Did BioWare Falsely Advertise Mass Effect 3?

Written by: (@Shaddoe) | April 11, 2012 5:53 pm

64 Comments

I know you’re upset about the end of Mass Effect 3.

Admittedly, most people were not satisfied with some of the aspects of how single-player game ended — the story, the choices, or in my case, the lack of an end boss (Marauder Shields not withstanding).

But did BioWare deliver on its advertised promises?

Director of Communications Marjorie Stephens from the Northern Indiana office of the Better Business Bureau believes BioWare did not.

The claim boils down to semantics, as it often does with advertising issues. Stephens writes in a blog on the BBB’s website that statements like the one found at the top of the Mass Effect 3 story page, “Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience and outcome,” are false because of the use of the word “completely.”

The statement, as she claims, is absolute: either the outcome is changed or it’s not. Mass Effect 3 players that are in protest against the game would contest that there are only 3 different outcomes with very little significant change between any of them — far from a “complete” change as the advertising statement denotes.

Of course, proponents of the game can testify that there are actually 17 different endings to the game depending on a multitude of choices, but the only thing “completely shaped” by those choices is the player’s perception — most of whom were left with the impression of “what the @#$% just happened?”

Thankfully for BioWare, the only thing the BBB can do is file a report on the customer complaints. There are no legal ramifications, but it does leave a spot on BioWare’s record for anyone that happens to use the BBB as a source for video game reviews.

Did BioWare Falsely Advertise Mass Effect 3?

  • http://www.facebook.com/rammur65 Roger Means

    Damn think ima go back and complain about some books ive read now new trend ima just complain because movies and books dont end the way i want hoozah (i hate people who complain about some of the dumbest stuff.

    • Arthur Banks

      2 complaints I’m waiting to hear…
      A) Star Wars Prequels
      B) Wheel of Time last two book

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/7XSXJCSSBCCFQ6DZYE7ZYPP6SY Summoner

      There’s a difference between books, movies and choice-driven,
      interactive games. How they tell their story, pacing, and with or
      without input from the audience.

      The Mass Effect series was made with input from the audience between the
      games, and was a choice-driven, interactive game. They threw everything
      out the window in the last ten minutes with some random magic starkid
      telling the hero to choose what color cupcake s/he wanted, but it didn’t
      matter since it was the same cupcake that was going to blow up in
      the hero’s face.

      Anyway, it’s not like it’s new for authors to change their stories
      because of audience’s reaction to it. It’s also not new that authors
      refused to change. And it’s also not new for the people to stop buying
      from them for it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001656605041 Glenn Ambler

    The issue is, and always is that we wanted choice. It was fine having the ending we got as a “choice” and we should have been able to effect the ending with whatever choices we made in the game.

    People were promised that what we decided to do throughout all three games would have a big impact on the outcome of the story and it didn’t in any real way. I have no issue with unhappy endings but in a game that is meant to be all about your decisions having consequences, having none of them have any real relevance at all at the end was just a slap in the face to a lot of people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jrog9190 Jerry Rogers

    Disclaimer: This comment may contain spoilers, but it’s for a video that contains spoilers so I think that’s fine.

    The basic problem with the endings is that the choices you made in the game essentially do not show that they matter in the ending.  All that matters is how many war assets you collected so that you can unlock the full 3/3 endings instead of one or two of the three, and how much reputation you earned so you can open up new dialogue for the illusive man conversation. 

    As for the endings, they’re all basically the same.  The many different ending numbers they give are very minor differences in the ending, which again, depends on how many war assets you have collected.  Some differences are the reapers even falling over since you destroyed them, the reapers flying away because you controlled or synthesized, whether the blast from destroy incinerates the earth and kills everyone, whether it doesn’t kill everyone, which color the explosions are, and which crew members get off the Normandy (if any).

    Did I see any the people or civilizations I saved fight the reapers at all?  No.  The only time they ever showed them was in the cinematic when the fleet arrived, but they had no bearing on the ending.  The only thing that affected the ending was a number I built up from making those choices or promoting from multiplayer.

    As for the false advertising… well… they could pull a bunch of technicalities on that one.  Did your decisions culminate into the ending?  Like I said, only the number, but technically those numbers did add up or subtract from the choices you made.  Did you take back earth?  Technically we did, but either everyone is dead or some people live.  However, in any ending, the reapers die on or leave earth which means that the earth itself is no longer under attack.  

    However this will get into the whole thing about the mass relays being destroyed and that whole fleet you brought being stranded on a completely decimated earth perhaps all starving later.  That’s just a closure thing. 

    So basically, the ending was a let down because players got basic choices and also that players expect to see their choices of who lived or died throughout the game show in the ending instead of a number that invisibly sits in the background for very minor differences.

  • Kodachikuno

    Damn! Citizen Kain ref! You guys made my day!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=725452921 Gino Cabiati

    Tons of contradictions, and unanswered questions, which is exactly what they advertised they would not do.
    You do NOT have a plot goal for 2.9 games as well as a villan to introduce a new goal and new villan on the last 3 minutes of game play.
    Contradiction like the destructions of the mass relays leave a lot of questions unanswered, did the victory fleet stay orbiting earth to starve? why didnt the mass relays destroy earth.
    Why was the advertising “take back earth”, we didnt, there is nothing on earth after the mass relay explosions, was it destroyed? if not, earth was taken back? really? we took back rubble left by all the destruction, we did not save it, What about all the war assets we gathered, there is nothing about them in the ending, so there, tons of questions. Feels like an entirely different writing team wrote the ending.

  • http://twitter.com/j0nnara Jonnara

    This is not about getting a happy ending.

    the ending doesn’t makes sense.

    1/ WTF is the Normandy in a relay jump when its engaged in the ripper battle for earth?
    2/ Mass Relays destruction has an effect same as a super nova (drummed into us from “the arrival DLC”) So every star system that has relays are now gone? So what was the point of trying to save earth when your just going to blow it up at the end?
    3/ WTF are my companions that was with me running to the Light beam in London doing back on the Normandy with joker? 
      

  • http://snortsch.myopenid.com/ Snortsch

    The problem the fans (me included) are having has absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with Sheppard dieing in the end. I kind of expected it actually. It was the completely idiotic argumentation of the godchild (the (sythetic)children always rebel against their (flesh and blood)parents, thats why I created synthetic children to kill them, so they won’t get killed by the synthetic children they created themselfes). The three endings and only three endings (you only can add a little bells and wistles but can’t change anything important about them) are the same, no matter what choices you did in the whole three games! Thats what is so dissappointing.
    Sheppard dies…boo ho, we all have problems. Sheppard doesn’t challange the starchild..inacceptable!

  • http://snortsch.myopenid.com/ Snortsch

    Wait, you got it wrong, it’s called the Better Game Breaking Bureau of Investigations! ^^
    They will also find out what happened to poor Gary!

  • http://snortsch.myopenid.com/ Snortsch

    After so many wonderfull hours (I played the last 6 hours straight because I so wanted to see the ending) it was just the biggest letdown in the whole series. It felt like all the brilliant people were already out for lunch, so the B-Team had to take over and this last 10 minutes just ruining everything was not only frustrating but also puzzeling. How could this happen! Was nobody there to stop it? Did nobody see that the argumentation of the starchild was so utter nonsense! Synthetics do not play well with others! But the Geth just joined my alliance! They are actually really nice..ehm..things.
    Since children always rebel against their parent…I decided to create the reapers as my children..because I’m the brilliant starchild and never listen to the crap I’m saying !?!?!

  • http://www.facebook.com/O4OUR Daniel Hurstfield

    All this talk of “I’m not happy with the way this story was written” reminds me of the book/movie “Misery” When you read/watch Misery point out who the protagonist is.

    • http://quintlyn.com/ QuintLyn Bowers

      Haha.. That’s what I think EVERY time this topic comes up.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-McCarthy/510816820 Joseph McCarthy

    Woah 17 endings?  Or do they count a maximum of 2 different characters walking out of a ship waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay different?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Boiwka/1167985586 Mike Boiwka

      This.  I kinda feel like Larry and Mike played a different game.  17 different endings?  It was one ending with 17 minor variations, as far as I saw.  It’s like if I opened a restaurant that boasted about having 17 different items on the menu which read: 1) hotdog 2) hotdog with ketchup 3) hotdog with mustard 4) hotdog with ketchup *and* mustard, etc.  It’s disingenuous at best to brag about what great variety you have when the variety is painfully superficial.

      • David Alcon

        You are correct. I have to disagree completely with Larry and Mike on the subject of 17 endings. There is not. They also did not touch on the things we were promised in months and weeks before release, which is what the BBB dispute was about.
        I’ve played through ME3 with my favorite three characters (1 pure Renegade, 1 pure Paragon, and 1 “Natural”) and all ended up at the same place with their decisions.
        Will the BBB complaint do anything? No, not on the surface. Its merely a blackeye that will hopefully remind Bioware and their EA Overlords that RPG fans are not willing to let things slide like their Sports/Shooter cousins do.

      • Bakgrind

        I see where you guys are coming from and for me I get a different perspective on it. If this game is supposed to have 16 endings, but in fact only has 3. Personally I feel that the game did not have an ending. For if it did we wouldn’t be here talking about the ending along with the plot holes and all the other things that players are complaining about ( rightly so I might add ) Then Bioware wouldn’t have to release an “Editors Cut” of the game just to explain it to all of us.

      • Tomasz Guzik

         It is considered that for instance the choice Save Geth/Save Quarians/Both are all different factors for the ending because they change which race stays alive in the end so many ppl count that in as different endings. Many say it doesn’t count since we aren’t shown that in the ending cinematic per se.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kyle-Eggers/100000868131517 Kyle Eggers

    The  Better Business Bureau is a joke that has no real power, and if you don’t like the ending to bad.  Enjoy the game and go find a new one. And this isn’t a good enough game to be put in the same class as movies like Citizen Kane, and don’t say that it is.

  • Derek_Sye

    All this controversy had shown me is that the majority of video game players are morons.

  • http://twitter.com/Critzkreig Cody Moody

    Trolls rejoice! For the rest of us, not a a single fuck was given.

  • BabyChooChoo

    Video games. It’s serious business.

  • Sharuko

    BBB is a joke.  And this ME3 thing is getting old.  ME3 is awesome and epic till the last 5 minutes.  I really hope BioWare doesn’t think all of the ME fans are this idiotic.

  • ChristopherRuscoe

    right now i have a 1700 EMS (or what ever its called) from
    the Multiplayer at some point before the Multiplayer dies off i will most
    likely get close to 4 or 5 thousand and that means i wont have to do any of the
    things in the game to get the best ending.

     

    i have never posted in any of the topics that demand that
    biowear or EA change the ending but i wish they would as it feels like nothing
    i do in the game matters, i saved both the quarians and the geth is that in the
    story later what about the Krogan or the rachni non of this “”seams”"
    to matter at the end of the day as long as you have big EMS numbers.

     

    as for False Advertise some of the topics ive read sound like
    they have a good case for it but don’t think anyone will do it
     

    CWR

  • mjjdj88

    first off they claimed 16 endings, not 17, get your facts right rofl. 2nd off we only got 3 endings. Another point is no not every game series needs multiple endings. In Mass Effect’s previous games however our choices changed the endings and their were multiple endings based on our decisions. For them to flip the script in the last game is disgusting. Games like Halo obviously don’t need multiple endings. Mass Effect does. I personally think you dont deserve this job b’c you did a horrible interview. gratz fail!

  • http://www.facebook.com/Hattoff Matt Hatton

    Anyone who calls themselves a gamer, and whom puts so much time into a game should respect the way the developer chooses to end it. Think of how beautifully poetic this is… for the last two games and the majority of the third game, you LOSE the if Shepard dies… but in order to win the game in the end… you must to die.

    That is awesome! I can’t tell you how many films I have seen or books I have read where the main character dies, and I feel bad. I have been following a story, fell in love with a character, ached and struggled for hope that they would pull through, and when they don’t you have an emotional tie with them that will last FAR longer that if they pulled something out of their ass and saved the day so everyone could live happily ever after. Emotion is what stains your memories the most, and if BioWare needs to draw emotion from their fans by killing their hero to engrave a memory of three epic games into their minds, then they have successfully done it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ronny-Sunrock/100002737688676 Ronny Sunrock

    I have not played mass effect 3 yet. Lost moy savings for 1-2 and been buissy with SWTOR. But I will one day. However all this QQ I hear about the ending reminds me of the QQ over Dragon Age 2. In my mind Dragon Age 2 was really good story telling and I liked it allot better then the Origin. So my guess here is that there is allot people here that don’t have the intelligent to understand the story they are told as from what I have heard have allot of underlaying messages, as was the case with DA2.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=518607879 Christopher Mitchell

       What all the people who ‘don’t understand’ why people are complaining and are accusing them of whining and not being able to understand the ‘developers artistic view’ fail to even understand what the QQ is about. It isn’t that he necessarily dies or the story was bad it was the total lack of control over it. ME3 main selling point was that it was an RPG. RPGs give the players choices and in previous ME games the choices the player made actually made an impact on the story. ME3 failed horribly in this respect. No matter what you did in the story you basically got the same ending with the only difference are the people that are seen on the ship get switched (wouldn’t even call that different tbh). This is why everyone is so mad. All the choices you made in the previous games and throughout this one made absolutely no difference in the outcome and that was supposedly ME main selling point and what the devs said would happen but it didn’t and that upset the majority of the fans. They simply failed to deliver what they said they would.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jimmy.nicol1 Jimmy Nicol

    My problems with the ending was that it was full of plot holes, you can’t have Shepard argue with the god child despite the fact that his completely wrong and there’s only a few variations and only in the destroy ending. While I’m fine with not having a perfect ending(Shepard lives, Earth is fine), it would have been nice to have something that I felt was actually worth going through. Instead will get no closure on hat happened and it’s heavily implied that no matter what ending you got, even the best, everyone was going to die orbiting earth because they can’t get back to the rest of the galaxy. On the other hand, it’s still pretty emotional and I do enjoy watching it, especially with the music. Hopefully the extended cut will sort out the plots holes and lack of closure. Oh and yes, most of what they claimed about the ending during development was bull, so Marjorie Stephens is correct.

  • InvaderMig

    Are Mass Effect fans such emo little cry bitches that they flip out and cry foul because there is no happy ending.  You’ve got to be kidding me.  Get over yourself.  I’m glad Shepard died.  If he had lived and saved the day that would have been extremely lame, but I guess I’m in the minority. 

    • ChristopherRuscoe

      i don’t think it has anything to do with him dieing or
      living it has more to do with what some of the people in the ME team said that
      3 would have and what the fans thinking they didn’t get, personally the ending is so
      full of plot holes it cant hold jelly let alone water, it also from my point of
      view feels like nothing we do in the game matters as long as we have a big EMS
      number at the end of it and as said you can get that in MP alone.

       

       

      CWR

  • ChristopherRuscoe

    i have just been thinking and people haven’t realised that
    ME3 dose have a last boss fight, the last boss fight is VS Biowear and to date
    no one has beaten that last boss :P

     

     

    CWR

  • Krister Holmberg

    Why is every new video completely out of sync with the audio ?

    • ChristopherMitchell1

       It’s not like that for me, something must be wrong on your end >.>

  • Senatic

    Sorry guys, you’re both way off base here on what fans are actually complaining about.

    Fans are complaining because of a few things, I’ll break it down for you  - cus I’m a nice person and all and sadly you didn’t do your homework on this.

    1. Fans want an ending that makes sense and doesn’t have plot holes, an ending that doesn’t contradict established lore and convention throughout earlier installments of the series.

    2. Fans want multiple endings, not slight variations on the same ending. There aren’t 16 endings, there is one ending with 3 different colors. See Dragon Age: Origins for an example of this done right by Bioware themselves. Lazy reuse of cutscenes colored in different ways does not make 16 different endings.3. Fans want an ending that doesn’t use a incredibly contrived and arbitrary plot device that in itself contradicts it’s own reason for being and is literally introduced in the last minutes of the game. This “god child” as it has come to be called was a cheap ass lazy way to end a story, it had nothing to do with artistic integrity, Shepard could have had to sacrifice himself for thousands of reasons that made more sense. Not only that but the mere presence of this being created plot holes spanning back to the first game. 4. Fans want an ending where Shepard doesn’t suddenly have a mental breakdown and forget who he was and what he stood for over the past 3 games. They want a cannon, and there is none right now. 

    • Derek_Sye

       Since you like bullet points so much I will give you another.

      7. You are an idiot. Half your “points” are hyperbole and the rest are matters of taste. Grow up and stop crying about a video game.

      • Senatic

        I love how you insult me in the first sentence, and tell me to grow up in the next one. All the time pretending like you can tell me what I can and can’t care about or what I should or shouldn’t get upset about. 

        Gotta love the hypocrisy.

        Come back when you wanna have a real discussion and I’ll gladly talk to you, but if you’re gonna insult me and then call ME childish when you can’t even engage in civil conversation then I got nothing further to add other then keep it up. You’re doing a great job portraying yourself and everyone for the ending in a negative light.

        • Derek_Sye

          To be clear, I never claimed to be mature. I simply told you to grow up. So technically that isn’t hypocrisy. 

          Regarding having a real discussion with you, i’m not interested. I’ve already stated that I believe you to be an idiot. Why would I want to have a real discussion with you? I’ve had this whole discussion with a few people whose intellect I actually respect and truthfully I don’t have the energy to rehash it with a simpleton. 

          I recognize that even posting here is childish. However, it allowed me to express my frustration at the idiot masses. Obviously this is misdirected at you as an individual, but your post was particularly egregious. It is a victimless crime anyhow, since this will give you an opportunity to reply with righteous indignation. Which I am certain will only fuel your ego. 

          • Senatic

            As I am sure the usage of fancy vocabulary fuels yours.

            But lets play that game shall we.

            You start out by trying to invalidate my argument by abstractly and arbitrarily attacking the validity by claiming hyperbole. You fail to point out any error in reasoning or in the logical structure behind said reasoning and do not bother to point out any specific instances of hyperbole or error in reasoning. Instead you generalize and try to pass off your subjective opinion about my statement without the willingness to go into any detail or provide any reasoning of your own.

            Afterwards you expect me, or anyone else for that matter, to take your opinion seriously – because it is just that, an opinion. Your prejudice for the argument obviously prevented you from examining anything I said with any modicum of objectivity and you lashed out. Now you’re trying to save face by using cool words as if you actually know what half of them really mean.

            Just another kid on the internet I suppose. I’ll just say it again, come back when you have an argument that actually matters. Until then please, stop lowering the intelligence level of the posts here, it is already mind boggling low.

            “Simpleton” made me laugh so loud, if you only knew.

          • Derek_Sye

            That was some excellent righteous indignation. Don’t you feel better having put me in my place? 

            See everybody wins. I still know you are an idiot from reading your original post, and you get to feel superior to me by imagining i’m just some dumb “kid on the internet.” Of course, you are on the completely wrong track. I have plenty of character flaws, but you just haven’t isolated any of them yet.

            I do have to thank you for calling my my usage of vocabulary “fancy.” That actually caused me to chuckle. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that you found my usage of basic words to be a stretch, but it was funny nonetheless.

            I found it far less amusing for you to claim I failed to counter the logic in your original points. Obviously this is impossible, when you made no actual points, but I suppose I have to explain this as well.

            1. You want an ending that “makes sense.” Become intelligent enough to understand the one your were given.

            2. Even if the game had only one ending, this argument would still fail. If you want to argue that the game lacks replaybability, then fine. However, claiming that you dislike the game because it lacked “multiple endings” is obviously a non sequitur. 

            3. No matter how many negative adjectives you use to describe the ending (contrived, arbitrary, cheap, lazy), this is still nothing more than opinion. I desperately hope you have the intelligence to understand that opinion is not a logical construct.

            4. You asked for more endings, now you want canon.. You are contradicting yourself within your own post. Also a “cannon” is a large piece of artillery. You meant canon.

            5. I’m sorry your mother didn’t love you enough so you need a happy ending from your video games. However, this of course is  a matter of taste. Again you have failed to make anything remotely close to a real argument.

            6. They did give you an ending. You seem to think that it isn’t an ending unless every possible narrative thread is permanently closed. I would think that it was obvious that the only way to accomplish that would be to kill everything in the universe, but i’m less and less surprised that obvious truths evade you.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=518607879 Christopher Mitchell

             Sorry to inform you but as a neutral party in this discussion since I have never played any ME game I have to say you lose. He posted valid points in his main post albeit slightly snotty. Your reply was a personal attack and did nothing to refute the points he brought up. You may have scored better if you had posted this last comment first but even then your ‘points’ are just contrived and fully ignorant. Allow me to explain:

            “1. You want an ending that “makes sense.” Become intelligent enough to understand the one your were given.”

             ~I watched the final scene of ME3 and no I didn’t play the game but I do know about the story. That ending indeed ‘may’ have been purposefully been made to be a mind stretch but even so it was just a bad ending. I would have been a little peeved as well if I had spent so much time and money on this game to receive that ending.

            “2. Even if the game had only one ending, this argument would still fail.
            If you want to argue that the game lacks replaybability, then fine.
            However, claiming that you dislike the game because it lacked “multiple
            endings” is obviously a non sequitur. ”

            ~The main poster wasn’t bitching about just the fact that there was only one ending which that in itself is still a valid point to bitch on. He was saying that the developers had told the fanbase that there would be multiple endings before the game was released and there wasn’t. They lied about a very important detail in their game, end of story.

            “3. No matter how many negative adjectives you use to describe the ending
            (contrived, arbitrary, cheap, lazy), this is still nothing more than
            opinion. I desperately hope you have the intelligence to understand that
            opinion is not a logical construct.”

            ~Actually, when it comes to game reviewing there is a set standard to story telling. Yes, most descriptions are opinion because there will always be someone who likes a story even if its just the person who wrote it. But there is an industry standard on what is good and what is bad. The main part where opinion plays apart is when we evaluate which games fall into where.

            “4. You asked for more endings, now you want canon.. You are
            contradicting yourself within your own post. Also a “cannon” is a large
            piece of artillery. You meant canon.”

            ~Now you are just trolling because it is fully possible to have multiple endings that still fit in the story. Expecially in this game because the story is (supposedly) based on the players choice. Having different endings based on the players choices throughout the game would create multiple endings and they would all be considered ‘canon.’ (Also pointing out someone misspelling a word just shows that you know nothing of phonetic transcriptions and does nothing to make your point more valid)

            “5. I’m sorry your mother didn’t love you enough so you need a happy
            ending from your video games. However, this of course is  a matter of
            taste. Again you have failed to make anything remotely close to a real
            argument.”

            ~In this point he was stating an example of an ending he would have liked to see but wasn’t necessarily a happy ending. Your attention to detail is lacking and it shows. Again, this just goes back to multiple endings being promised and not delivered.

            “6. They did give you an ending. You seem to think that it isn’t an
            ending unless every possible narrative thread is permanently closed. I
            would think that it was obvious that the only way to accomplish that
            would be to kill everything in the universe, but i’m less and less
            surprised that obvious truths evade you.”

            ~Considering the ME story line, this could have actually been an acceptable ending…

          • Derek_Sye

            “Sorry to inform you but as a neutral party in this discussion since I have
            never played any ME game I have to say you lose.”

            I suppose I’ll just have to go cry myself to sleep. Wait no… instead I’ll
            just add fuel to the fire. Since you dislike me pointing out spelling errors,
            you will probably really hate that I am going to point out your misuse of
            words. You call me “fully ignorant,” but ironically it is you who are ignorant.
            You admit that you have never played the games. Thus you are ignorant in regards
            to much of the content of this discussion. Additionally, you are ignorant to
            the definition of the word ignorant. HINT: Ignorant is not a synonym for rude.

            “1.  That ending indeed ‘may’ have been purposefully been made to
            be a mind stretch but even so it was just a bad ending.”

            Thank god you came along. How would we have ever lived without such sterling
            insight as “it was just a bad ending.” I’m not surprised that you think the OP
            had “valid points” when this is your own argument.

            “2. ~The main poster wasn’t bitching about just the fact that there was
            only one ending”

            Go read the OP again. If you honestly believe this is an accurate statement
            there is nothing further I can say to you.

            “3. There is an industry standard on what is good and what is bad. The
            main part where opinion plays apart is when we evaluate which games fall into
            where.”

            Let me get this straight… Your argument is that games reviews are objective
            and you reached this conclusion based on the fact that there are industry
            standards, industry standards which are based upon the collective opinions of
            those people in the industry. So essentially you are saying that if enough
            people adhere to an opinion it becomes truth. That is an interesting way of
            thinking. It is also completely wrong, but it is certainly interesting.

            “4. ~Now you are just trolling because it is fully possible to have
            multiple endings that still fit in the story.”

            I have been trolling this whole time, but that doesn’t make me any less
            right. Also, I never said that multiple endings wouldn’t fit the story. All I
            said was that the OP was contradicting himself. He claimed to want multiple
            ending then claimed that the endings he received were insufficient and instead
            he wanted a canonical ending. If I have to explain how wanting multiple endings
            and wanting one canonical ending is logically inconsistent then we are in real
            trouble.

            “5 ~In this point he was stating an example of an ending he would have
            liked to see but wasn’t necessarily a happy ending.”

            Yep and I basically called him a whiner for crying about not having a “winning”
            ending.

            “Your attention to detail is lacking and it shows. Again, this just goes
            back to multiple endings being promised and not delivered.”

            I don’t remember Casey Hudson making a promise that you would “win the war.”
            Maybe it is my lack of attention to detail… or maybe you have failed to follow
            the discussion we are having and have begun conflating ideas. Try reading
            slower if you are having trouble keeping up.

            “6. ~Considering the ME story line, this could have actually been an
            acceptable ending..”

            You really think Bioware would choose to destroy a billion dollar piece of intellectual
            property for an “acceptable ending.”

            P.S. Why lie about having played the games? You out yourself on multiple
            occasions in your post.

          • ChristopherMitchell1

             lol I win :D

          • Derek_Sye

            How do you reach this conclusion?

          • ChristopherMitchell1

             It’s just my opinion and like how everyone else thinks (including you) my opinion is better than everyone else which makes me right… sooo I win :D

          • Derek_Sye

            I guess i’ll just interpret this as you giving up. That is probably a good idea for someone like you. 

          • ChristopherMitchell1

            Actually, this is me not giving a **** :D

          • Derek_Sye

            Tell yourself whatever you have to. I would probably pretend not to care if I was losing so badly too.

          • ChristopherMitchell1

            lol you need a hard dose of reality, but find it somewhere else. I don’t want to see what you’d become.

          • Derek_Sye

            If you are too stupid to come up with a response to my post, just say so. There is no shame in being dumb. Its your parents’ fault anyways.

  • Cyclops07

    The only thing I know is this…I’m glad I didn’t buy it. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7UCDEUKEHKZZCEGBRAQAKTOFOY The Undeniable Truth

    All I can say is, it’s about time somebody went after video game publishers for falsely advertising games. Only took 40 years.

  • http://twitter.com/Livein82 Michał Jaworski

    Screwing with loyal fanbase is step forward in genre? Larry whatever you’ve been smoking, please stop. Also Shaff, have you at least seen the ending? Cause you see, Mike B. and Lore sorta agree with fans, that ending is shitworthy.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kenny-Barras/729823782 Kenny Barras

      Amen.  We’re not mad because Shep dies.  We don’t want a happy ending.  We’re mad that the ending takes a turn into Crazy-ville, leaving tremendous plotholes and inserting deus ex machina instead of letting us experience an ending that is the culmination of all your choices.  In reality, the ending is the same, just tinted different colors.   

      Control Ending: Control the Reapers, Earth survives, relays explode, Joker flees blue space magic, crew crash-lands on strange world. 

      Synthesis Ending: Reapers retreat, Earth survives, relays explode, Joker flees green space magic, crew crash-lands on strange world. 

      Destruction Ending: Destroy the Reapers, relays explode, Earth survives (if over 5000 EMS, Earth destroyed if less), Joker flees red space magic, crew crash-lands on strange world. 

      17 possible outcomes?  Really?  In every single ending, this is what happens.  Reapers either flee or are destroyed, relays explode, Joker flees space magic, crew crash-lands.  There is NO variation, unless you count what color energy washes over the Earth.  Really, Larry?  Really?

      Oh, and here’s your “different endings” Larry.  Enjoy watching them all at once.  Tell me, how do they differ?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPelM2hwhJA

  • Chaz Davis

    Hey Schaffnit, I guess complaining about the lack of stupid features in swtor is a-ok, but asking a decent ending for Mass Effect is way out of line, yeah right.

  • Krzysztof Kotarba

    happy endings SUCKS

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Marian-Heipl/100001150601533 Paul Marian Heipl

    Guys, guys … you are being Fox News … you need to play all games and get invested to understand the thing most ME3 players are feeling. I like the fact that you are stating your personal UNINFORMED opinion. You are just missing the point. It has nothing to do with the “sad” ending or anything you mentioned.

  • http://twitter.com/WadeDMcGinnis Wade D McGinnis

    I think going after a company for a lack or a belief the game did not live up to the expectations they were thinking is the worse possible path to follow. If we keep this up, developers will stop doing trilogy based games because of the stigma this kind of view will cause. We did not see people clamor to the Better Business Bureau for the Star Wars movies or the end of Halo.

    Bioware did make a mistake with not allowing more choice but Bioware has the opportunity to show growth and progression with their games in the future. Will have to see what they plan on doing but personally I do not think Bioware should change the ending only add clarity to what happen. Own up to a mistake so you can learn.

    • Senatic

      Love how you sugarcoated and downplayed outright lying to fans in interviews as “not living up to expectations.”

      No offense, but that’s the kind of comments that let companies get away with whatever they want.

  • Brandon Marshall

    lol, should’ve had mike b do this one, shaffnit doesn’t know what hes talkin about

  • Leon Andrews

    There’s not 17 endings no matter how bioware tries to spin it. There’s
    only 4 red blue green and red with a chest breath shot. Sheesh. The BBB
    is right on this one. And what the customers can do is remember this when considering future purchases.

  • skandral

    I’m ok dying at the end, one of my favorite books has the main character dying to save his people. The problem is the ending was horrible. None of them fit the paragon path. You either A) Kill the all synthetics, including Geth. B) Become the Illusive man and control the Reapers or C) Screw everybody and make them all bastard children of organic and synthetic.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rammur65 Roger Means

    this crap is getting out of hand if you dont like a damn game play something else lol

  • Josh Vieira

    No one complains about a game like Final Fantasy which always has just one ending and a mostly linear storyline, so no one should worry about this creating a precedent for entitled gamers.  The problem with Mass Effect is they’ve been saying since day 1 that your decisions were going to have huge outcomes on the ENDING.  And that you would want to replay ME1 and 2 for different endings – and there are more quotes than the one mentioned in the video. 

    Mass Effect 3 just felt like a cheap and lazy finale on the masterpieces that were ME1 and 2.  If they’re considering the whole game as an ending to the series (therefore giving us the 16 different endings) even these were lacking.  There was virtually no difference if you saved/killed rachni, saved/killed council, recommended Anderson/Udina, saved/blew up collector base, re-wrote/destroyed geth heretics.  Most characters you worked so hard to save from ME2 hardly did anything.  And there were a lot of setups for stuff in ME3 that were never realized (ie. take back Omega, the sun on Haestrom, stories in Cerberus News Network etc.).  We can only assume that these are reserved for DLC which will cost an arm and a leg – if realized at all.

    For those who say, “Ya but that costs money and time and resources, etc. etc. etc.” they should have thought about that before they bit off more than they could chew.  And if the issues were time/money/resources they shouldn’t have put all kinds of work into a multiplayer add on that wasn’t necessary and pissed everyone off who plays Mass Effect for the story (basically, 90% of Bioware’s fans).  But resources weren’t likely the problem – tons of material was recycled from earlier installments (textures, guns, armour, objects, characters, backstory, codex, galaxy map, etc.) and it wasn’t in development as long as ME1 or 2.  Not to mention this game would sell more than ME1 or 2 given the fact it’s now available for PS3 and already has a loyal fan base.

    FANS know this isn’t just “entitled gamers.”  They know Bioware HAS done better and COULD have easily done a lot better.  Something’s seriously fishy here and the fact that Bioware’s now owned by EA doesn’t help.

    Other evidence that quality control on the Mass Effect series is lacking in latter days: the latest novel in the series: Deception.  There were so many lore contradictions Mass Effect Wiki sent in a complaint saying they didn’t know how to update their databases.  Bioware even said they’d revise the book.

    It’s not that Mass Effect 3 was total crap either, it’s just when you set the bar so high, you’re going to take more criticism.

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