It’s no secret that most politicians are against violent video games

As part of their larger effort to address mass shootings in the wake of the tragedy in Newtown, Conn. politicians everywhere have been proposing the use of federal dollars for scientific research on the “relationship between popular culture and gun violence.” It all started when President Obama allotted $10 million to the CDC for research of the effects of violent video games, now there are a bunch of proposed bans, lawmakers in several states are fighting to levy a tax on such games, one senator even said that video games are worse than guns. However, one politician in particular, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the highest-ranking female politician in American history, has come out to defend violent video games, and says that they are not the cause of violence in America.

Nancy-Pelosi-webYesterday on Fox News Sunday, Fox’s Sunday-morning interview program, host Chris Wallace talked to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) about her defense of video games against the accusation that they produce violence in society.

“As part of your plan, you call for more scientific research on the connection between popular culture and violence. We don’t need another study, respectfully,” said Wallace. “We know that these games where people have their heads splattered, these movies, these TV shows… why don’t you go to your friends in Hollywood and challenge… shame them and say ‘knock it off?’”

Wallace never actually finished his thought about violent video games, so the world may (tragically) never hear what the anchor “knows” about them.

Pelosi responded with a common talking point that gamers use frequently, but it’s not one we’ve heard from many politicians.

“I understand what you’re saying” Pelosi said “I’m a mother, I’m a grandmother, but the evidence says that, in Japan for example, they have [as many violent video games as any other country] and the lowest mortality from guns. I don’t know what the explanation is for that, except they might have good gun laws.”

Max Fisher at the Washington Post recently examined the point that the countries with the largest video game markets appear to have no statistical correlation between video game consumption and gun-related killings. In fact some of this data proved that “countries where video games are popular also tend to be some of the world’s safest (probably because these countries are stable and developed, not because they have video games).”

Here’s the data Fisher found for video game spending per capita and gun-related homicides in the world’s 10 largest video game markets:



So what exactly do these statistics mean? Well in short, there doesn’t seem to be much correlation between video game consumption and gun-related murders. In fact if there was any correlation the chart would have an upward trend but it doesn’t. However it is plain to see that the United States does stand way out, so there obviously is some problem but perhaps we should focus the blame off of video games and other pop culture media and focus on figuring out where we are really going wrong.

You can see Fishers study in its entirety over on the Washington Post.

  • Bruce Motherwell

    How can officials look at charts like these in america and not realize they have fucked up with gun regulations? -.-‘ 3300% higher than the uk/ust/fr, wow.

    • Bahska

      It’s all about Money. Take Connecticut for example, they wanted to pass a state law forcing a gun manufacturer in there state to put special serial numbers on there guns so they can track them better and the company threatened to leave the state taking jobs with them.
      That discussion has been shelved….

      It’s not about deaths its about power and money always has been always will be.  Whoever has the most money and biggest lobbying power wins.

      The only time i have ever seen money not work is last year during an election year with SOPA and its many variations.

  • Jonathan Hornsby

    I’ll tell you what is really going wrong; we’ve lived in a culture of fear for so long that the stress is making people snap. Honestly; I challenge you to name one political election in the last two decades where someone or something wasn’t held up as “a threat to our way of life.” America is an institution fueled by fear and there isn’t a single facet of our culture that doesn’t in some way inspire fear.

    We’ve got TV making you afraid of everything from A to Z, politicians making you afraid of anything that will get them a few votes, church making you afraid of the devil, and even whole genres of games (modern military FPS) making you afraid of terrorists. What this country needs more than anything else is to take a deep breath and calm the heck down for five minutes. (Ironically I use video games, at times violent ones, to relax at the end of the day. Of the people I know, the self described “gamers” are some of the most calm and rational.)

    • Jeremy Keat

      The chance of being shot or killed in any given year in school as a child is less than one in a million. Yet these shootings get national attention for weeks and people get all nutty on how to defend them and how we should go nuts on guns because they are scary tools people use to kill with.

      We also have a boogy man every election year. This 2012 cycle was all about the Iranian boogyman and the economic one China. It is always “if you elect this guy, the future is gone forever!!!!”

      Its been terrorism regarding mostly the middle past 4 elections and some North Korea. Ever since then it has been cold war and communism for the past 40 years and beyond.

    • Kevin J. Redmond

      You and Mr. Keat have gotten it right, I think.  It’s gotten to the point that it is borderline abusive towards the elderly.  Every time I see my grandmother she is terrified about some new thing she heard on the news, whether it is theft, murder, e coli  or a bolt of lightning.

      I would highly encourage both of you to read Michael Crichton’s novel, “State of Fear.” When read objectively, it can be a real eye opener.  America didn’t used to scare so easily, and it is tragic that we let our fear consume us.

      “I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
      “Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.”
      –Thomas Jefferson

      • Terrece Herman

        When has the American public not scare easily, the 50s? ask the phantom communists, the 40s ask the anyone German, the 30s ask Jewish, the 20s ask the Blacks, the 10s ask the Germans, the 1900s, ask the anyone non-English. 

        However, fear mongering is a politician’s most potent weapon in elections and no amount of rational thought will go defeat it unless it is so outrageous that even the politician’s own party will say that fool is crazy. The US has been a violent nation since its founding and due to archaic notions that we all need to be armed to protect ourselves from anything, violence will continue, however the public’s idea of its cause changes with each generation. Some times, we just have to ride it out and fight the nonsense when we can because unfortunately in our children’s time it will something else just as asinine. 

        • Kevin J. Redmond

          There is a big difference between your decade-generalizations and now, the advent and wide-acceptance of television and broadcast journalism in the early 50’s being the biggest difference.  The standards to which the earliest television journalists held themselves and what we have now is also notably different.  Before the 50’s, everyone didn’t get all of their news from a handful of select sources the way we do now.  You had to make an effort to stay informed, but now we just lazily soak up whatever happens to be thrown at us across the digital waves.  There is an increasing degree of fear mongering as a result, because it is so easy to convince the mass populace they should be afraid of something now… because none of them will verify it.

          In the 20’s, 30’s, and 40’s all we really had was radio and newspapers.  I won’t say that it was always accurate, or that there wasn’t such a thing as sensationalism, but you can’t honestly claim it was anything like what we have today.  I never said that we didn’t make mistakes, or that people were never afraid of anything… but now we’re constantly barraged with the idea that we should be afraid of everything and we need big daddy government to protect us.  This is America.  People bled for us to have the right and responsibility to take care of ourselves.

          I would also point out that everything you mentioned — none of it was the entire American population being afraid.  We didn’t hide and cower from communism, we fought against it.  The Jews flocked here to find safety from the Reich.   The blacks stood up and fought for their rights.  You discredit every group in every example you mentioned, because you label them all into a giant pot of “Americans have always scared easily.”  No, sir… those groups all stood up against injustice and against those in this country that sought to use our fear against us, and they won… only to throw it all away now for the sake of an illusory safety that will never happen.

  • Anthony Botz

    how did a liberal get on Fox news? That’s the real question….but speaking of questions…how about that ambush phrasing on that question. We know that these games cause violence….why study it. :/ well…yes, I will agree, why study it, because we’ve had studies in the past, several, and they all say the same thing. Not connected. No relationship. Nothing to do with eachother. But I understand for the Fox Conservitives, it’s not about facts…they have a long time liberal bias after all, it’s about how you /feel/ about something. And they /feel/ that video games have a weak lobby and they /feel/ like they’d like some more money from the NRA.

    • Wraith

      That’s quite a interesting rant you have there. Of course it’s devoid of actual facts. Let’s spin back the year clock to.. 2005. Then Sen. Hillary Clinton sponsored a bill, that within the language of the bill stated that there was research connecting video game violence with real life violence, that bill thankfully never made it out of committee. The bill was known was the Family Entertainment Protection Act.

      Here are some cut and pastes for you to digest.. and you really need to digest it because it isn’t just “Fox Conservatives” spouting forth this nonsense.. it’s one of
      the Democrats (possibly first Female President) main forces saying this.

      (1) Research shows that exposure to video games, television, movies, and other forms of media has powerful effects on the development of children and adolescents and that such effects can be positive or negative depending on the nature and content of the media.

      (2) Experimental research and longitudinal research conducted over the course of decades shows that exposure to higher levels of violence on television, in movies, and in other forms of media in adolescence causes people in the short-term and, after repeated exposure, even years later to exhibit higher levels of violent thoughts, anti-social and aggressive behavior, fear, anxiety, and hostility, and desensitization to the pain and suffering of others.

      (3) This evidence is so strong, it has been replicated in so many populations, and it draws on such diverse methodologies that a 2003 comprehensive review of the literature concluded `the scientific debate over whether media violence increases aggression and violence is essentially over’ and 6 major medical and public health organizations, including the American Medical Association and the American Psychological Association, issued a Joint Statement to Congress in 2000 stating that research points `overwhelmingly to a causal connection between media violence and aggressive behavior’.

      The rest of this bill is to praise and strengthen the ESRB system.

      I know.. facts hurt. This is not a partisan issue.. stop pretending it is. Like you said.. facts have a liberal bias.. too bad you ignored them in your rant.

  • Dan Winborne

    It has nothing to do with gun laws, its our way-of-life in America. We’re taught that we’re all unique snow-flakes, and need to strive to be more power than each other. Greed & lust are the daily fumes here…

  • Blacksand

    Woah, us Dutch people spend the most money on games (p.c.)  O.o

  • Kagitaar

    Japan does have much stricter gun laws, to the tune of no legal guns at all. That has the tendency to reduce gun violence just a tad.

    • Kevin J. Redmond

      They are also allowed to search your home without a warrant and without due cause, just on a whim.  The type of society that exists in Japan isn’t something many Americans would consider a free society.  It’s apples/oranges really, because their entire culture and ideology is very different from our own.

      • Kagitaar

        I don’t know about the searching bit, that is beyond my knowledge, but yeah, it is a vastly different culture. My point was that the only legal guns in Japan are in the hands of the military and police ON DUTY, even they can’t take them home. Even on the illegal side, the yakuza don’t really use them a lot, just not how they do things.

        • Demi_God

          Most of the police on the streets are unarmed, they carry around a stick with two colors as their only weapon.  The police can hold you for 3 days without giving you a reason.  They radio in for the equivalent of a swat team if they need guns.

          As to the Yakuza comment I have to chuckle.  Members don’t always carry a gun because they never use them.  The Yakuza aren’t so much bloodthirsty as bipolar.  You are either left alone or you are dead.  Generally speaking most of their violence is all in house killing each other or the Russian mafia, which is why so few real numbers are known.  But they kill just enough business owners and politicians outside the Yakuza to maintain a certain level of fear that keeps their place in society profitable and few enough to remain outside the public spotlight.

          As Kevin said Japan is very different.  Americans tend to find their society rather stifling.

  • Jeremy Keat

    US has the greatest income disparity of all the first world nations, I think that explains ALL of our violence well. Also we are a nation of war (including on drugs)  which happens to be the must drugged up country of all first world countries on prescription drugs.

    We look to tools like guns to blame, we look to fictional media to blame and we ignore the plain as day facts. The only media to blame is the war pandering news media, war and soldier glorifying commercials and political pandering. When it is known all war is based off of deceit, especially ours and is an atrocity to partake in.

  • Quiet

    we are attention whores. stop putting the names of infamous killers all over headlines and instead put the names of the heroes, I bet within 5 years you see a huge drop.  

  • Jesse W Heikkila

    the Japanese have a great respect for death they know what it means is something that they discuss greatly throughout the culture and is something that should be covered greatly in schools but is not

  • Feyd Darkholme

    Of course she’s deflecting anything that takes away from the democrats agenda to blame violence on guns and get them banned… It’s statecraft 101. The second all guns are banned expect violence in video games to go back on their radar… if we aren’t embroiled in open civil war by then.

    • Luke Malcolm

      Oh I’m sure, if there anything done to video games there will be more than just civial war.

    • Jeremy Keat

      Blaming fictional media is a losing battle, so the ignorant republicans (and some democrats to be fair) aren’t doing any favors for protecting the second amendment by attacking the first.

      • Wraith

        To be really fair.. one of those “ignorant” democrats may be the first Female President of the US. Look up Sen. Hillary Clinton’s bill “Family Entertainment Protection Act”. You should check out my cut and pastes from the bill including the parts in the bill that claim that there was research and the science is conclusive.. that there is a casual link between violent entertainment and RL violence.

        Don’t get me wrong thou… I think it’s BS and I challenge the Govt to produce these studies so that the public can review them.

    • DoctorOverlord

      No argument about Pelosi using Statecraft 101, I think the only reason she brought this up was because the NRA tried the clueless excuse of blaming video games for violence first.   I’m pretty sure if the NRA claimed video games were fine, Pelosi would be saying video games make children into psychos.  

      Nonetheless, it is good to finally see SOMEONE (democrat or republican I don’t care) bringing up the point of other countries that have violent video games.   This rather huge piece of evidence that covers years of data and populations of millions of people always seems to get ignored in whenever video games are made into a scapegoat.  

  • Luke Malcolm

    Americans politicians are just a joke, it will be death of them & the health of the country will suffer aswell.

    • Joseph Gabrielli

      We know.

  • Nick Tucker

    japan dose have good gun laws but they do slip up once in a while. Reason behind this is because after WWII they ban all guns from there country and far as i know do not have a military force to prevent same disaster from ever happening.

    • Daniel Scott Blair

      They have the JSDF.

    • Demi_God

      Weapons including guns were illegal long before WWII.  The Edo period, 1603 to be exact.  When they did finally come to Japan it was exclusively for military use roughly 1870 during the Meiji period.

      And the JSDF (Japan Self-Defense Force) is an extremely professional “militia” containing infantry, tanks and planes.  Most of their equipment is training quality only though.  I don’t think they use real rifles to train with most of the time, just over sized paperweights. 

      Both China and Korea are still extremely afraid of a fully restored professional Japanese military though.  This is why the United States still has bases in Japan.  The equivalent of a Cold War scenario would kick off if the USA left the region, or worse, an actual war.

      • Wraith

        No wonder Godzilla always stomped Tokyo. *chuckle*

  • DoctorOverlord

    FINALLY.   It is good to see someone bringing up the data about other countries that also have violent video games and compare their violence statistics.    I’ve been posting about Japan since this discussion started, I did not know about Max Fisher’s research.   

    That is a nice piece of data gathering but it would have been better if he looked at the overall violent crime rate and compared those rates.  I’d be willing to bet the numbers are pretty much the same.  Expanding Mr. Fisher’s data to cover decades of violent crime statistics and video games sales will no doubt show the same trends.  Surprising data too, I expected South Korea to be up at the top of game consumption but Netherlands beat them out?   And look at that, they have less gun-violence than Canada.  Maybe video games don’t turn children into crazed murderers afterall.  Maybe this is a sign that the media and political groups will stop trying to use video games as a scapegoat and start looking for real answers rather than trying to drum up hysteria of the same clueless parents who were afraid little Johnny would go crazy watching Elmer Fudd shoot Daffy Duck in the face. 

    • Dularr

      Same way much of the violence in early cartoons no longer shown and was edited out. There will come a day when most of the violence in video games will be removed. 

      Don’t forget Bugs Bunny in the  “Hunting Trilogy” of “Rabbit Season/Duck Season” shorts (Rabbit Fire, Rabbit Seasoning, and Duck! Rabbit, Duck!) 

      • DoctorOverlord

        I miss those Warner Brother cartoons, I really enjoyed them.   But I suppose that means I must have been emotionally scarred as a child and destined to turn into a blood-crazed zombie.    I’ll be eagerly waiting for that to happen to me and the millions of other people who grew up on that violent-filled Saturday morning entertainment. 

        Regretfully, you may be quite correct that violence will be slowly censored out of video games.   It will have absolutely *zero* effect on the rate of violent crimes of that future society but it will make the politicians and parents feel like they’re doing something constructive so they can pat themselves on the back.   

        Which, afterall, is the purpose of a scapegoat.  

    • Demi_God

      I hate to be cliche, but comparing the United States to Japan is like comparing apples to uhhh Japanese apples?  They are very different, ok.

      The fact of the matter is there is between 70,000 and 100,000 Yakuza members in Japan.  And they are incredibly violent and well armed.  If they weren’t the Russian mafia or another organized crime syndicate would have moved in.  85,000 yakuza equals 85,000 well armed Yakuza.  But you will find little to no information on the amount of murders and crimes they commit. 

      You probably never heard about the three US soldiers that were shot by a Yakuza member in Tokyo around 2001 or 2002 when the soldiers stepped out into the street in front of a car with tinted windows.  Broad daylight on a busy street, and they were gunned down.  Almost zero media coverage was given in this country or Japan for that incident.  The Yakuza in Japan are very well insulated and the media in Japan is quick to over look anything that tarnishes Japan’s image to the rest of the world. 

      The point being gun murders don’t happen in Japan, people just disappear. 

      • DoctorOverlord

        I realize Japan is a very different country, that is why I suggested it would have been better if they had compared overall violent crime statistics rather than gun-related deaths since firearms are much more difficult to obtain in some countries.     

        Cultural differences are normalized in this analysis because the data compares more ‘US-like’ countries like Canada, Australia and the UK.  You aren’t suggesting that the data for every one of those countries on that graph is being covered up and the US is the only nation in the world being truly honest about violence in their borders?

        Even if the Japanese media doesn’t cover violent crime (and your rationale about tarnishing their image is a good point) international, non-Japanese groups like Amnesty International would notice if there were truly significant numbers of secret murders being committed, just as they did with the Mexican drug cartels.   Also the Japanese are world-renown for their scientific prowess and if was found their social scientists were faking data on a mass scale that would be an even worst blemish to their reputation.

        Finally, the media and political group’s arguments have never been that video games create organized crime.  Video games get blamed for tragedies like Columbine or Sandy Hook where the implication is that supposedly ‘normal’ people are being corrupted by insidious, evil video games.    

        The data in the article could have been more complete or detailed but nonetheless, it is a refreshing change of looking at facts rather than pandering to clueless hysteria.

        • Demi_God

          You can test the statistics with common sense.  Estimates suggest there are about 85,000 Yakuza members.  A good common sense scenario as to how many of their members use a gun to commit a murder per year is 1 in 100 or 850 gun related homicides per year in Japan.   Effectively that is less than one murder in the average life time of a Yakuza member.
          However, I could still be wrong, so let’s increase my estimate by a factor of ten and say that there is a murder rate of 1 in 1000 amounting to 85 gun related homicides. 

          85 is still over double the reported 36 gun related homicides shown on the graph, and why I believe it is totally beyond a doubt misleading.  As to the reasons for these discrepancies, I can only guess.

          • DoctorOverlord

            I do not think you are correctly reading the graph.   At all.  The y-axis is gun-related deaths *per 100,000 people*.   (It does not specify whether this is per year but let’s assume that is the case.)

            A value of 85 on that graph would mean that for every 100,000 people in Japan, 85 are killed by guns.   Japan has a population of 127 million.   That would mean 85 x 1270 = 107,950 people are killed by guns in Japan.   Since Japan is not currently at war, that defies the common sense you bring up.
            Secondly, where do you get a value of 36 that you mention from anywhere on that graph?   The US has the highest value on the graph which is about 3.2. Did you think the Y-axis was showing factors of 10 and that top scale was 35 not 3.5? (Even if the top value on the Y-axis was 35, the highest value is under that).

            If you do the calculations (and I have) using the US value on the graph of about 3.1 deaths per 100,000 people you end up with over 9,000 which matches Dept of Justice and Bureau of Statistic references (and yes, I looked and can post links if asked).

            Sorry if I’m harping on this but you shouldn’t imply that I need to be using “common sense” when the data is not saying what you think it is at all.   Too often people today just glance over data and then jump to conclusions.

            Finally on the subject of common sense, there are eight other nations on that graph.  Even if the Japanese data was incorrect, the argument that violent video games does not correlate to gun violence unless the data for all those countries was wrong. And that defies common sense.

          • Demi_God

            Using the graph to back calculate the statistics is rather futile, so I found the statistics.

            National Safety Council was the one I spent the most time looking over.  I visited a lot of sites though. 

            It was hard to find any data on the murder rate in Japan with firearms.  When I did, 36 total deaths was the reported number. 

            By comparison US is between 10,000-11,000 gun related homicides. 

          • DoctorOverlord

            In your previous post you said you got the value of 36 *on the graph*.   Now are you saying that value is from a different report that you found?

            What graph did you mean in your previous post?   If it wasn’t the one in the article, you should have mentioned getting that value from somewhere else.    

            And the numbers you found match the calculations extracted from the graph which I posted.   I came up with over 9,000 gun-related homicides, roughly the same as the 10,000-11,000 you found.   So clearly is it not futile to use some simple math to back calculate numbers that were used to create a graph. 

            Your original reply was saying there were these Yakuza-related killings in Japan that were not being accounted for in the original article.    Yet every number you have given so far in your posts, whether it was 850, 85 or 36 are all far, far lower than the 10,000 for the US that you have just posted.   Do you believe that the reported US numbers are correct?   If so then the 850 Yakuza-related killings that are based on your own assumptions are insignificant compared to the US gun-related homicide totals.   

            That means the trend shown by the graph still holds regardless of whether Yakuza killings are reported or not.    And comparison of these statistics from the US to Japan or any of the other developed countries is still legitimate, it is not apples to oranges.

  • Demi_God

    So where is the part in the interview where she says that she will take out the provision in her party’s bill for more study of real life violence in relation to video games? 

    Doesn’t seem like her actions are consistent with her word.  If you know the obvious, which is that there is no correlation, why spend more money on studying it or did I miss that part of the interview?

    • nathan law

      more study will only add to the mounting evidence that there is no relation.. 

      • Demi_God

        Correct.  My point is the woman you complimented as “but atleast some of the US politicians aren’t stupid’, is one of the key players pushing for these studies. 

      • Dularr

        Sadly any additional studies will have no relation to public policy. 

      • Wraith

        Actually in 2005, Sen. Hillary Clinton put forth a bill, Family Entertainment Protection Act, that claims in the bill that there is evidence and that the science is conclusive that there is a link.

        Don’t argue with me.. I think that the whole idea is hogwash also.. but the R&Ds are up to something… 

  • Dularr

    Don’t even think she is a friend of gamers or the game development industry.   She simply recognizes that the discussion about violent video games is a distraction from her political goal of gun confiscation from Americans who have never used guns in a criminal manner.

    She would back any and all attempts to limit and regulate the content of video games, if it was politically popular.

    • nathan law

      there are alot of people who never used guns in a criminal manner before shooting 20 school kids.

      • Michael Connor

        Really? A lot? Please define a lot because you clearly don’t know the meaning of it. The amount of people that commit crimes like this are a tiny, very tiny, amount of the entire population. Closer to about 1 in every 50 million. Now how is that a lot?

        Had you said a lot of people had and never will use their guns in an illegal manner, your statement would be true.

        • nathan law

          true fact: its been 30 years (this year excluded, but give it time) since there was a year where there was not a shooting in a school in america.

          • Kevin J. Redmond

            What’s your source, because I’m calling B.S. on that one.

          • nathan law

            well since you ask, 
            2013-lone star college no deaths (yeap great start to the year, turns out there is one in 2013)
            2012-sandyhook 26 deaths
            2011-virginia tech 2 deaths
            2010- ohio state 2 deaths
            2009- atlanta university 1 death
            2008- northern Illinois university 6 deaths
            2007- virginia tech 33 deaths
            2006 – essex elementary 2 deaths
            2005 – redlake senior high 8 deaths
            2004 – maryland 1 death
            2003- red lion junior high 2 deaths 
            2002- university or arizona nursing school 4 deaths
            2001 – santana high school 2 deaths
            2000 – lake worth middle school 1 death
            1999 – columbine high school 15 deaths
            1998 – westside middle school 5 deaths
            1997 – heath highschool 3 deaths
            1996 – frontier middle school 3 deaths
            1995 – richland highschool 2 deaths
            1994 – wickliffe middle school 1 death.
            1993 – east carter high 2 deahts
            1992 – lidhurst high 4 deaths
            1991 – university of iowa 6 deaths
            1990 – south forsyth high 0 deaths
            1989 – Cleveland school 6 deaths
            1988 – hubbard woods – 1 death
            1987 – murray wright highscool 1 death
            1986 – fergus highscool 1 death
            1985 -1985 goddard junior high 1 death
            1984 – southeast polk highscool 2 deaths
            1983 – parklife south middle school 2 deaths
            1982 – valley highscool 1 death.
            and that’s 30 years from 2012, you can even have a cookie, because there wasn’t one in 1981, and before that go back to 1973 for a year that was safe for your children.

          • Greg Mason

            Your 2011 Virginia Tech shooting was not a school shooting, it was an attack on a cop half a mile from the school. 

            Obviously these shootings have links to the culture and not guns, since these shootings started regularly since the 1980s.  It’s not gun laws, or guns themselves.  It’s something in the culture, not video games altogether, but something in the culture has changed.

          • nathan law

            ok san jose state university, 3 deaths 2011, also this isn’t something that has only been happening since the 80’s it’s been going on for much longer than that, it’s just only been a thing that’s happened every year since then.

          • Kevin J. Redmond

            I’m still waiting for a source.  I didn’t ask you to personally list them, I asked for your source. Big difference. I’m curious where you are getting your information, because I’m not going to take what someone spouts as fact as a real fact when I don’t know them or their motives.  You also speak in hyperbole, which I find discredits you as a source.  You say 1973 was a safe year for children, but according to the statistics at the CDC every year is a safe year for children.  (Notice how I reveal my source?)

            I would also point out that correlation is not causation. There has probably been at least one person struck by lightning every year as well, but that doesn’t mean there is an epidemic of lightning striking humans and we should write new legislation to help protect us from the lightning. I could make a hundred more of these regressive fallacies, but I suspect it shan’t make any difference to you since you already subscribe to one.

          • nathan law

            sources are various, use google and you can confirm them all as legitimate however. i looked into it myself out of curiosity.

          • nathan law

            oh and it’s worth pointing out that this is only 1 shooting from each year, many had more than one.

      • Dularr

        There were significant mental issues that should have been addressed. 

        Instead, the reaction is to take away individual rights and start branding large section of the population as criminals.  

      • Wraith

        A lot? Really? How many registered gun owners in America? How many have used firearms to kill 20+ kids?

        You are the guy that says “10 inches” too huh?

    • DoctorOverlord

      No argument there.   As I said in an earlier post, if the NRA had said that video games were not the problem, I would expect Pelosi would be saying they should all be confiscated.

      It the was Post article that made me more hopeful.  It was a nice change to see a news outlet finally presenting sensible a counter-argument to the typical video game hysteria.

      How many people remember Jack Thomson and all the attention the media used to lavish on him for his anti-video game views?    Of course, now that he’s been disbarred he doesn’t get as many interviews lol  

  • nathan law

    i don’t have a clue who this woman is, but atleast some of the US politicians aren’t stupid.

    • Kevin J. Redmond

      Believe me, she is pretty stupid.  One good call doesn’t make up for a million bad ones, not to mention she is only saying this because blaming games would detract from what she wants all the attention to be on.

      • Jado Cast


    • Jado Cast

      LOL, trust me, she’s not that smart.  If you knew who she was, you would know what I mean.  I almost fell out of my chair when I read the quote because this is probably the only thing she’s every said that used common sense.  

      She once said that they needed to pass the bill so they know what’s in it referring to Obama’s Health Care Affordability Act, aka Obama Care.  She is the Minority Leader of the House (Democrats) and former Speaker of the House, when she made the comment.  She admitted she didn’t even read the bill she was pushing so hard to pass.  

    • Len Hobbel

       You really do not know Pelosi. Look at her  there is a reason why she looks that way….stupid normally looks like that But since you are here on gamebreakerTV i wonder what games you play….kitty land? Mr rogers happy little priest house?

      • nathan law

        I play not giving a fuck about us politics because i don’t live there and whatever they do doesn’t effect me anyway but as an outsider looking in it looks like a country being ran by a bunch of gun loving morons the game. it’s a pretty good game.

        • Kevin J. Redmond

          That’s interesting, considering when our markets started going downhill the rest of the world’s did too.  You’re a bit naive if you think in this global age one large country doesn’t have an impact on the rest of the world.  Just because you don’t see how it affects you doesn’t mean it doesn’t actually affect you. You also display one of the biggest problems in the U.S. — apathy.  Maybe you belong here.

  • Krzysztof Kotarba

    we all looking at you murica… and we /facepalm… there were like few shootings already (since newtown) it seems more you show violence in TV more it happens.

    • Kevin J. Redmond

      Actually, it is happening less.  Maybe you should look at yourself instead, and ask yourself why you buy into all the sensationalism in the media like all the Americans you are “looking” at and “facepalming” do.  There is no causal link between violence in TV and real-world violence.

  • Dench

    I would like to create a post from a pro 2A perspective, but
    I don’t want to take the time only for it not to be approved by the staff here.
    I wrote up a few paragraphs in the Fox News video about the 2A in America,
    including Supreme Court cases for reference, and it was never posted on the
    board. That post was neither inflammatory nor disrespectful, and the irony of
    it was I mentioned how the 1st Amendment was already eroded, and I
    was censored here on top of it.

    It’s your website, not mine. I know that I do not have the
    right to say what I wish here, but nothing I said was disrespectful or hateful.

    I guess gamebreaker wants to have a one sided discussion
    about the 2nd Amendment.


    It’s a shame. There are many in Generation Y who are pro 2A,
    but there are also those in the same generation who wish to censor those they
    do not agree with.

    • Jado Cast

      I wrote a pro 2A comment on the fox topic and I didn’t get censored, so not sure what happened  but I don’t think its because of any political leanings one way or another.  Otherwise, I would have been censored too, right?

      • Kevin J. Redmond

        Yeah I’m pretty sure they don’t read the messages before they are posted, they don’t get approved/disproved before they show up.  They might get removed if they break the rules, such as name-calling or inflammatory speech or trolling… but mine always show up instantly.

        • Dench

          I’m not sure what happened then. When I posted in that Fox News article I was told in a pop up that it was waiting for approval. I didn’t get that message on this news link.

          I did notice Jado Cast’s posts and thought it was odd that mine never appeared yet his were there.

          Good to see that there was a mix up and not a deletion. 

          • Jado Cast

            Did you put a link in the comment?  That might be the issue.  Also, I think certain words can require approval from the moderator, and after a certain amount of time it just times out.  I remember Old Ben saying some of his comments never posted because of something like this I think.  I’m surprised Q hasn’t responded to you though.

          • Dench

            there were 3 or 4 supreme court wiki links in the post.

          • Jado Cast

            That’s why, GBTV doesn’t like links.  :)

  • Revanhavoc

    It continues to amaze me that people who have never experienced the effects of gun violence in their community can be so passionate about sweeping the problem under the rug.

    • Kevin J. Redmond

      I don’t think passion or dispassion has a place.  The issue needs to be discussed with a cool head using logic and facts.  I’ve been held at gunpoint, and there has been gun violence in my neighborhood.  That doesn’t mean there is a national epidemic.

      • Revanhavoc

        Don’t try to sound like you understand both sides of the issue with me man.

        I’ve seen your other replies to people who voiced frustrated opinions about the United States of America and the gun debate- you replied to them with personal insults. If someone expressed a sentiment you didn’t like, such as comparisons to Japan, or statistics about school shootings, you brush it off as if you were conversing with children. I refuse to debate with someone who responds in such a manner.

        If anything, you are a clear example of exactly the type of over-zealous, over-protective bully, who completly ignores successful initiatives undertaken by countries all over the globe to reduce gun violence.

  • Jado Cast

    If anyone here reading this article thinks either party are supporters of the video game industry as a party, then you are solely mistaken.  Probably one of the few issues that both party agrees on is that violent video games should be censored to some degree.  Only 1A watch dog groups, public opinion that supports 1A rights, and the ACLU stand in there way to prevent it.  The only established party that has on record stated that violent video games should not be censored in any way is the Libertarian Party who are strict constituionalists.

    • Dench

      Libertarian all the way.

      I would never support a candidate who supports censorship. Both the (D) and the (R) parties support it openly right now. An easy example is you cant have profanity on the radio because it “could offend someone” or “it’s for the children.” 

      In the past 12 years we have seen both parties destroy the 1st, 4th and 5th amendments. Now it looks like 2A is on the radar.

      When are people going to see the more power you give the government and the more regulation and law you pass, the less free you are?

  • Bob

    video games aint problem. think in the 1400 s it was called mideval times. they murder people for stealing in front of the towns folk. plus they did not have movies, video games and music. not long after they started burning people for witchcraft. in jesus’s time people got stoned to death no movies or video games. there will always be evil no matter how hard you try. stop trying to blame other people cause you have no control of guns stop selling them on stuff like craiglist and out of peoples homes, no background checks that way. unemployment rate would go up if you banned, people that make these have no other skills.

  • Len Hobbel

    Pelosi needs to be BANNED I mean I have never seen anything as nasty as ugly and with the look of death she has.  if we had mobs like her in any game  the game would always win….
    a level 1 Pelosi could kill level 50s with ease……She needs to just do what she does best….sit still shut up and look good at being stupid as a dried out horse dick

  • Kay Smith

    Video games don’t cause violence. Violent people do play violent video games but they were already fucked up before they bought their Xbox. Holy shit this debate is still going on? Let’s ban Bambi too since it promotes deer hunting. Let’s be serious here, Congress, and look for the actual cause of our high gun violence, okay?

  • Bob Dennerly

    I think its the news programs that causes more violence there should be a study of the violent new Mike Wallace has reported in his lifetime

    • Michael Connor

      To call out only one news caster on this is rather short sighted and ignorant. They all do it, not just this one.

      • Bob Dennerly

        it was a joke…………. just like thinking games cause violence

  • Andrew

    I feel so sorry for you guys in the US. You are going to end up with games being censored and banned in the same way you banned online poker. And it really isn’t the solution to this problem at all, as we all know.

    However, politicians know something must be done and censoring media looks like something. So they will do it.

    Meanwhile in the UK most of the population will go through their lives never so much as seeing a gun except on TV or in movies. Even the police don’t have them.

    And thats why the diamond next to our name in the graph above is right at the bottom.

    • Dench

      Online gambling was banned because our government cant efficiently tax and regulate it. When they cant make money and control it, they ban it.

      America has a gang problem. That is without a doubt. I would like to see the administration attempt to curb urban violence which is an ongoing epidemic, and not focus on pieces of plastic and metal (magazines) or pistol grips on a rifle.

      Generally speaking, suburban America is safe and predictably so. On the same coin, we have a lot of large cities that have had massive crime problems for decades. The draconian gun laws of Chicago and Washington DC have not been good examples that more law equals less crime.

      I would not say America has a mass shooting problem, because statistically its not a significant bleep on the radar in terms of numbers. Emotionally it is the atomic bomb of issues but when you look at the numbers, its a rarity. 

      Like people have said here in past comments, law should not be based off emotion. Law needs to be based of facts, studies and current law that is already on the books.

      Going back to a post I made earlier, if Americans want to ban guns, they need to work for a constructional amendment. 2A clearly says “shall not be infringed  which leaves little room for interpretation with such black and white language. Several of our Supreme Court cases have already said that you can not ban common use firearms (Miller and Heller). 

      That’s the law. 

      As a UK resident  I wouldn’t expect you to know those cases or the often hidden details of the 2A. But I am continuously amazed when I see US Citizens who want to make law that specifically goes against our constitution and supreme court rulings. The UK has a violent crime problem on its own, its no gem in the rough. Since I am not a citizen of your country, I am not going to tell you how to fix your issues or pretend to care, either. 

      Please don’t feel bad for me. America, like any other country is not perfect. I want to be free. Not regulated. Not censored and not disarmed. I would rather live in danger, than live at home wrapped in my warm .gov sponsored blanket of safety.  

      One last thing, violent crime in America is on the decline. The media doesn’t want to say that, because it doesn’t get ratings, but it is true.

    • Suicideking666

       I love when people bring up the UK in these sort of issues.  Sure the UK as lower gun crime but it has some of the highest rates of stabbing and beatings.  Taking the guns away only makes the crimes more brutal.  And I hate to say it but England has been going crazy in the last few years over these sort of crimes, its so bad that in London, not sure if it was country wide, they banned pointed knifes.  And guess what?  People still get stabbed.  Violence happens everywhere, it takes on different forms but its always there.

  • Demi_God

    No one drowns in a desert. 

  • Greg Mason

    You can’t ban free speach(games) or our right to defend ourselves(guns) Nancy.

    She could care less about gamers, she only wants to blame/ban guns.  It’s a means to an end, she wants to Americans to only think about guns being the problem.  Her only answer to solve these problems is gun control…except violent crime increases when guns are banned, quickly making people unable to defend themselves when their lives are threatened. 

    People killed with guns per year ~10,000.
    —>People who use guns to protect themselves per year ~800,000-2,500,000. 

    Should we have guns to protect us from murderers regardless of video game influence or not?  I say yes.

  • Nate Glass

    Hmm, I wan’t to say that graph doesn’t lie. Either does the rest of the evidence. When the Constitution was drawn up, the world was a different place and the weapons were swords and flintlock pistols. Things have changed, the forefathers would likely agree were they to see what’s been happening. 

    • Dench

      The Supreme Court of the United States disagrees with you.