I Miss Cataclysm


Written by: (Twitter @oliviadgrace - ) | March 21, 2013 7:07 am

I Miss Cataclysm
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I’m not joking, either. I really do miss Cataclysm.

But why? Good question. Let’s dive into the reasons for my nostalgia.

PvP

There’s no doubt that Cataclysm PvP was far from perfect, but its problems were nothing compared to what we have to deal with now. Classes were at least fairly balanced, far from perfectly, of course, but a glance back at things like the Blizzcon 2011 Arena finals when Skill Capped took on OMG, we can see that the balance was working. That was a fantastic match, longer than we’re currently used to, and the differences between then and now are clear.

PvP gear had fewer problems, too, while the latter seasons suffered from the introduction of overpowered PvE gear, the earliest one was pretty darn good. A few troublesome trinkets and some difficult legendary procs caused big issues in the arena and battlegrounds, and meant that the legendary staff was almost required for PvP casters who wanted to have the best gear. And the mixture of pre-nerf Vial of Shadows plus the legendary daggers conspired to make rogues rather too strong.

PvE

One of the biggest criticisms of Cataclysm was that it was too easy to gear, and therefore didn’t give players enough to do. But, in my eyes at least, while there was some truth in that assertion, Mists has swung the pendulum too far in the opposite direction. Yes, patch 5.2 has gone to some lengths to alleviate that issue, but brand new alts still need to work their way through the patch 5.0 and 5.1 content to get to the newest Raid Finder and therefore the newest gear.

The Cataclysm gearing curve was essentially hit 85, head to normal dungeons to buy gear with Justice Points, get into heroic dungeons, gear with both the drops and Valor Points, then you were pretty much ready for raiding. LFR introduced another element to that, making it even easier to gear alts and mains for raiding. The Mists curve is hit 90, then dungeons, questing and dailies to 460, raid finder, dungeons, questing and dailies to 470, and then raid finder, questing and dungeons to 480, then the gearing process for the current content can begin. Daunting? It is rather.

Cataclysm used 5-man content as a catch-up mechanism, and I wonder whether that’s really a bad thing. The Mists approach is rather like saying that you have to eat a big pile of broccoli, spinach and peas before getting your dessert, while the Cataclysm vegetables comprised a few green beans, then it was straight to the ice-cream. And with the exception of the last set of 5-mans, the Cataclysm dungeons provided a great way for tanks, healers and DPS to learn their roles and classes in a fairly challenging environment.

No Ragequit

But don’t worry, I’m not quitting. I’m just nostalgic. Logging on with PvE in mind feels like sitting down to write a huge essay – there’s so much I should be doing that I barely know where to start. Should I have fewer alts? Perhaps, but my small PvE guild needs raiders to have viable alts. What do you think? Do you feel overwhelmed by the gear grind, irritated by the absence of 5-mans to catch up with gear, or to provide tanking and healing practice? Or am I talking utter nonsense?


  • ehtar

    in same boat,..felt that i could do more in less of a time-mostly gearing up, dindnt felt so…. consuming

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=724962502 Joakim Dalle Dahlin

    Honestly stop spewing that you have to do dailies, give it up.

    I’ve leveled and geared 2 alts with ~480 gear right now and started on my Shaman.

    You do dungeons, get 460 pretty easily if you’re willing to do it heroics like in Cata..¨
    Kill a rare to get key to the solo scenario, pump up with Elder charms and hit LFR.

    You hit 470 quite quickly, not as quickly gearing up as in Cata but still. You can use charms on multible occasions,to get those drops that didn’t dropp.

    Getting 480 can be alittle slower but still it’s current content but should an alt be at the same level as your main?

    I like the new way, actually make it feel like you’re progressing your character, the catch up is still there, just not as trivial and fast as in Cata. MoP content lives even when it’s not current because of it, isn’t that how it should be?

  • lolo2k

    Spinache and brocolli? Dinner is the main course… I’m in it for the meal, not only get fat with desert. I dont miss cata. I miss burning crusade. and I will always choose Hardcore instance and rep grinding over eze loot. Burning Crusade prooved to me that hardcore is the way wow should be. But to be honest. Those days are over.

  • http://www.facebook.com/arlie.silver Arlie Ren Silver

    Wrath by far was the best expansion in my book when it comes to content and gearing. You preped for raids by running dungeons none stop and once you had all the drops and marks gear you were able to raid. In the longer raids you needed to get some drops for early bosses to be ready for the later bosses.

    I would love to go back to the gearing and content schedual of wrath, but with the dungeon finder, raid finder, and point system.

  • Bread256

    I personally quit WoW not long after hitting 85 in Cata. Cata, in my opinion, was the absolute worst expansion WoW has seen thus far, and I had essentially played since closed beta. I came back around when MoP launched to try that out, and while I found it be an improvement over Cata, I still did not enjoy it enough to stick around very long after hitting 90. Vanilla and Burning Crusade provided me with my best and most memorable experiences in WoW, and hopefully I can find a new game to match that in the future.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=23331060 Nathan Solinsky

    Maybe your getting tired of WOW? I was very into it for about 4-5 years, but the last couple years I took breaks for months, came back, another long break, tried other MMOS, went back, played completely through cata, did come panda beta and it felt like the same ol’ same ol’. It’s not a game that has anything terribly new or interesting, it looks sad, it’s technically limited it what it will ever be able to offer, and the class/gear/exploit/patch BS will go on forever and you’ll pay for the privilege.

    Fun to write about/discuss/make video’s about, maybe. Still fun to play, not at all anymore for millions of people.

  • Gallath

    Im feeling that you are too much focus on PVP for a game like WoW. You should try a 100% pvp game like League of Legends or at least an MMO that focus more on PVP than PVE ( GW2 maybe?). This article feel like you just want to “provoke” (sorry I dont find a better word) the reader to have 95% of the telling you that Cataclysm was the worst expansion ever.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1080070987 James Dubay

    all i can say bc was by far the best x’pack the heroics were a good mix of easy to hard not only that the raiding exp was awesome

  • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

    Yea I took a break for the semester and doubt I’ll come back for any other reason then pvp. I just wouldn’t waste my time putting all that work into catching up.

  • Evilevi501

    I currently have 4 90s. One is my main (ilvl 510), the rest are playing catch up. Since 5.2, Playing catchup is fairly easy with the free 10plus elder charms from the island and the increased drop rate in lfrs. Add in the 522 gear with new LFR/raiding, most of my alts are around 490 ilvl. And that is ok with me.

    I think the illusion/scar tissue of the rep grind that was 5.0-5.1 is preventing you from seeing the fairly smooth sailing in 5.2. IMHO

    As far as PvP goes, I like it. It’s not my focus so i cant really speak about it authoritatively but the current system works for me so far.

  • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

    I can appreciate how she feels, I think the idea of no new heroics in Mists hit her hard.

    One of the big complaints about Cata was you could sit in Org or SW all day and queue up for Heroics, BGs, RBGs or Arenas. Never had to leave one spot. The only reason you had to move within a city was to purchase that new piece of raid/arena level gear. If you were raiding you could wait for someone to mass summon you into the raid, no fuss, no muss, never having to go anywhere.

    Heck, many a player entered their first raid with a full set of raid equivalent equipment gear, only really needing weapons, trinkets and tier pieces from raids.

    Faction rep, you could run a minimal amount of quests to purchase a faction tabard and never have to work on faction rep again, until you needed to purchase a new tabard. Running heroics earned all the rep you would ever need.

    Mists addressed many of theses complaints, you want raid level gear, then you raid. Attempting to gear through rep grind and VP gear is a hard path to follow. Better designed for that odd piece of gear, not a full set.

    Mists has plenty of content out in Pandaria, be it dailies, tiller farms, faction questlines, legendary questlines, warbringers, world bosses, rare spawns and summon bosses. Plenty of individual and small group content, but you do have to leave the capital cities to find them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jan-Lappalainen/882015623 Jan Lappalainen

    I played wow since vanilla and quit during cataclysm because it was really that bad, compared to everything that had come before. I find it hard to believe that MoP could be worse. If they made it harder to get gear then it was def a step in the right direction.

    • http://twitter.com/Deadalon Deadalon

      Its not harder. Just more random based on LFR on weekly CD.

    • http://twitter.com/Luke_Malcolm Luke Malcolm

      Actually the raiding is fun & challenging for once, Hardwork pays off in the end as I’m really enjoying Throne of Thunder. it isn’t a pushover. The Hardcore guilds who spend night & day with get through it eventually. But other guilds will progress through it and hopefully be done, by the time Siege of Orgrimmar (5.4) comes out.

  • http://twitter.com/Hagg3r Michael

    If you play WoW for pvp you are playing it for the wrong reason tbh. Cata PvP was far from balanced. I don’t think there has actually been a point in time where WoW pvp was fairly balanced ever. There was always at least 1-2 classes that vastly out shined everyone else. It is probably the most poorly balanced MMO considering how long it has been around. It is pretty pathetic if you ask me.

    If Blizzard focused less on revamping the talent/skill system every single expansion they would probably be better off with class balance.

  • lilmissy4205

    I wrote a blog post about Cataclysm gearing back when it was first launched. It seems that my experience was VASTLY different from yours. If I look at the finale of Cataclysm, it was a lot less daunting. But in the beginning, I remember that you either had to do some PVP to get your first epics to even set-foot into raid content or your team was struggling against some of the first few bosses. It was the first expansion where the lack of epic drops off the last boss was, in my opinion, really felt.

    But my system for gearing up in Mists is also different from yours as well. I don’t do many of the 5-mans now. In fact, I do mostly scenarios. While that’s with my alts who are mostly pure dps, I find them much faster and less of a heartache compared to 5-man heroics.

    And 5-man heroics haven’t really felt right in either Cata or Mists. I preferred the Wrath system of 5-man heroics. They were somewhat challenging, but fast and usually fun for me when I was a healer.

  • http://twitter.com/Deadalon Deadalon

    There is no doubt that Blizzard is swinging back and forth when it comes to alts. Easy – hard – boring – painfull – easy. Not good experience. But I think Blizz will be going back to extra easy before MOP is over. They somehow need to get ppl back. Cause there are so many that have given up after the horror of the dailies.

    Dailies and LFR… X5 if you play 5 characters. Have fun!

  • http://twitter.com/DanielReasor Daniel Reasor

    With the current endgame, Blizzard seems to have focused like a laser on the mantra: “players unsubscribed during Cataclysm because they moved through content too quickly.” That’s the foundation that Mists of Pandaria was built on. Whatever your favorite part of the game is, you have to clear hurdles to get to it. You have to do dailies for rep just to complete the instanced FARM minigame.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Max-Lanctot/653378742 Max Lanctot

    Cata and Wrath just plain felt more enjoyable to me, Mists just feels too much like a 2nd job to me. I was a top heroic raider on my server all throughout Cata and have zero intrest anymore since Mists. Blizz just wants the content to be drawn out as long as possible to get the most out of your sub.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mooncastyre Melissa Waldrup-Old

    WotLK was hands down the best expansion in regards to story, questing, exploration, and variety of content. After 4 years of playing, Cataclysm was the expansion that made me walk away. The questing was lackluster, there was little feeling of exploration, no sanctuary city, and little reason to get out in the world. Just queue up for dungeons, port back to Stormwind, rinse and repeat. Dungeons and raids alienated healers because the difficulty was so unforgiving, DPS would die if they stood in the fire more than a second and then blame the healer. People were so stressed about completing heroics they would scream at each other and boot people left and right. Rep grinding felt grindier than ever. And what was it all for? Deathwing? Eh, more like the Twilight’s Hammer cult. Which has been done to death. Cataclysm killed any fun I had in WoW, for good, and got me to quit. MoP made sure I didn’t come back.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Feyd-Darkholme/100000194391744 Feyd Darkholme

    I miss TBC (and Vanilla), WoW started to go down hill after that. Certainly there were some good things in subsequent expansions and patches, but the core of the game has been forever sullied by these bad changes. TBC wasn’t perfect certainly, and I would definitely like some of the changes that came after, but so much was done wrong that I owuld trade it all to start again from TBC.

  • Kingmob23

    No I don’t miss Cata. MoP had around the same amount of content as all of cata at launch. Though the changes they made to dumbing down my feral druid iritates me to no end in MoP.

  • Josh F.

    Meh Cata. I miss Vanilla. Which is why I play on a free Classic server =P For anyone interested: EmeraldDream(dot)com

  • Hearthless

    I had to stop playing WoW after Dragonsoul came out. Such a huge disappointment. As good as everything else may have been with that expansion that last raid tier…. just, eh. Blizzard lifts you up to drop you down all the time. I never stopped falling after that tier.

  • http://twitter.com/videobuzzard David Manchester

    Cataclysm was only great if you didnt want to play WoW very much.

  • http://twitter.com/IARRynk David Giles

    From my experience so far, MoP is a horrible expansion for people who join late. Essentially I can see this gear grind turning a lot of new and returning players off, unless they get lucky with the RNG.

  • Dein

    No.. just no.

    The pve side is just fine the way it is. I hit level 90 on my monk a week ago, and was ToT ready within a week. (Lore was the same way with his monk) I never touched the 5.0 factions, I did each dungeon maybe once, not even some.. headed straight to the isle, did dailies for a few days, got a key from a rare, did a treasure run, did 5.0 lfr’s, and was ready to go a week after i hit 90.

    It’s much better this way. You actually feel like your progressing your character.

  • Kongolo

    I agree the cats gearing curve was easy.. and yes mop curve have taken it too far to the other side.. I personally liked that aspect of data.. I don’t play for long duration in wow so it was suited perfectly for me.. and I miss that, mop have made it rly hard to gear up for normals or rather took too long time.

    Blitz need to bring the 5-man back and raise the justice gear to 463.. only then things will feel “right”

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