Top Five Guild Wars 2 Activities To Cure The Max Level Blues


Written by: (@richieprocopio) | October 15, 2012 11:51 am

Top Five Guild Wars 2 Activities To Cure The Max Level Blues
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Some single player roleplaying games have a level cap that your character(s) can achieve.  Reaching this limit of progression does not, however, signify the end of the game.  There’s still the main storyline to complete, the world to explore, and the achievements to earn.  It’s interesting that in MMOs attaining maximum level has a different connotation and set of expectations.  There’s been ample chattering regarding the lack of a true endgame in Guild Wars 2 and equal amounts of response to the contrary.  Most of this controversy stems from the lack of raiding and gear progression at level 80.  No matter how much ArenaNet points to their design manifesto or haters rail against it, the truth is that the enjoyment of the Guild Wars 2 endgame experience is determined by an individual’s preference and what they make of it.

Different things motivate different players.  As I’ve mentioned in other articles, some gamers may not enjoy horizontal progression.  Others may miss scheduling raid nights with teams of 10 or more people in order to take on the biggest bosses in the game.  But if you’re not bothered by the absence of these MMO conventions and are looking for things to do, then allow me to present the top not-so-obvious max-level experiences in Guild Wars 2.

mmorpg guild wars 2 mmorpg     Bored At Level 80?Experience the Meta Events

Many players aren’t familiar with meta events despite there being one or more in almost every single zone in Guild Wars 2.  Have you ever wondered what that orange text is underneath the personal story and event box in the top right corner of the screen?  That text gives you the meta event status for the area that you’re in.  Even when there is nothing going on, that text will say something like “The Maw is quiet” so you don’t have to wonder if you’re missing something elsewhere in the zone.  Meta events tell the major storylines present in the area and many unlock special boss encounters—like the Shatterer—to battle.  Completing meta events can also open up temporary access to special areas, such as the Flame Temple Tombs mini-dungeon.  Completing meta events take a bit of research, coordination with other players, and timing, but many of these encounters are epic and not to be missed!

Go Beyond 100% Map Completion

One of my pet peeves is when someone says, “I gave it 110%” because that’s impossible and, frankly, sounds idiotic.  But in Guild Wars 2, there is still more to experience even after achieving 100% map completion.  Many of the maps include clandestine areas that aren’t included in the exploration achievements and not highlighted by points of interest or vistas.  In the Wayfarer Foothills, for example, the Shamans Rookery jumping puzzle is hidden in a cave along the western side of the zone.  Another example is found in the Harathi Hinterlands where the giant, Kol Skullsmasher, guards the Hidden Ourobon.  Don’t be afraid to explore and go off the beaten path, as you’ll never know what kind of adventure (and trouble) you will find.

Hone Your sPvP Skillsmmorpg guild wars 2 mmorpg     Bored At Level 80?

Structured PvP may seem like an obvious endgame activity to do regardless of level, but thanks to a recent ArenaNet blog post, players should find even more motivation to start practicing.  In addition to the already available free automated tournaments, players will soon be able to participate in paid automated tournaments.  These new tournaments require a premade team and entry tickets in order to compete.  The higher stakes come with higher rewards, however, and the top two teams will actually earn gems for efforts!  ArenaNet is also going to allow PvPers to rent custom arenas where they can practice strategies with guildmates or set up scrimmages against other teams.  If you’re the competitive type who enjoys perfecting your build and executing team-based strategy, then look forward to these additions coming “when it’s ready”.

Stand Out By Grinding

Yes, I said grinding.  Guild Wars 2 is full of optional grinds and the fact that they aren’t required to participate in any aspect of the game is freeing.  But, let’s face it.  When we log into these virtual MMO worlds we want to stand out from the crowds.  We want to be different.  We want to inspire envy from our fellow players by obtaining loot, titles, or some other in-game prestige that makes us feel unique.  Players with abundant amounts of free time (or steadfast determination) can achieve special snowflake status by engaging in some of the game’s most lengthy endeavors.  Snazzy titles are one way to get some recognition and can be earned in various ways.  The Miniature Collector title is obtained by rounding up 54 of the little rascals while those that explore the entire world can show off their “Been There, Done That” accolade with a fancy star next to their name.  There are also a plethora of PvP and WvW titles, such as “Slayer”, which is granted to those who slay 2000 foes.

Legendary weapons are the pinnacle of these activities, awarding persistent players with some of the most spectacular particle effects in any MMO.  Who doesn’t want to walk around leaving liquid metal footprints in your wake or slay throngs of grawl with rainbow-trailed arrows shot from your unicorn bow?  And for the truly resourceful (and slightly unstable) there’s the Eternity greatsword, which requires you to combine two legendaries together to acquire it.  The blade on this double legendary sword glistens with alternating day and night cycles and is sure to turn the heads of all who walk past it.

mmorpg guild wars 2 mmorpg     Bored At Level 80?Create Your Own Adventure In WvW

We’re not even two months into the life of Guild Wars 2 and I don’t think we’ve scratched the surface of the potential fun of World vs. World yet.  Most of us have experienced the thrill of defending a keep and raining down death with a line of arrow carts.  We know the monotony that comes with hammering at a surprisingly robust gate without the help of siege weapons.  We’ve followed an over-sized zerg as they’ve mowed unsuspecting enemies to the ground in nanoseconds.  But World vs. World can be so much more and all it takes is a little creativity and a few friends.

For example, drink a random tonic and assume the form of a defenseless critter.  Then strut your moa stuff to bait and peel an observant invader or two from a pack of enemies.  As they give chase, drop down off a small cliff or around a hidden bend to lead them to your awaiting friends.  Just when they think they’re going to make quick work of a solo prankster, the hunters become the prey!  The same trick works if you lure a few enemies underwater where your hidden allies can send them to their watery graves.  Make sure your aquatic weapons and breathing mask are fully upgraded and you’ll have an advantage over the many players that ignore those equipment slots.

When competing in WvW try to channel your inner child who used to make snow forts and assault the neighbor’s tree houses.  Back then our imaginations were unbridled and our creativity was endless.  Go into WvW with your friends and think back to those simpler days.  Claim a tower and defend it like it’s your own backyard!  Get into the heads of your opponents and realize that many groups in WvW are disorganized and all it takes is some simple planning to overcome foes with greater numbers.

The level 80 activities in Guild Wars 2 may not match all of the expectations that gamers place on MMOs these days.  But there is no denying that there is plenty to do for those that seek it out.  And while the lack of raiding and gear progression may turn some players off, the beauty of the no subscription model means they can take a break and come back when ArenaNets’ live teams inject new content into the world of Tyria.  What are the activities you’re enjoying at level 80?  Share your stories with us in the comments below.


  • http://profile.yahoo.com/WZ324KCWGCMJENR2ZFFTCK3QP4 Blaze

    i loved GW2 but gear progression is necessary imo..

    • JJGlyph

      Nah. I’m bored with the end game, but it’s definitely not bc of lack of gear progression. The first GW had such an open and crazy skill system that the game was fun long after you maxed your character.

      Gear progression isn’t fun.

      • http://www.facebook.com/samuel.hodge.796 Samuel Hodge

        Its not about gear progression its about challenge.

        GW2 endgame really lacks in difficult challenges, explorables aren’t overly difficult and once you can do all routes all the time there is nothing to do.

        PVE Events are skill-less dps spam.Farming Karma is also a boring dps spam.
        wvwvw does have its tactical elements but large battles are impossible when both sides can’t even see their opponents resulting in the big fights being aoe spam.

        once you have done every explorable and have 100% world completion from a PVE perspective it feels like there is nothing to do.

        I managed all this while working full time and studying part time in no way did I rush through the game.

        I’m not saying gw2 needs a gear treadmill, what the treadmill achieves is it makes reaching the harder content take time so that it can’t all be done straight away.
        Without it the most difficult content can be done as soon as you have hit 80 and that’s it, the biggest problem with this though is it isn’t even that difficult.
        Realistically I’m bored of gw2, these articles are becoming more and more prominent and it is actually an issue.There is no sub fee, but if they want to sell an expansion in a year or 2 time they will need to do something to address this issue, otherwise I see little point in buying it.

        • JJGlyph

          That was a waste of effort. I said in my post I was bored with end game. For many of the same reasons you are.

  • Evilevi501

    The fact that these articles are all over various different sites are indicative of 

    A.) GW2 should have had an endgame. Great world, nice leveling that ends at 80.

    B.) GW2 isn’t long for the world for other than complete casuals( i.e. takes 6 months to level) or PvP focused players who don’t mind zero progression in PvP.

    I dont know why the various MMO outlets are trying to divert attention away from this gaping hole.

    When was the last time you heard “It’s not for everyone” when a triple a MMO launches.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

      I think that to myself every time a new AAA MMO launches. I find it funny how so called “hard core” MMO players find it so hard to believe that there may be gamers, and indeed MMO players, out there who DON’T like raiding, DON’T like having their creativity and individuality destroyed by class/build dependency mechanics, and who DON’T find gear progression worth while because no matter how hard you work or how long you grind you can never be anything other than obsolete. That is like running a race when someone keeps moving the finish line; it gets old really fast and those little milestones along the way mean less and less.

      Frankly I’d go so far to say that the typical “traditional” MMO is not only not for everyone, they are solely for people with no lives, no real world friends, mental problems, or additive personalities. I live in the real world; I don’t have time to spend half of every day grinding repetitive raids for slightly better worthless gear, and I’m not about to spend hundreds of dollars to be behind in progression for the next year, only to catch up just in time to be behind again. That sort of thing is insanity personified. In my opinion of course.

      • RolyVento

        I totally agree with your points of view but would still like some type of gear/weapon progression other than what they have now in Dungeon grinding. I wish ANET would give us another outlet to collect collect gear and weapons without having to run these dungeons in explorable mode.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

           You could also go for karma gear. Or crafting. Or rare drops. Dungeons are hardly the only way to collect cool looking gear. Hell I personally feel that most dungeon sets look worse than the other armors in the game.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Bergevin-Jr/1393526370 Jim Bergevin Jr

        I was agreeing with your statement until you started the second paragraph. I don’t recall these types of complaints in the first Guild Wars, and many of us are still enjoying that game. GW was my first foray into multi-player gaming and I enjoyed it enough to want to see what a typical MMO played like. After trying out “traditional” MMOs, I found that there were many elements I liked about those and have played them along with the original GW for several years now.

        I, too live in the real world, and have little time to spend gaming, however, I very much enjoy the “traditional” MMO experience along with the “Untraditional” that Guild Wars has to offer. I have a life (a loving wife and child); real world friends I like to hang out with; I have not been diagnosed with any mental problems; and have not been addicted to anything except trying to enjoy each day of life as it comes. The fact that GW2 is different from a traditional MMO doesn’t make it better. It only makes it different. The differences may make it more enjoyable to many gamers, but likewise, that makes it unenjoyable for others. Neither is right nor wrong. What is insanity personified is that someone thinks is should. IMHO of course.

        • Nick Cattane

          It pains me that I actually agree with something you said Jim.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Bergevin-Jr/1393526370 Jim Bergevin Jr

            Sorry for the discomfort. You sum it up pretty well in your comment above, and I understand where Jonathan is coming from – dealing with it from the other side so to speak. I play games for the enjoyment of the experience, but realize not every game is going to work for me. Unfortunately, it seems the mentality of gamers today does not take that into account and so we have the endless bashing of games that “disappoint” someone along with demands in forums to change the game in order to “make it better.” That is what is the real insanity here – not that someone may like a particular game regardless of how it is played.

            Personally, my enjoyment of GW1 and SWTOR were much greater than what I got out of GW2, however, I do not wish to see the base mechanics of GW2 changed to something I would enjoy more – it then becomes a different game and lessens the experience for the players who enjoy it as is. I wish Anet stuck more to the design of GW1 for the new game, but prefer their method of development over what Sony did with the NGE.

            Not every game is going to meet the needs of every gamer, nor should they try. It’s about time that the gaming community learn that, and quit the bitching and moaning when a game does not meet their needs. No game need to have WoW like numbers to be a success – it just needs to satisfy the needs of the core group of gamers that enjoy playing it – Eve and SWG (pre-NGE) showed that. It about time gamers grew up and realized it. As Nick said above – there is no reason that WoW and GW2 can’t co-exist in the MMO genre. Both satisfy different needs for different gamers and neither one is superior or a better playstyle than the other.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

           You just outlined the thing I am sick of.

          “The fact that GW2 is different from a traditional MMO doesnt make it better. It only makes it different.”

          Damn right. But I am getting sick and tired of people saying that those things that make it different make it worse.

    • Nick Cattane

      I come from a hardcore gaming background and competitive esports background.  I have absolutely loved this game.  Nonetheless, it isn’t the PvE that is holding me to it (I agree, it’s fun a couple of times, but isn’t enough to hold me for months on end simply pve’ing), but the wvw and in particular, spvp (which is amazing and actually is really fun working towards cooler gear/running with your tpvp team) that are holding my attention.  Nonetheless, I think partaking in all aspects of GW 2 is what I have found so fun and interesting.  The balance between wvw’ing, pve’ing, and spvp’ing has kept the game extremely fun and consequently sucked away well over 350 + hours of /age.

      Pretty awesome to think I paid $60 for a game that has sucked up 350 hours of play time and literaly has still a ton more to offer me – not to even mention the fact that Anet is still implementing content and a new patch is coming soon too ;) .

  • tommythepower

    Uninstaled for a reason, game is boring, pvp is to easy not even a challenge, no end game, no progression no mounts to work for. And the reason listed above is just plain dumb.

    • RolyVento

      Goodbye, have fun in wow.

    • Nick Cattane

      They see me trollin’…

    • Spammerbam

      lol. PvP is suppose to be easy to learn but hard to master, so if you’re saying it’s easy then it’s pretty clear that you haven’t been playing much of sPvP. And if you’re expecting vertical progression + mounts, GW2 is definitely not for you. Traditional MMO’s is where you belong.

      • Sharuko

        GW2 is a traditional MMO with no content.

        • Nick Cattane

          They see me trollin’…

        • Spammerbam

           Lol, if you’re gonna troll like you always do, at least don’t fail at it?

          If no content is the only thing keeping GW2 back, then Anet has nothing to worry about. New contents will always be pumping out, including holiday events.

          SO, what’s new with Tera? I don’t see you talking about it anymore.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JD5RIAPTFFZFIF3DCNYVVG7NIQ Kyle Bohannon

    great article, everything you mentioned are the reason why i love the game.

    im not a fan of gear progression and i hate pve, i find it boring and preditcable. exploring the map to 100% completion was a true pleasure and extremely addicting. i often found myself missing one or two points of interest or one vista and thinking to myself “ive got to explore those areas before i move on, i just must!”

    i love the pvp, i think its more competitve than people give it credit for, i cant personally think of  a game that allows as many specs to be competitive as this one does and the spvp is just amazing. i dont think ive played a game that offers such large scale battles, in a visually beautiful area and run as flawlessly as it does on my machines.

    in the end, the game isnt for everyone, i personally love it and am having a great time playing, between playing it and LoL and a little dabble in SWTOR here and there i am in gaming bliss ;) to each their own!

  • Dekin

    I like GW2. I always read people say, “game is lame and made for the casual.” I am OK with that. Because I cant be hardcore anymore and by golley I deserve a AAAMMO  to play with my friends just as much as the guy who plays 14 hours a day and consumes content like a fat kid eats cake—mmmm cake—.

    GW2 is a freaking cool game. There are plenty of “hardcore games” out there. I played GW1 and followed the development of GW2 pretty much since they said they were going to make it, the game has fulfilled everything they told me it was going to do. Leave GW2 alone, take your hipster sunshades off, and go play “that other game” you like so much.

    Sorry if I sound mad but it is a game and people are silly.

    • RBHgamer

      Amen, brother!  :)

  • http://twitter.com/j0nnara Jonnara

    Agree with tommythepower, PvP is Boring and trying to 100% map is pointless atm as skill points are bugged and you have to wait for server reboot.

    Have done meta events to death as well.

    By the way Richie all them points are captain obvious, you really think people who quit don’t know about them?

    All that aside, Anet need to do something about the train of bots with or without teleporting/flying hacks.

    When i was doing 100% map i ran into so many bots running in teams, a lot of naked rangers with bears. This is 1st game i have seen so many bots and i have been playing MMOs since Ultima Online.

  • http://www.facebook.com/davidallmighty David Cohen

    Only issue with going around to zones looking for events is the cost to travel. Walking is way too slow to travel the world. I do walk if I am just in a zone usually, but to go across the world map over and over can def add up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/DaveTheFatbad DaveThe Luxon

    As others have said, these aren’t things to do at end-game, they’re things to make GW2 look more popular and help the devs feel good about no end-game content. Some people say “Oh go work for a legendary.” Not worth it, same stats as an 80 exotic and a pain to make. I’ll be back when a friend gets it or when the first expansion comes out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Byrne/100001642673542 Michael Byrne

    :( So for people that do not PvP (like myself) it’s a top 3 list and the list boils down to:

    1) Keep questing
    2) Grind meaningless vanity items (or skins)
    3) Look around more

    I LOVE the leveling game btw…but was always concerned with endgame and could not see why people like Scott were saying there should be no concern. “It’s not for everyone” sounds like what everyone says about “The Secret World” and it isn’t going all that well right now for that title.

    • Nick Cattane

      This is quite different than TSW.  Nonetheless, there is no reason to do this content other than to enjoy it and of course pursure those cosmetic improvements!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Byrne/100001642673542 Michael Byrne

        Oh I agree. I’ve played both games quite a bit now and I wasn’t making a game comparison here. Simply saying we’ve heard that phrase before and it wasn’t used to express an overall “good” sentiment.

  • Schirf

    If the existing GW2 armor sets, mystic weapons, and legendary weapons had been used as a gating mechanism for the existing dungeons would you really have that much more fun?   I want to understand what stat based gear progression offers to players who crave it over what cosmetic gear progression offers. 

    I think the people who are crying about stat gear progression look at forced progression as justification for the “cool kids club” attitude.  Having someone admit they cannot get into Uber Grind Palace O’Lootz makes them feel superior, but ”I don’t like the look of the Legendary” brushoffs in a cosmetic system don’t engorge their epeen. 

  • http://twitter.com/crocodilius ryan phillips

    I appreciate the cover picture being a charr.

  • Monstercloud

    None of these are “not so obvious” things to do at 80. Either you’ve done enough of them in some form (DE, Map completion, WvW) or they are complete stretches (Use your imagination? Seriously?). It reads like a mother just trying to come up with anything to get their 7-8 year old out of their hair for half an hour..

    “I don’t know hunny… drink a potion and pretend your an undercover moa..whatever just go have fun”.

    To be super critical, if GB didn’t cover GW2, or have 2 shows dedicated to GW2, then the article could not stand up on it’s own. It’s almost as if the number of “not so obvious” things to do at 80 was thought up first, and the actual things to do was thought up second, and filler was needed.

  • http://twitter.com/Iomegadrive1 Chris P

    Looks like the WoW fanboys came out today. Quite honestly the people who played and got to the end and hit a wall, never looked for their endgame. They expected it to say “Here is your level 80 content.” You all were told that your level didn’t really mean much. You were told how endgame was going to be. It is sad that people these days are proud to say, “I need my hand held through this game.” Gamebreaker has been good about giving it the atention it deserves and so have other MMO sites which still praise the game. It is generally WoW related sites which just shurg it off. This was made apparent when all of the harsh GW2 “critics” came out of the woodwork when MoP came out and literally over hyped it. The people who have issues with GW2 are either:

    1. People who are addicted to WoW
    2. People who want to brag like they are in high school about all the things they have
    3. Are generally antisocial
    4. Refuse to except any change

    The amount of negative feedback that is essentially “why is this not like WoW” is astounding, and it seems the more positive feedback from word of mouth the more people run to the forums or fansites and complain. This is the truth.

    • Nick Cattane

      I love GW2 – but I doubt it boils down to simply WoW haters as opposed to people’s play styles.  I see the advantages of WoW and sometimes miss having 10 man raids, but then again the grass is always greener and I remember the difficulty of orcehstrating 40 man’s during classic, grinding rep, the difficulties of having more than simply 1 or 2 alts and enough time to keep them up to speed to run raids/pvp/etc. – which to me, GW 2 has provided a great balance/removal of these annoyances (which to WoW’s credit has improved upon, but not perfected, over time).

      Nonetheless, the games (WoW vs GW 2), simply boil down to completely different gameplay.  WoW offers you that carrot along with an overall enjoyable experience – if that’s your thing, great, more power to you.  GW 2 doesn’t offer that carrot (at least not a required one), but instead simply tries to focus on an overall enjoyable (and in my opinion, more rewarding) experience. 

      What do the arguments come down to here? In general:

      WoW – Content oriented around improving your character’s abilities & enjoyment.
      GW 2 – Content oriented around enjoyment.

      Yes, you may feel more inclined to re-run wow’s content becuase it improves your character, but where’s the fun in that?  Isn’t it great to be able to dive right into content and just experience it?

      WoW & GW 2 both have their places, the hate needs to stop and I think these two games can quite easily co-exist as, again, they play towards different play styles.  Not to mention the actual games themselves are quite different in gameplay (e.g. combat, dodge roll system, non-target required skills, etc). 

      Some people need a reason other than enjoyment to do something; however, for me, I don’t and that’s why I play GW 2.

    • http://twitter.com/j0nnara Jonnara

      Why is it every time someone gives a negative reaction to GW2 they are automatically a WoW fanboi?

      Like i said on my post i been playing MMOs – Ultima online, Everyquest, FFXI before i even heard of world of warcraft.

      As someone who now have 2 80s in GW2 and a 74. I am so bored of the things that are in the game atm.

      Anet has fallen into the new release MMO mentality trap ” that no way the players would finish all of our content so quickly so we don’t need to add new content so fast in the life cycle.”

      Only company to have broken away from this trend that i can see is Trion, who have new updates almost monthly.

      PS- FIX THE BOTTING ISSUES.

      • http://twitter.com/Iomegadrive1 Chris P

         It boils down to WoW fanboys based on the timing. This is what happened.

        GW2 Beta, everything is generally fine, barely any complaints.
        GW2 Launch and the month after, game has issues, main ones get fixed, barely any major complaints.
        MoP releases, all hell breaks lose on the forums and GW2 fansites. People claim the game sucks and is extremely boring. Endgame rants, classes are OP/Suck, Bosses are too hard, Bosses are too easy.

        You expect me to look at this time frame and expect it to be a coincidence? Btw have you not seen the Halloween update?

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      That does seem to be the typical response, if you are bored with GW2 or enjoy another MMO, you must have a mental disease or addiction.  I’m not sure what to think about the GW2 community anymore, they seem so angry and hateful to other games anymore.  

      • http://twitter.com/Iomegadrive1 Chris P

         I listed 4 reasons. Thanks for ignoring 2 of them to make it look like I was blatantly accusing people of having a mental illness. You can look at any big MMO release and see that a large group just won’t leave and dismiss it based on already having max level and powerful gear. Starting over would be too hard for them so they don’t change. I have also heard “I need the gear treadmill!” Which supports point 3. Make sure you actually READ my post this time fully. You seem to do this will all of my posts.

    • Monstercloud

      Hey look, it’s this post again, the one that just uses the blanket, “People who dislike GW2 are just WoW fanboys” post. Such a interesting and thought provoking post! Always an intelligent and worth while read.

      • Nick Cattane

         As if your post served any more of a higher cause.

    • Jan Håkon Martinsen

      ok, i have played gw1 for approx 900-1000 hours and i loved it. Yes i played wow while i was waiting for gw2 to come out i hit 80 and got decent enough gear to go DS heroic. I am not any wow fanboy. But i just dont like gw2 is just dont feel right. it’s missing the endgame. like gw1 did (befour EOTN) but saying all who hate gw2 is addicted to wow is just making you another gw fanboy that hate wow. not any diffrent from the guys saying gw is sh*t cuz they are wow fanboys. so please do urself a favor and dont sink so low. and as i saw in another post ” Do you think people would play wow month after month if they got all the best gear right away ? i dont think so.

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  • rippled

    Yea why would fans change their perception of GW2 at this stage. For years every “feature” or “design choice” in GW2 was solid gold no matter how much flak it got in other games that implemented it (or that resulted from not implementing something).

    Why should end game perception be any different at this stage. Take your time, play for fun, smell the roses, it’s about the enjoyment factor and/or vistas, roleplay, turn into a chicken and run around, redo repeatable content for a slightly different experience, grind out flashy stuff etc. etc.

    Different game 6months ago? Ripped to shreds with GW2 being held up as the saving grace of the genre. Today? More examples of turds from other games turn “best things since sliced bread” cos they have a GW2 logo sticky on them. Go figure lol.

  • http://twitter.com/stevenkw stevenkw

    I gotta say I payed for about 20 minutes past hitting 80… Signed off, haven’t signed back in.

    • Spammerbam

       On the contrary, I paid to have a casual game, just like BF3 or TF2. I didn’t pay to be
      grinding for top level gears like Diablo 3 just to have an advantage over
      the rest of the players — this is no longer about real skills, but then is
      about who plays the most. That’s something people don’t realize, that
      vertical progression gives the illusion of a long term end-game.
      If you give traditional MMO players the best gears available, would they be playing the game after months and months?

  • http://www.facebook.com/anthony.perry.357 Anthony Perry

    There’s more content coming on 10/22 in addition to the Halloween events.  What’s everyone complaining about?

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      Oh, what content is coming out next week?   I haven’t log into GW2 in awhile, don’t want to miss any new content. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.hornsby.7 Jonathan Hornsby

        From the official site:

        The world continues to evolve with new events, jumping puzzles, bosses,
        mini-dungeons, and achievements appearing across a variety of maps.

        This is in addition to a new sPvP tournament type designed for the most “hardcore”and competitive players, and a four act PvE world event that will span most of next week. This event is one of Guild War’s classic holiday events, so if you miss it next week you have to wait a whole year to see something like it again (each year they are slightly different).

    • http://twitter.com/SwagMcAwesome Romulus Steelfang

      Wait, we get free content? :O We don’t get them in many other games

  • xXHeisenbergXx

    I can’t wait for aliens to crash land into this game and spice things up…

  • Morturion

    I only just hit lvl 80 with my first Charracter (Charr-acter, get it ?) and I’m kind of worried that I’ll never finish all the things I still wanna do with that character, since I don’t have much time to logg on …

  • Azuri

    It troubles me to see these topics more and more everywhere “bored at 80″ just the fact that these topics are popping up means this not just happening to a random few people. 

  • DoctorOverlord

    Good article Richie. I like the idea of tonics in WvW and how he mentioned that some research is needed to find the hidden stuff.

    And thank you for clarifying what most of us knew – There no *mandatory* grinding in GW2. The clueless types really needed to have this spelled out. If they miss the tedious timesinks, they can make as many as they want in GW2 lol

    And always good to get come Gary-sarcasm “Using your imagination!” lol

  • ZekePrince

    WvW has always been the only “endgame” for me from the start.  I love pvp, and the combat in this game is interesting and varied enough to keep me engaged.  I’m interested to see how the game develops over time. 

  • Avaloner31

     Sad that people are bored of GW2 and have been for weeks now as I was hoping it would grow like say WOW did all those years ago rather then follow every other AAA MMO of the last 5 or so years. Lots of interest at the start then a decline untill it bottoms out and stabalizes. Maybe MMORPG’s really are dieing.

  • pc11

    1. Logging in and waiting around 1 hour in the hopes of a meta event triggers… I guess you can watch something else while waiting
    2. No point unless you are really into pixelated landscapes. Also I found it the most frustrating experience to find a hidden jumping puzzle cave, spending 30 mins solving it and getting trash in a chest as reward.
    3. Go play a moba its more fun
    4. Go outside and socialize. 1000x more fulfilling than a title for your online character
    5. WvW was fun… for a while.

    I liked my experience with the game but it felt more like a single player action-rpg to me. I moved on to other games with more replay value or continued challenge. Also it appears a great part of the initial players feel the same way.

  • BossFi

    Problem with GW2 is its too quick to get to 80. Getting XP for everything like ,crafting,reviving players, map completion is the problem because it means you end up outleveling the zones. I have a level 80 and there must be several zones I have hardly touched. And when your a level 60 in a level 35 area the events are just too easy. I could just keep moving to higher zones as soon as I outlevel but then I wouldn’t get any 100% map completions done.

    So now as level 80 i feel I have to go back to all those areas and 100% complete them. If leveling was alot slower I could complete zones to 100% not having to worry about outleveling and I would still have something interesting to do and the game would be more of a challenge.

    • TowerTom

      Err, when you’re in lower level areas you get bumped down to an appropriate level. As for getting to 80 so quick, that depends on the player. I’ve yet to reach 80 as I have a job and only play casually but then you have those that just did nothing but want to race to 80. Personally, in WoW, I hated levelling and raced to max level but in GW2 I’ve taken time to enjoy it, explore and discover things. I’ve done all SM dungeons upto level 78 and still have my personal story to complete.

      At 80, you should feel like going back to them areas. There are more than just the one area to level in at that certain level, plenty of places to discover and complete. Levelling speeds depends on the player and what they want to do.

      • BossFi

        Obviously you get bumped down to appropriate level, but with the extra trait points the areas are easier and easy isnt fun!
         
        Outlevelling is the main issue, regardless how quick you get to 80.

        If your not outleveling then you aint experiencing all parts of the game like crafting, WvW etc..

  • Dosgames

    There is plenty of content in this game. All these “The End is Nigh” comments are a bit overly dramatic. Will the player base drop off after time? Sure, but that doesn’t mean the game or community is failing. The same thing happened in the original Guild Wars, it ebbed and flowed based on the expansions. There will be groups of hardcore PvEers and PvPers that will stick around during the lull. Guild Wars 2 is not a raid/gear progression 

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Case/100003772398650 Justin Case

       to late,i managed to get a screenshot,sending it to your mother as i write this,find a rock to hide under,shameless double-poster!

  • Dosgames

    There is plenty of content is this game. All these “The End is Nigh” comments are a bit overly dramatic. Will the player base drop off a bit after release? Sure, but that doesn’t mean the Guild Wars 2 community is failing. It was like this in the original Guild Wars. It ebbed and flowed based on the expansions. There will still be plenty of hardcore PvEers and PvPers around during the occasional lull. People will come back for holiday events and new content. Plus you really get mileage out of the sPvP. I’ve played a lot of competitive team based games and sPvP is a blast. I hope it becomes the eSport Anet wants it to be.  But, it is not WoW.  I played WoW for about a year and most my friends still play. They talk about WoW like it’s a unhappy marriage they can’t get out of.  WoW is the only game they play, it’s their main hobby, it’s the extension (hell maybe even the highlight) of their social lives. WoW has been out for so long it’s breaded a new type of gamer and the long time communities are super tight nit. After WoW this community will drift to the next Blizzard MMO, or something that offers a raid/gear progression time sink. Personally, I have a job and I like to play other games, and Guild Wars 2 is a great balance.

  • TheHolgar

    Thanks for Netflix to Sweden. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=670665157 Steven Barker

    Boring things to do to make being bored even more boring =(

  • http://twitter.com/Johnny_Problems john monahan

    Its the peoples fault for rushing the game so fast why do it when you can enjoy it by going at a steady pace instead of trying to be the highest level as fast as possible

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Case/100003772398650 Justin Case

       what do you mean by rushing,it’s been 2 months,what do you suggest,people taking 2 years to reach 80?

      • http://www.facebook.com/michael.herzig.712 Michael Herzig

        alltho i kinda hate GW2 this guy has one point. people really have no life and its their own fault they chose to play 10-12-14 hours a day just to get to 80 in one week. but yea there is still very little to do in the game once ure 80 unlike.. well WoW

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000568390022 Randall Michael Moyer

    IM here for a long time! I played gw1 from start untill gw2 come out. Im happy just lvling and make new toons and seeing everything.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000568390022 Randall Michael Moyer

    truth is half the ppl are just to lazy and bot there way to lvl 80…its sad. I started off crafting/farming/lvling/story mode all in one. and now im just getting to 80 but i have 4 toons at lvl 60 so yea i changed up my toons when i felt it was time to try a different one

  • http://twitter.com/brianjo Brian Johnson

    My biggest problem with the game right now at 80 is travel cost. I would love to jam around the  map and goof off and help people but I don’t have tons of gold and I don’t feel like turning this mmo into a second job. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/owenr02 Reece Unlucky Owen

    bored
     

  • http://www.facebook.com/zoran.ostojic.566 Zoran Ostojic

    There is no real incentive to keep playing after 80.Why would i need to grind better gear wtf am i gonna use it for? There is no sense of progression after you hit 80 whatsoever.That fact is worsened by a terrible game ending (Zhaitan fight is utter anticlimactic crap).Seems to me they started to make great game, got to about half way through and then were rushed by NC Soft to get it out asap.Another disappointment and a big one for me.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dimitri.kariofillis Dimitri Kariofillis

      my thoughts exactly.
      Only so much you can stretch out the content and fool yourself into thinking there’s more to do when there ism’t.

      • http://www.facebook.com/william.vollmer William Vollmer

        It is clear from your comments neither of you played the original Guild Wars, you probably came from an MMO like WoW over to this one. You have to remember this game isn’t about grinding for gear by DESIGN because not everyone thinks that is fun (I know I don’t think it is). It’s about having fun finding new looks, legendary weapons, sPvP, the hundreds of different dynamic events, dungeons, crafting or running around just helping people out. Thats why your level scales with the level of the area, so you can always go back and have fun doing whatever you feel like. Plus, this game has no subscription fees so if you get bored you can always come back to check out the new content when it’s released.

    • http://www.facebook.com/portaftw Joseph Porta

       Best comment ever!
      It’s not the first time when NCsh!t does such a thing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jeroen.vandongen.5 Jeroen van Dongen

    There would be so much to do, if the down scaling was done properly.
    I actually liked the beginner area’s. Would love to do them again with the same character. Or just play with my low level friends as they implied. But now I simply 2 hit a foe. And I can even kill the C.L.E.A.N. 5000 all by myself while all other player’s can’t even touch it before dieing. :/ (tough it was a fun challenge)

  • http://www.facebook.com/alexio.schneeberger Alexio Lucifero Schneeberger

    6th thing you can do is : let me play the game. Every patch make the crash happen more often… tnx arenanet…

    • http://www.facebook.com/mugiwararobin Robin van Dijk

      Lol since the prerelease days GW2 has never crashed on me, not even once, nor being kicked (except for the patch countdown).

      • joe stallion

        Yea the game crashed a lot for me too.

  • http://twitter.com/Ponyfeathers_ James Castleberry

    The sPvP features are coming with the Halloween update

  • http://www.facebook.com/psnart Paul Snart

    Hard Mode zone achievements would be a good idea (like GW1′s max level revisit of areas). Not sure how they could do it technically, but with how their servers are, I guess you could OPT to play in “Hard Mode”, where all zones are max level+ (baring capitals).

    So far, there’s more to do here than during the original first month or so in GW1 release. It took a long time for GW1 to offer as much as it does, so I don’t see why GW2 won’t eventually be suited to a more varied gamer crowd.

    There’s such a thing as offering too much to do at launch. I feel GW2 is about where it needs to be.

  • http://www.facebook.com/carlos.montielarias Carlos Montiel Arias

    Well, i have been playing GW2 about 16 hours a week and i am having a lot of fun. I haven´t even scratch the surface of the game in a month of gameplay. For the casual player this game delivers weeks and weeks of good content. I often find myself hoping for more free time to play. Long live the engineers!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Blount/100000068829068 Aaron Blount

    I play only casually and at first I did not like the control setup for this game. It felt too much like WoW, then after a while I got used to it and absolutely love it. I don’t mind out leveling a zone, it does not stop me from getting 100% before I move on to the next zone. I have not made it to level 80 yet, but have been playing since release and taking my time. Most of my free time is spent working on homework and at work, and spending time with my wife and dog. It is nice to be able to escape into GW2 every once in a while…

  • http://www.facebook.com/KaeKhounsak Kae Khounsak

    I think the majority of people who are bored with the game are the ones who are so use to having end game content like WoW.  Even with all the information prior to game release, most people still came into GW2 with that mentality.  They’re stuck in that box.  

    • http://www.facebook.com/kljajic1 Adnan Kljajic

      Nah not really. I really hated WoW after I tried it out, and have been a GW1 fan ever since I saw it the first time. GW1 has the same philosophy as GW2 on end game content but the game kept me amused for about 5 or 6 years. GW2 couldn’t keep me for 2 weeks. It’s just that Anet overused the ”when it’s ready” motto and got a bit complacent and ended up releasing the game too late. By too late I mean all it’s features were already used in the games that came before it. Nothing, really nothing in GW2 is unique to the game, it’s a generic MMO with pretty colors on it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/portaftw Joseph Porta

    BORING!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=743432738 Mcnick Dicarpio

      gimme a game that u like….and i will give you reasons why i say they are boring too.go on.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.maganadellis Michael Maganadellis

    Still Boring………. with Planetside 2 and Darkfall Unholy Wars comming, i think i’m gonna sell GW2…. i admit it was fun for a while….

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brad-Wood/100000240609825 Brad Wood

      you cant…you own it for life. you will get no refund, it has no sub fee, so you can come back when new content comes out…dont trip out just yet. huge update this month too :)

      • David Alcon

        He said sell it, not return it. No reason he can’t sell his account.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=743432738 Mcnick Dicarpio

      well it is for the best………if you dont appreciate it.then it’s not for you.adidos

    • http://www.facebook.com/Anthony.Henshaw Anthony Henshaw

       Seriously… you’re comparing Planetside 2 to Guild Wars 2… lolz?!

  • http://www.facebook.com/travis.hughes.798 Travis Hughes

    I first would like to give my thanks to Richie, the author, for this post. It’s much appreciated.

    To everyone else I would like to put in my perspective on this. I’ve come from FFXI which, before the several updates within the last year or two, was a good game. The game was VERY grinding to the point where it would take one person close to a year to reach level 75, the cap at the time for years before SE pushed the cap to 99. It took me two years because I wanted to enjoy the game more slowly with the quests, missions and helping out people and I’m also a casual MMO gamer.  

    Granted both FFXI and GW2 are of totally two different worlds, but the principle is the same; it’s more fun to enjoy a game taking ones time as opposed to rushing to get to high level status, personally speaking. While I agree that there should be something to do once you reach the max cap level, there’s a great deal of quality enjoying the journey rather than the finish line, if that makes any sense.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HHDBXI2R33NMWBXRPSCKMTLQRY Jack

    This game is still boring as fuck. You can try to justify the few different aspects of this game as many times as you want, but that will never make it worth playing again.

    • Saboteur Sweden

       So you don’t like sex?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=743432738 Mcnick Dicarpio

      oh yea? what game is good in ur option

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000972472847 Sarien Northland

    one thing is to say the game is boring at 80 and another is that it hasn’t end game gear progression… I just hit 80 with my main and I have tons of content to do, I only did 3 of the dungeons and only in story mode.. I only have completed 45% or so of the world map, only 3 or so of jumping dungeons… I didn’t even step on the pvp yet…

    The amount of variants in playstyles for each class is just enough
    to keep me playing with new combinations and testing with my friends
    what works best in each situation… no I am not  bored at all.

    It seems to me some people just want end game progression and nothing else, to those guys I say go to other games, do what you like but don’t you dare says GW2 is boring or has lack of content once you reach 80…. you are just being ignorant.

  • http://www.facebook.com/hans.smeets.71 Hans Smeets

    Agreed there is still tons to do, but the game itself lacks as a whole, none of it comes together and the total lack of teamplay makes it a poor game as compared to GW1. Ill soon reach lvl 80 (casual player here) and yes i havent seen it all, that will take me another 2 or 3 months, then what?

    Do it all again on a new toon?…No the game just isnt good enough for that. PvP/WvW ok to try out a few times but that will bore me in about a week since it doesnt interest me.

    The problem is that it isnt  “guild” wars, you dont need your guild like you did in GW1, most of the game is solo except for beating up that champion in a meta event with total strangers that just happen to pass by and once you did that you move on (20 minutes max). The only thing that requires a team are the dungeons of which there are only a few and with a max team size of just 5 our guild has more players then can join, so again no guild play. It’s a solo rpg with a tiny bit of MMO sauce for looks, which is a shame because the concept was good.

    Also please stop this ” you are the hero” stuff, at no point in time have i ever felt a hero in this game, never have i gone wow we did it..never did i feel proud ( i did feel good saving that total stranger after he got stomped on by a vet and i just happened pass by). It’s not finished and noone trully believes this is 5 years work 

    I guess 6 montsh gameplay is as good as it gets nowadays in the gaming industry, which is a shame. Anet made millions and that will keep the shareholders happy, it’s a shame they are so short sighted that that could have made many more milions if they had only tried to look at a big picture in stead of a quick gain ..selling 2-3 milion copies in 3 months appears to be the target nowadays, with no real wish to over achieve.

    PS: Dont bother with the haloween events, noone feels bonded with the in game world enough for that
    PPS: Please get rid of the stupid pink hearts when you feed a cow, we are not all 12 year old girls you know.

    Cheers
    Rampy.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Fa22Raptor Calen Calloway

      As he said, this game is not for everyone. I personally absolutely love the game and feel this heroic position that I am playing. I enjoy walking around the main cities to see what is going on with my HUD off and enjoying the beautiful world that they have created. It takes imagination as well as a certain kind of dedication to be truely immersed but once you get there this game really shines. This coming from someone who did not play nor like guild wars.

  • Paul B

    I don’t even have one level 80 yet.

    Imagine if all these people would have poured 100 hours a week into an actual JOB.

    Ya’ll would be rich !

    • http://www.facebook.com/Anthony.Henshaw Anthony Henshaw

       I hit level 80 in just 3 weeks whilst working 60hours a week…

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=743432738 Mcnick Dicarpio

      rich? Most ppl are underpaid…

  • http://twitter.com/shaunlcolvin Shaun Colvin

    Things to do after you Beat Super Mario
    1 Play it again
    2 Jump up and down and see how many coins you can get
    3 See how far you can get without dieing
    4 Run back and forth real fast
    5 Pause game and stair at graphics.

  • http://mrqqmore.livejournal.com/ DTC

    there is no content in gw2 at all, stop all that crap, everyone I know already uninstalled that shit game and went back to WoW or LoL.

    • Nick Cattane

      They see me troll’in…

      • Dekin

         It cant be a troll….they live under bridges…and bridges don’t have internet connection…or do they?

    • http://www.facebook.com/eric.bray.773 Eric Bray

      We don’t want trolls like you and your “friends” in this stellar game anyway. It makes GW2 even better IMO.

      It’s great to know that GW2 is an untrollable game. Think about it. How can you troll in GW2? You can’t. You can’t steal stuff. You can’t take others kills. You just block people that are annoying in chat. You can’t ruin others experiences in the game in any way. Bots you say? Who cares? I report them but ignore them completely. Also, GW2 literally has a higher average age than other MMO’s. True fact! I guarantee it does because the majority of the player base that will stick with GW2 in the long run is more mature than other games. It’s just that simple. Let the trolls complain then leave. It’s a beautiful thing. I will be playing this game for years.

  • http://twitter.com/j0nnara Jonnara

    OK people, getting bored with GW2 =/= like WoW better. in fact i think WoW is even more boring than GW2.

    The mistake GW2 made is the same mistake every other MMO release in the last 5 years.

    That is they underestimated the rate of content consumption of the player base.

    I don’t mind if there is no typical end game with GW2 but i have already done to death the points Richie pointed out in this article with exception that i don’t PvP.

    Even than i may still be playing GW2 if it wasn’t for the fact that i have run into so many bots in game “even ones with teleporting hacks”, after weeks of reporting them in game and they are “still there in the same area running the same path”.

    This more than anything killed it for me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Angelica-Sarvo/100000523071070 Angelica Sarvo

    I’m level 80 and I’m not bored at all. Just the other day I was running around in Divinity’s reach reading some of the books that are lying around and it was fascinating. 

    I do kind of find it a bit funny that the game has only been out maybe two months but you found the need to make an article like this. 

  • Nerfherder79

    The main problem with boredom in GW2 has nothing to do with GW2 itself. It has to do with players that have already been playing MMO’s for years, myself included. The number one reason we get bored is because were just bored of MMOs in general. And two, we have been conditioned, mostly by our MMO of choice, as to how an MMO should play. Any change in routine makes us crave our behavioral addiction.

    Personally, I’m not bored at all.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/XV6OVOQX4MXA2RGYMW5GHRFTMU Tan

      This.

      I think people just find it hard to break away from the MMO that they spent a majority of their time in (be it Ultima Online, EQ, WoW or some other game). What most people seem to do is play new MMOs like single player games, speed through the content and then go back to the grind of their usual MMO (which is WoW for most of the people) because the endgame has nothing to do. What they should say at least is that the endgame has nothing they want to do. This is fine, play what you like – I’ve come to the conclusion that most of the time it is not the game that keeps you playing but your friends. If you are having a good time with your friends in game you’ll play it rather leave and play another game by yourself.

      Kyfa

      • Diequex

        Pretty much. I find it most interesting that those same people would then shout “well it has this that and the other thing…[blank] clone.” It seems it is a lose lose scenario no matter what you do in the MMO genre. 

  • Revanhavoc

    Great article. Even though most people are fans of GW2, you approached the article and interview with some semblance of impartiality, which I appreciate.

    Good read Richie. Great interview Gary.

  • Chris Pelham

    It’s because there’s no challenge apart from dungeon runs, if PvE wasn’t so dumbed down to where it didn’t require a brain to play aka bot central, than there would be reasons to actually go back and do meta event’s or static oops i mean dynamic events ;)

  • Abdel Abdela

    So, as a World of Warcraft fan, with about 7 years of experience I bought this game, to try something new….guess I was hyped with the adds.
    Played it for 3 weeks. about 4-8 hours a day. I couldn’t find myself in it.
    The total absence of mounts makes it frustrating for me. No shiny armors and above all no servers reserved for role players like me. No real team play, you just happen to come across a player and complete an encounter together. Zone level scaling….another frustration.
    So all in all….I uninstalled it. Not worth to play until Arenanet patches it with improvements, mounts, achievements, armors, raids, heroic mode dungeons etc.
    The game feels like Warhammer online. With events and such, so its nothing new tbh.

    P.S.
    People have different tastes, so many wont agree with this text above. But this is only my opinion of the game called Guild Wars 2. 
    Now back to WoW, My fat PedoPandaBear is waiting for me :D

    Good luck and Have fun!
    Cheers

    • http://twitter.com/Xanthira222 Justin Staggs

       All the RPers are on Tarnished Coast. Just FYI.

      • Abdel Abdela

         Im from EU

        • Roscoe Phan

          Then that’ll be Piken Square for the EU folk.

    • http://twitter.com/chmun77 LoveGalaxyS3

       I very much agree with you. Traveling without mounts is simply such a hassle even there are way points. Running from way points to way points apart is just too slow. Should there be mounts, I think we can even do away some of the way points anyways.

      Another thing I missed in GW2 is the instance queue system. I absolutely no idea how do we start instances in GW2. It keeps saying that I can only start instance when I’m level 30. But what should I do upon reaching 30? Another sad thing is the rewards of GW2 even from personal story line instances. Sometimes, I get crap rewards like mining tools!

      I do like the idea of leveling up even when doing crafting. Dynamic events are neat too but it become kind of boring since it is not really that “dynamic” after all.

      Fortunately GW2 does not have monthly subscriptions. So, I can just take my time playing it, as and when I wanted to. But frankly speaking, I’m indeed starting to get bored of it and I do not have the urge to play GW2 like when I’m playing WOW.

  • Chris Soldano

    the people that said there’s no grinding in Gw2 was Gamebreaker when they compared it to Tera almost a year ago…so yeah…about that…

    • Sharuko

      Yeah its pretty funny to see how things changed in a month’s time.

      • Nick Cattane

        The only grind is the legendary and dungeon grinding cosmetics (which even then, you can get a full set of dungeon gear in a few days easily).  Everything else is even easier to get and takes no time.

        -1

    • Spammerbam

       Mandatory grind vs optional grind.

  • the founderx

    how very revealing that articles are coming out so soon about “GW2 boredom”. the fanbase is actually scrambling for clever ways to overcome the boredom in this game.

     ironically, I would be fine with having truely challenging dungeons as the main activity at max level… but no, these Explorable Mode dungeons that Anet claimed were “designed for the very best teamwork” are just wtf mechanics with resurrect zergs while you jump away from red circles on the ground. oh and all the special attacks are listed for each monster… lol ok i might grind for one of these pathetic looking legendaries if i actually enjoyed these dungeons but ugh, i think i actually enjoy about 4 boss fights total.

    and both of the PVE guilds i joined have fallen apart… initial two weeks had 20+ players online each night.. then slowly the growling as boredom set in.. now its practically a ghosttown with one or two players. i then joined a “high membership, high activity guild” but they had like 5 online a night.. meh

    • Dosgames

      Clearly, if your experience with Guild Wars 2 Dungeons is described as a “resurrect zerg” you aren’t using the “very best teamwork”.

      • Rich E.

         rofl seriiously dude.. dont tell me you have rez zerged bosses? everyone does.. EVERYONE. how do i know? because Arenanet designed the game that way. its revolved around the down state and being able to resurrect quickly to throw bodies at bosses. go ahead.. now tell me with a straight face that this game is about teammwork and using combos in PVE! and the community will laugh at you.

        however, some bosses are so faceroll easy that players barely get scratched… i dont know which i hate more or which is more lame. go ahead… tell me its about “the very best teammwork” and ill LMFAO thinking of the 10 pug Explorable dungeons i completed tonight with players who make zero, 0, null attempt at any teamwork. didnt need a single sentence of communication.. just a “hey” at the beginning and a “ty for group” at the end. snore

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Weisenthal/100000171592039 David Weisenthal

    One quick note about Game-Gear progression and possible raid formats.

    The game is only a couple months old.  How long does it take for a new tier of armor to arise in WoW? (Months is the correct answer).  Do not underestimate the potential of GW2 as most of this will likely be implemented.  Arenanet isn’t dumb, they have a behemoth like WoW to set as a goal and programming is like painting a mural.  The Tools are the same just different style.

    I for one am excited for the future of GW2, Holiday Meta events, New continents, Layered map that allows FULL 3-D Map expansion.  The possibilities are near endless and that i believe was the goal for producing GW2 with so little end game.  Just be patient i say.

    • http://twitter.com/shaunlcolvin Shaun Colvin

      ArenaNet even states this is it for endgame

  • http://www.facebook.com/bagdot20 Marc Korinchock

     Lets keep things simple people. If you do not like the game, go back to WoW or whatever MMO you were playing before and stop trying to bring the rest of the community down to your miserable level. I have a guild mate who comes on a bitches about how bad this game is and yet he still comes on instead of uninstalling it. It drives me crazy because it makes me depressed just listening to him. We were both GW1 veterans and yet he refuses to see some of the positive aspects of GW2. So please do the rest of us a favor who actually enjoy the better aspects of this game and shut the fuck up. Its not like you are paying $15 dollars for monthly subscription fees (which annoys the crap out of me because WoW is FTP up to lvl 20 but really what does that do for you?)

    • the founderx

       dissent bothers you huh. well these websites are for discussion not sycophants. soo youre the one that needs to STFU. see what i did there? ya i stifled your opinion just as you tried to stifle others. and its wrong. so JUST KIDDING BRO SAY ALL THE GOOD YOU WANT ABOUT GW . lets hear it! but just dont give that bullshit dimwitted response “omfg stop crying and go back to WoW”. dimwit

      a wise game developer (i wont mention his name cuz youll get all butthurt) once said to its community: “Please be brutal.. we learn just as much from those that highlight our faults than from those that praise.”

      that man was NOT a dimwit. pay attention you can learn something.

      • http://www.thejerseywife.com Jersey Wife

        Stifling an opinion with a crude response that’s not even well written and lacks punctuation along with basic grammar that my grandson can handle stifles nothing.

        But it does give us a pretty good portrayal of the person who typed it. You’re highly offended by another person’s opinion and attempt at discussion. Pot meet kettle.

        • HartsHope

           how novel.. another gammar = intelligent debate dullard. move along. nothing to read here.

        • Revanhavoc

          Feeding into the insult frenzy doesn’t help anything either.

          And I have to agree with the aforementioned post, poorly written though it may be, in that I find it condescending and presumptuous to think that any difference of opinion about GW2 should be remedied with a return to WoW.

          I feel that was more the spirit of the comments.

  • http://www.facebook.com/allan.tuckwood Allan Tuckwood

    pvp is broken warriors dominates
    pve is boring because it all has be experienced

    • HartsHope

       PVP has its inbalances but Warriors clearly dont dominate and i dont hear anyone but noobs who standstill while Hundred Blades shred them, complaining.

      “pve is boring because it all has be experienced”? wtf does this mean lol. are you off your meds?

  • Razor4884

    I really can’t relate to all the negativity coming from people about this game. I have one level 80 character, and I plan to make at least 3 more afterwards…that Is, if I can even ‘finish’ my first one. I’m working towards completing 3 different armor sets, completing every jumping puzzle, reading as many secret books as I can find, discovering as many secret places as I can find, listening to funny NPC’s, marveling at all the art, discovering hidden or missed events, becoming a WvW monster, kicking the crap out of (some) PvP’ers, worshipping Kegbrawl like many men do football, getting in barfights, realizing real-world references….the List just goes on. I realize these things aren’t for everyone — I just like to dive deep into my games — but if you really don’t like it that bad, no one is forcing you to play. All I ask of you is to not ignorantly say “this game is boring. It has no content what-so-ever.” True, it may be boring for You, but that doesn’t just straight up make it boring. I was thinking about buying Deadspace 3, Xcom, or End of Nations, but now I see this game is going to keep me busy for at least another couple years. Even if I do get “bored,” — I will mention it again because clearly it wasn’t mentioned enough — there is NO subscription fee. So I can just go play something else for a while until my interest sparks again. We must not fail to remember that this MMO has only just been released, just thinking about the sheer volume of content waiting to be created puts a smile on my face. I mean, By the Bear! Does anyone here not want to know the secrets of “bubbles the dragon” or if the six gods will return once more? Maybe one of the spirits of the wild will materialize to fight along side us in battle? Then there’s that bird-race that I can’t remember off the top of my head because I haven’t met them enough. This “100%” of the map hardly makes up even half of the world. Maybe after the elder dragons are defeat, a new, even more deadly threat will crawl from the depths of the mists. You guys can walk away to whatever game appeals to you the most, but I’m staying in Tyria — I know potential when I see it.

    • Rich E.

       all that discovery leads to more of the same, i’m at 90% map completition myself and i can honestly say i think i enjoyed 3 maybe 4 Dynamic Events. but there is zero thrill. has anyone ever died in a Dynamic Event? lol and i can honestly say i’ve seen only 2 fail.. ever. ya i like the pvp .. somewhat. im kinda meh about it. dont really enjoy the sPVP maps and the WvW is mostly a super zerg and the invisible army bug still plagues my Guild.

      grinding out multiple sets of gear? hmm k i guess. if you enjoy the dungeons which are mostly rez zergs and wtf moments of hilarity. although on the other hand, many bosses are stupid easy. i like the kegbrawl too.. first 5 times i did it. the world boss fights are so anticlimactically boring and easy that i seriously would rather go try to solo a Champion than just sit through the “made for TV movie” called The Shatterer and Jormag. holy fukin easy.  i liked a few of the jump puzzles. nice diversion from the boring core combat gameplay. challenging content? wtf they list the target’s special attacks, all the AE’s are shown for you, need zero communication between teammates… combos are just pretty colors that might happen, might not, but dont really need to be planned, at all. can resurrect zerg any bosss… and all for what? so i can dye my armor 109201921 different shades of purple? meh

      the Lore? its the most canned, typical spammed ham Fantasy ive ever read. i actually.. yes, actually bought and read the first novel. rofl. i swear this Lore is actually  – im gonna gag saying this – less interesting than Warcraft’s. seriously? did they just copy paste the Zhaitan fight from Deathwing?

      immersion? mmmmmeh. i dont think i’ve ever played a game with more Loading Screens than GW2. and with so little risk there is no reward. no sense of success or HUZZZAH!!!  and seriously the most danger i encounter in GW2 is fighting the Spawn Rates in The Risen zones… wtf arenanet. w t f.

      economy? mmk nuff said.

      and Legendaries… seriously if you dont plan on playing 1 character for atleast 7 months straight then dont plan on getting near the legendary before the next expansion.. play alts regularly? lol dont even dream of a legendary completion within years. that is, unless you buy Gems.. lots and lots of Gems.

      • HartsHope

         I must agree with most of this assessment.

        what kills this game is that there is no “grandeur”… there is no “big challenge” or “overarching big enemies” and please dont say the Elder Dragons because they are obviously made to be so easy that children can do them. i dont think thats epic in any sense. they are 2 hour timer repeated easymode fights. its quite sad.

        and as a semi-hardcore player, well maybe more casual, I will just never have a Legendary. right now, the only thing keeping me playing is experimenting with different professions and trait builds; so basically i will never ever get a Legendary. but that doesnt bother too too much cuz i dont particularly think the Legendaries that interesting looking.  my character uses a Hammer and for some odd reason it looks like a glittery Mage staff that Gandalf would use – not my norn warrior ugh. legendaries are epic in grind only, sadly. that shield looks neat though hehe

        im also a Lore nerd but in regards to the Personal Quests my gripe is that it was really easy, at times humdrum boring and only really was affected by my “decisions” once or twice. plus im really burned out on dragons.. dragons dragons dragons.. does the flipping genre really need more dragons?

        fighting GW2 “dragons” feels more like fighting “salamanders with wings on them”. lots of cool roar and effects but totally unimpressive experience.

        performance is another issue; my husband and i have very expensive, custom built computers and are getting subpar performance. half my guild reports the same thing.. the others dont. so who knows but the official forums are rife with players complaining about low FPS

        the game art and world design is first class though. animations too. theyre quite nice. just wish there were more to the experience.

      • Revanhavoc

        That was the most scathing and detailed critique I’ve heard of GW2. At least I feel like you have played the game. It’s not insulting, it’s just brutally honest. Very interesting.

        • St_Draco

          Except that it is inaccurate, poorly formed, poorly supported, and poorly formulated.  He put in just enough truth to make his inaccurate and misconstrued statements seem valid.

          • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

            No it looks accurate.  Its got a good combat system, good gameplay and beautiful setting.   But the content has always been meh.

          • St_Draco

            Funny you say that, because he says that combat is bad, gameplay is bad and the setting is bad.  So in what way is he accurate, unless you are inaccurate.  Which is it?

          • http://www.facebook.com/neal.reagan Neal Reagan

            wow troll much? You’ve failed to specify (in 3 posts) What EXACTLY he’s wrong about, and why he’s wrong. Just saying “ohusux, irtehonlyrightone, derp” isn’t constructive in any way imaginable. 

            He addressed immersion, gameplay, and the (not so) happy fun times with gems.

            I agree completely with what the OP said. 

            Lastly St_Draco:
            You’re obviously one of the people that gave swtor a bad review after having played it for 15 minutes and agreeing completely with what everyone else said about it. Sucks when the shoes on the other foot, doesn’t it?

            I played guild wars 2, got bored with the grind, and quit. Lvl 30 thief btw, so ya, got to dungeon content and was completely apathetic about the whole experience. That’s my “scathing” review.

          • St_Draco

            First, Rich E. is trolling. Its the same troll gripes.  Call content easy and a zergfest, imply that gems solve everything.

            Funny you say my posts aren’t constructive, because Rich E.’s post offers nothing but “GW2 Sucks, trollololo”. He doesn’t actually say anything in his post. He doesn’t say, “I wish DEs were X, or I I’d like to see dugeons do Y”. Its all “this is bad” with no explanation why or context.Lets break it down since you asked for it.  I hope you are ready to read.Calling most DEs easy is like calling most traditional questing easy.All world bosses in an MMO are rez-zerg fests. Example? Galleon in MoP. Most dungeons in MMOs are zergfests; Tank grabs agro, DPS pew pews, Healers keep tank up, rush content until complete. The Dungeons in GW2 have some interesting mechanics and not every boss/encounter is tank-n-spank the boss.Complaining about knowing boss abilities and seeing AE effects? Really? I guess Rich E. Doesn’t like any action based RPG (Not just MMO) that has been released in the last 5 years.Complaining about cosmetic rewards? Really? All gear rewards in an RPG are cosmetic.  That stat progression that “hardcores” love so much is an illusion. You get gear with higher stats so you can fight stuff with higher stats. Other than that, its middle age crisis Porche syndrome.The Zhaitan fight involves a Dragon and an Airship… that’s all it has in common with Deathwing. Is the fight against him easy? Relatively, but then he is a story mode boss, it isn’t meant to be hard.Legendaries do not take 7 months to build, people have them already.  Yes, they may have had help from a guild, but that means more than 1 character can contribute to building a legendary.  So you can play your alts and still contribute.  Gems do not buy you the things you need for a legendary.  They can help, but only in that you can buy karma boosts and crafting xp boosts with them.  You can’t buy any of the actual materials you need with them and having more gems doesn’t make getting most of those materials any easier.

            Shall I keep going?

            Of course if you had actually read Rich E.’s post and allied a little bit of reading comprehension you would have seen that his post was empty and full of baiting comments.

            I didn’t play SWTOR because I watched it develop and say it was going to be “more of the same” just with the Star Wars IP.  I wasn’t interested in playing that so I didn’t play. I never called SWTOR bad or offered any criticism of the game in a public forum.  I’ve heard that it has great story.

            As for your “review” it sounds to me that you are just burnt out on MMOs.  Hey GW2 may not be the game for you.  I’m cool with that.  Not being into the game is valid.  Saying the game sucks, is bad, and giving no context or actual critique is not.

          • St_Draco

            By the way, Rich E. isn’t the OP and based on what you’ve said you don’t agree with Razor.

            Additionally, your limited playing experience doesn’t really allow you to agree with Rich E. either.  Most of what he “criticizes” is content experienced beyond lvl30.

            Also, you have to question a guy who keeps playing a game that he doesn’t like. It took him to 90% map completion to realize he didn’t enjoy the majority of the content? What kept him doing what he was doing? It took you to lvl30 to realize the game wasn’t for you, not max level and beyond.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1598094377 Jason Litzau

            No, it’s really accurate. I’ve been playing for about two months now. Have a level 80, two level 30′s and a level 20.

            You’re just a fanboy, who made zero valid, or well constructed counterpoints, other than repeating the word “troll”. You take valid, well constructed criticism personally. For what reason I can’t even fathom.

            I LIKE the game, but the thing is half formed, and over hyped.

            Hey remember those ‘home instances’? You know, the ones that amounted to NOTHING?

            The irony, is that you’re a troll.

      • St_Draco

        Lol, put a lot of effort into this didn’t you? Too bad your “critique” is completely inaccurate and lacks support.

        Another troll hard recycling the same old troll comments and baiting gripes.

  • MMO_NewSkool

    bottom line = there is no teamwork necessary in GW2 PVE to succeed.  none. sure you will get tokens and youll buy flaming armor. but the sense of accomplishment is not there. its more like enduring a dental examination; youre just glad the grind is over and your feel relief.

    what more proof do you need than Arenanet had to scramble to stop pugs from speed farming Explorable Mode dungeons in the FIRST WEEK OF THE GAME. in the first week, random pugs were SPEED farming these dungeons like they were jokes.. cuz they are. Arenanets fix is not to work on making the fights more interesting and challenging.. no, they just add Diminishing Returns.

  • the founderx

     ya really only thing that tempers my annoyance with this game is the lack of sub fee. so basically it was a rageless quitting.

    lots of things to do in GW2 but its all shallow. other than “raiding”, they tried to be “everything to everyone” and thus created a game that was “meh to many”. theres like no reason to be in a PVE guild. no sense of community. i kinda feel like the first days of playing Oblivion. im enjoying seeing some of the zones and some of the events, but overall it feels kinda lonely and random and aimless. i did every single jumping puzzle and i was somewhat addicted to map complettion but then i just didnt know why i was doing it all. the sense of exploration is nice but now that i have map completion with 1 character. I just cannot see myself doing it again with another. no way

    i feel a bit bad for my guildleader too cuz he is trying so hard to make fun events like Richie PRocopio thought of in this video but players just arent logging in anymore.

    • bsqminus4ac

      “ theres like no reason to be in a PVE guild”

      I would turn that around and say that your aren’t “Forced to be in a  PVE guild”. 

      “now that i have map completion with 1 character. I just cannot see myself doing it again with another. no way”

      By the same logic I hated having to run content over and over and over in WoW simply  because the gear I required, in order to have any chance in PVP, didn’t drop for me. 

      As Richie said, GW2 is not for everyone. If you’re OK with grinding through the same content again and again in order to get gear that you  MUST have then GW2 is not for you. GW2 is not about that. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1598094377 Jason Litzau

        “If you’re OK with grinding through the same content again and again in order to get gear that you  MUST have then GW2 is not for you. GW2 is not about that. “Yes it is, it so totally is. This game is virtually nothing but grinding for something. End game loot is just grinding for cosmetic upgrades, Whether it be grinding for gold to just buy the things, or grinding for the obscene requirements to craft them. Dungeon tokens are the ONLY reason to suffer through the terrible dungeons. Even PVP is grinding tokens for random armor models.The entire existence of Legendary Weapons completely destroys these disingenuous claims.

  • Sharuko

    You know a game is in trouble when a little more than a month into release people are trying to use their “creative imagination” to actually find content in a game.  I never thought I would see the day that a mass market hyped MMO has less players than a niche game than Tera.  What a massive disappointment.

    I don’t think player activity can drop lower.

    • Diequex

      Because posting statistics without a source means anything? Last I played Tera there were less servers/less people playing then GW2 currently, and I played the game the first two months it was released. All servers are still High/Full so I am not exactly sure what you’re talking about man. 

      People who have been playing the game a lot are getting bored, sure. It isn’t tailored to your typical MMO player, so like Richie says in the video the game is not for everyone. Despite that… a lot of people are still playing, there has not been some kind of fabricated mass exodus. 

    • Nick Cattane

      Lol, that is the funniest statistic sheet I’ve ever seen.

    • Spammerbam

      I wouldn’t expect the population to be increasing, as GW2 is still very vanilla, with contents still being added. WoW already has years and years of contents and history, people will always come back to it. This doesn’t really hurt Anet at all since GW2 doesn’t have any sub. Players who owns the game will be playing it casually, just like BF3 or TF2. That’s the whole point; it’s for people who work during the day, come home and enjoy an MMO without feeling underpowered. I find it funny that you use Xfire as your main source to measure the whole population within an MMO.

      As for Tera, well, I’m glad you finally admit it is niche.
      Cheers.

    • St_Draco

      So player activity can’t drop lower than 20,000 hours? not bad I mean that’s 2x the next game on xfire which is Minecraft at 10,000 hours. And is ranked 5th according to xfire, Tera is ranked 91st with 440 hours… last I checked 20,000 > 440.

      xfire users playing GW2 6,039.  xfire users playing Tera 106. Last I checked 6,039 > 106

      • Sharuko

        Huh?  Player activity can go to zero, but the drop for GW2 is so steep that it can’t show the complete y-axis.  Secondly, Xfire doesn’t cover all games and not all games support Xfire the fact that it compete with Minecraft should tell you something.

        Lastly, Tera doesn’t support or work with Xfire.  You have to work around the system for Tera to work with Xfire.  Regardless, we shall see where GW2 is in 4 months. :)

        • St_Draco

          Huh?

          “I don’t think player activity can drop lower” So you don’t think player activity can drop below 20,000 hours.  You said it not me. I just spelled it out.

          If GW2 is competing with Minecraft than GW2 is also competing with Call of Duty and WoW (Both are within 2x the amount of hours played).

          Xfire doesn’t count? Is that what you are saying?  If so, why are you using their data?

        • Spammerbam

          Yeah, so who’s the person that’s using their data, and then make an embarrassing excuse about “Tera doesn’t support or work with Xfire”?

        • Ravenstorm

          Still didn’t get your money back eh? Good luck with your witch hunt.

  • Spammerbam

    (duplicate)

  • http://www.facebook.com/morganlynnpotts Morgan Potts

    Frankly I do not get why anyone would be bored, then again I play WvW…alot, but in PvE I sometimes like to pick a map and run across it just to see what DEs pop up, I have barely scratched the surface with those and I find it almost as fun as WvW. My only real complaint about the game is the personal story, just when I thought it got better it took a nose dive to worse. also some of the servers are terrible at WvW, could not even bring myself to play on this one server for an entire week they were so bad, luckily the guild agreed and we moved.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1598094377 Jason Litzau

    “Experience the meta-events” This is fun the first few times you do them. Then you realize the rewards are utterly horrid, and it just becomes another form of grinding, only it takes longer for less rewards.”Stand Out By Grinding”Seriously?How about, no.You see grinding would maybe be something to alleviate boredom (if you’re insane), if Arenanet didn’t constantly do everything in their power, to make the process as excruciating as possible. Constantly nerfing chests, loot, and diminishing returns (just look at the awful Halloween event for proof that they hate rewarding people for actual effort). It’s like Anet wants you to grind, but they don’t want you to be successful at it. Legendary weapons are all based on luck, not effort. And, an extreme long term goal that amounts to a weapon skin.”Create your own adventure in WvW”In other words, Anet doesn’t have to create content, because we can imagine a better game. According to this article, the same can be said about anything. WvW is either mass zerg fests, or empty areas. Please, this is what parents tell their children, when they can’t afford a new toy for the child.The level 80 activities don’t just fail to meet expectations, they outright suck. Everything is a long slogging grind to maybe get a weapon/armor skin.I still enjoy the game, but end game really sucks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/georgi.j.karadzhov Jorku Dee

    this game is so boring i regret i spend my cash on it.(still better than wow though)

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