 1v1 or having a fair fight in general. Hope they get even stricter on this as time goes on. This was one of the few reasons I quit pvping in WoW.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1074039741 Janne Sanis Prokkola

      Did you do any arena or RBG? i mean it’s pretty weird that you would quit pvping just because of multiboxers… i have around 5-6k bgs played with all my chars and i remember around 5 times i have even seen a multiboxer… what were the other reasons?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=619612422 Corey Hernandez

        I quit pvping before RBG was even put into the game. Multiboxing was a problem for years and was never dealt with. I prefer large battlegrounds and open world pvp which is dead thanks to BG’s in general. I dont enjoy arena’s at all there’s always 1 or 2 dominate classes and it rotates based on whatever the latest patch is. The PVE content is still strong but pvp enjoyment level dropped way off over the years due to changes in design theory.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7Y3SQ6JNX4MBSMFLHV7DWVL4LQ DC

    Good deal. Watch the tears flow. ‘Bout time.

  • http://twitter.com/izumicookie Izumi

    No, as far as I’m concerned it is pretty much pay to win.

    My reasoning is as follows:

    If you attack one player with five bound characters under the control of one player, that player being attacked is instantly killed where as if five different players attack one player they are going to attacking that person in five different ways with five different abilities which is more counterable and survivable.

    I’m not too concerned with it because I don’t see them at all in Arena or RBGs. I don’t do random battlegrounds other than at the start of an expansion to get starter gear to improve for rated play.

    Blizzard has never had any ruling against it, but that doesn’t mean that they didn’t frown upon it and several blues from the forums have frowned upon it in the past (and just recently) but stated it wasn’t against the ToS. It more than likely wasn’t against the ToS is because Blizzard was getting additional money.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/W76UOX2IDTRMMYTPASSJDLXLRM Bob

      I completely agree. Now these multiboxing losers will actually have to learn to play than bulling others with their wallet.

  • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

    Good to hear. I still suspect the new 27,000 CP milestone might lead to more multi-boxers and bots.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PUJVR5QE4EWMR7QHDOJ4NRHJUY ~CC~

    I agree with removing multiboxing now  the multiboxing players will have to learn to play and  more importantly play with the other players in the battle ground

    • Harry Hodini

      My 5 man arena team (we got gladiator last season btw) wrecked a 20 person group in a normal AV. Guess we need to learn how to play, huh?

  • http://twitter.com/DanielReasor Daniel Reasor

    Doesn’t Olivia’s struggle to name a legitimate use for /follow tell the whole story?

    • Dennis Schmidt

      She did at the end, blind folks do make great use of it, and I really regret they are going to pay the price for multiboxers.

      • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

        The two stories I remember are both raiders.  Once is a range dps who uses /follow and /assist to dps during raids.  The other is a legally blind gamer who tanks for the raid. The raid leader would mark the boss and the vision-limited gamer would immediately taunt and attack.

        I do wonder if they can still play WoW with the encounter design in Mists.  The raid encounters have a more involved tanking and stricter dps/movement requirements. 

  • http://twitter.com/Dope_Danny Danny Smith

    I remember back in cata when i kept getting into bgs with a guy multiboxing as 8 gnome blood dks in the top conquest gear. He was on my side and i felt cheap watching him just cap everything in eye of the storm with no possible competition. Its obscenely cheap to have someone playing something like 4 or more shammys, dks or boomkins for example and just one by one just pounding down horde players who had no chance against 4 or more full conquest enemies just whailing on them at once.

    I know multiboxers say “but its fun and i am paying for all the accounts!” but the bots are bad enough right now ruining bgs with a crap ton of unbalanced, perfectly co-ordinated alts controlled by one player just doing the equivalent of launch sc2′s void ray rush with no chance of failure.

    Basically its just not fair. PvP is meant to be healthy competition between players, the spec balancing is unbalancing enough as it is. None of us want to be the guy targeted by one dude with 4 or more of the same toons class and spec at once, and nobody who enjoys pvp wants to be the guy on the multiboxers side who ends the match feeling like it was a dishonest cheese fest.

    • Deathstar2x

      Isn’t the maximum group-queue size 5?

      • Eric Davenport

        They used to have addons to queue bigger groups until those were also banned. We used to have 20 people from our guild in the same AV to farm honor.

    • Harry Hodini

      So if a team of 5 people on Teamspeak queue as a group, this is cheating?

  • http://twitter.com/Dope_Danny Danny Smith

    and of course thats not even mentioning the douchebags who start a bg on follow because they want honour but dont want to actually play…

  • http://twitter.com/oneblkbutterfly BlkButterfly

    Nothing of value has been lost.

  • cyberpunkhobo

    WoW has been holding upstanding members of the multiboxing community hostage for far too long. Of course, it’s no wonder why. With seductive features like /follow (formerly), /assist, click-to-move and interact-with-target, WoW is–by far–the most multiboxing-friendly MMO on the market. Hopefully, this change encourages more multiboxers to branch out and give other MMOs a try.

    Go forth and multiply my multiboxing brethren. Let the internet hear you roar.

  • tawnos42

    Never have understood how WoW multiboxing in PVP would be effective.  I can’t image a multiboxer’s rig would be even close to as effective as 5 independent players.  Most of the comparisons are moronic – if you run up against 5 multiboxers solo and get stomped, its because you ran into a 5v1 not because of multiboxing.  If you and four other people get simultaneously stomped by an equally geared group of 5 multiboxers that would be a different story but in cases of equivalent gear I can’t image that happens very often.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      Typically the 5 multiboxer is not attempting to be effective, they are wandering the BG farming kills, hoping an enemy flag carrier runs past them.  If you have a team of five independent players, you typically go after the enemy flag carrier. Then you might consider breaking up the multiboxers party. 

       

      • tawnos42

        Exactly my point.  People are complaining about the multiboxer having an ‘unfair advantage’ but unless they are incredibly coordinated you simply avoid them and turn the rest of the map into a 10v5 or a 15v10 in your favour.  If they occasionally pick you off before you can get away with 5 mages arcane blasting you simultaneously who cares – if you can’t turn the rest of the map dramatically to your advantage then the remaining part of the other team is simply so much better they deserve to win even if it is with a multiboxer as part of their team.

  • Gabby Goblin

    So you are against players being dominated by multiboxers in battlegrounds?  Because of this they should join RBGs.  What about players in battlegrounds being dominated by premades?  Why is one group having an unfair advantage > another?  It seems like a double standard.

  • Scott Dacey

    I don’t see the difference between fighting five players vs fighting five players. Regardless if they’re being controlled by one player or five individuals. About the /follow being removed in battlegrounds, I’m neutral. Don’t mind either way.

  • 0_Fyrebrand_0

    I don’t know why they ever tolerated multiboxers to begin with. All things being equal, it unfairly benefits the player who has multiple characters going at once. They put in the same time/effort that any of us regular players do, but they want to get 2/3/4/5 times the progress and rewards for it.
    Also, unless you assume that the multiboxer is actually several times more skilled and effective than every other player in the battleground, then you have this one loser essentially weighing down his whole team by that much. And because he’s always going to have his characters lumped together, that one guy gets more than one “vote” as it were, with regards to where people go and what they attack/defend. It’s just not how the game was designed or intended to be played, and it’s completely contrary to the spirit of fairness. Obviously, these people have some unfair advantage in doing this — if they didn’t, no one would be multiboxing.

  • Shadowtalis

    If you pay for something, and then use that product in a manner that wasn’t intended, you lose your right to complain when your get called on your bs.

    Why is it a form of cheating?

    Sad that this has to be spelled out… It’s not about the players being attacked. It’s about one player being several times more effective. Quantity has a quality all it’s own, as the saying goes. The multiboxer uses an overwhelming advantage to squash their opponents. That’s NOT five different players working together to achieve something. It’s one player, a single individual, granting themselves four or five times the usual amount of raw damage dealing ability.

    On top of that. The reason boxers play random battlegrounds is because of the general lack of team work and coordination found there. That’s just the nature of a random BG. In this environment a single player controlling several characters has even more of an advantage as far as bulldozing every objective in their way.

  • Harry Hodini

    This only helps out the solo queued people who are undergeared and don’t know how to PVP.

    It Multiboxing is so powerful, why don’t they dominated Rated BG’s and Arena? How come hardly any have Gladiator titles with mounts?

    Also, for the multiboxers that state they are quitting, the people against boxers state, “Good riddance, your numbers are so low you won’t affect subscription numbers.”
    Well, if their numbers are so low, what are the people against boxxing QQing so loud? If the multiboxers population is so low, you should hardly see them in BG’s. 

    If the people that are happy that Multiboxing is gone, why are you ok with Group Queing for Normal BG’s? 5 man arena teams that got Gladiator with full arena gear are far more devastating in a BG.

    Also, this will affect no bots in WOW like the Devs stated. Botting use programming to set waypoints as how to move. This is like the Music Industry banning 8 track players in order to get people to download more songs digitally.

  • http://twitter.com/dohcheezits Doh Cheezus

     I never multi-boxed in battlegrounds, however I did in the regular game world, however I am upset for my bg brethren. For those who call it cheating to multi-box, you are wrong. One player might be more effective, but it is the same as 5 people teaming up and doing the same thing, only it is less effective than 5 people teaming up. Multi-boxers aren’t a problem, you would be just as mad if 5 people teamed up against you, only you know there is 1 guy behind the 5 toons, so you focus all the anger on the 1 guy.

    • http://twitter.com/TuxPants Light Yagami

      Because everyone in BG’s focus fire and burn down players just as easily as multi-boxers. Boxers don’t auto-win bg games EVER. Oh wait.

  • http://twitter.com/tordr86 Tor-Sigurd

    Good move from Blizzard

  • http://www.facebook.com/woopdydoo Dana Taylor

    You left out the huge investment that multiboxers have made (cost of accounts, time leveling teams, etc). I have been boxing for 6 years and “had” 16 accounts. All wasted now.

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