Tomb Raider Producer Claims Game Will Have Attempted Rape Scene

Written by: (@austinreg) | June 14, 2012 6:26 pm

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It’s a fact that Crystal Dynamics has taken a drastically different approach with the Tomb Raider reboot. What seems to be up for debate is whether or not the upcoming action game contains a scene depicting attempted rape.

Kotaku reported on Monday that Tomb Raider producer Ron Rosenberg made a comment during E3 that Lara Croft will be in danger of being raped in a specific scene in the game.

Predictably, the internet didn’t take too kindly to this information.

In what is maybe an attempt to backtrack, Crystal Dynamics studio head Darrell Gallagher released a statement on the game’s website Wednesday where he claims “Sexual assault of any kind is categorically not a theme that we cover in this game.”

As a response, Kotaku posted a direct transcript of part of the conversation that occurred between the Kotaku writer and Rosenberg:

RON: And then what happens is her best friend gets kidnapped, she gets taken prisoner by scavengers on the island. They try to rape her, and-

KOTAKU: They try to rape her?

RON: She’s literally turned into a cornered animal. And that’s a huge step in her evolution: she’s either forced to fight back or die and that’s what we’re showing today.

Perhaps Rosenberg was misinformed. Maybe Crystal Dynamics just doesn’t want negative publicity so far prior to Tomb Raider‘s release.

If Tomb Raider does have an attempted rape scene, will that turn you off of the game completely? Is anyone else shocked that they’ve taken the rebooted Lara Croft to these extreme levels?

Be sure to let us know in the comments below.

Tomb Raider Producer Claims Game Will Have Attempted Rape Scene

  • http://twitter.com/sirurza Matt LeClair

    She gets taken prisoner, one guy tries to fondle her, and she kicks his butt. Let’s move on here. There are far worse things done to females in Grand Theft Auto and Saints Row.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Avialence Nicholas ‘Avi’ Bashore

    As a Journalist too, I completely disagree with this giant uproar.

    Rape is very serious, and not something I feel should be supported IN ANY WAY.

    But with that said, this is set as a prequel. This is the STORY of how Lara Croft became what she is. It is meant to be rough and brutal, and since she is a female lead, this was perhaps one of the darker ways to explore that transformation.

    I also wanted to note; Yes. Tomb Raider is very close to many of us, but look at the previous games, movies, comics, etc. There has been darkness, and has been A LOT of emphasis on Lara being a sexual female icon so to speak. In one of the games….you literally fought against trophies to unlock skimpy swimsuits for her to wear around the mansion.

    I personally think this is being extremely blown out of the water, and shouldn’t be seen as such a big deal. Especially since the writer said attempted….not ACTUAL.

    But hey, thats just me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Avialence Nicholas ‘Avi’ Bashore

     Such a good point Matt. It’s absolutely being overdone. Saints Row, Grand Theft Auto, and even more games have stuff like this in each.

    I am getting a little sick of the people who control the legal issues with games not understanding them

  • Shae Filbert

    I have very little problem with a threatened rape, but I have a huge problem with the lie:  ”Crystal Dynamics studio head Darrell Gallagher released a statement on thegame’s website Wednesday where he claims ‘Sexual assault of any kind is categorically not a theme that we cover in this game.’”    If rape is not considered sexual assault, then what is it?  

    • http://twitter.com/EvilTrollWizard Evil Troll Wizard

      I think what they mean is to say the 5 second scene is not a major topic or even minor topic of the game. 

  • http://twitter.com/DaPhoolz Rp TheFoolz

     from the trailer, I really want to see how much she toughen up during the game.
    or will she just whimper all the way to the end.

    and yeah, the attempt rape scene… it happen all the time in many films. and in this game it was more like the Fight to survive scene to me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Caswell/631559369 Jason Caswell

    Gorgeous/hot/beautiful woman kidnapped or captured by criminals that make their base in the jungles.  Did people think they would be serving her tea and crumpets?  Do people really, truly not understand how these people operate?

    PLEASE don’t take this scene or content out of the game.  This was one of the things that made me really like this Croft title because it’s such a controversial subject that everyone thinks is dangerous to touch.  It’s like killing a kid in a game.  Can’t do that!  That’s bad!  ME3′s beginning kills a kid.  I was shocked, but I cheered BioWare for having the balls to do it.

    Please don’t remove this content just because a bunch of hypocrites can’t handle it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/luispaulo.silva.58 Luis Paulo Silva

    Gary shares the same opinion that I have while I saw this on kotaku another day, the fact is, I don’t know why but we grow insensetive about other kinds of crime in videogames, it’s almost like a taboo to have anything sex related or something like that. This goes with the mentality of “It’s OK to rip off the head of my friend in Mortal Kombat, but IF YOU PUT ANYTHING SEX RELATED IN YOUR GAME YOU WILL BURN IN HELL.” I don’t know, maybe I’m the wrong person to comment in something like that.

    Again, like Gary I’m not saying that sexual assault and things like that are OK, I know what’s right and wrong and I know that what we see in videogames are not reality, this is what most people kinda of not see when they talk about this “RAPE” subject.

    And I agree, if this was a subject on, let’s say, Heavy Rain which is more adult focused thing, probably less people would freak out about this, but again, this is from Tomb Raider, and Lara is still seem as a mascot of a generation. I still think that the “rape” from Tomb Raider ins’t out of context, and I see this as a wasted opportunity to make Lara even more Badass and stronger than ever.

    PS: Just my two cents, sorry if I mispelled something, english isn’t my first language and I’m still learning.

  • itsJUSTINduh

     This isn’t really news since you see the entire scene lol.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Johnson/1353890372 Michael Johnson

    I remember Patrice O’Niel talking about “controversies” in the movie industry, and I guess the same applies to video games. 

    There are video games with much worse shit than what’s happening in this game, but not one pays attention to those games because the creators aren’t friends with the right people.

    The Witcher 2 would have LOVED the publicity the first Mass Effect got because of the sex scenes, but lo and behold, despite having MUCH more explicate sex scenes, no one cares about The Witcher because Bioware is in EAs pocket. And EA is gonna collect on that favor one day.

    If you get the fame, then you owe someone, and if you don’t pay them back when they knock, you will never achieve the level of fame you had.

    That’s why people like Bioware and Crystal Dynamics get so much attention over minor shit. Because THEY OWE SOMEONE.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/THJWE4XEXAMAPW3CUGPFYCUDHE Prime

    Change isnt always good…case in point.

  • http://www.facebook.com/amandajrush Amanda Rush

    I understand that the writers wants to show off why she is who she is, and give her this dark event which changes her; but isn’t being trapped on an island and nearly getting killed enough?  Women are brutalized all over the world every day.  Do we need to see this happening in our games?  Do we ever see men in games being sexually assaulted?   We’ve gotten to a point where gamers except this as story telling, but why is it in SO many games?

    • David Alcon

      The protagonist in Noctropolis is raped by a Demon-Possessed Nun known as Succubus. I’m not sure if I can name another title though.

      • http://www.facebook.com/BrianOrr.Author Brian Orr

        Aah, if I could find my old copy of that game and actually get it to work on my modern computer ….

        I agree this is blown out of proportion cause of the producer bringing up the R word. If it had just been tagged as assault or not described at all and just the video shown to the public, little if any uproar would have ensued.

  • http://twitter.com/ShawnaRM Shawna R. M.

    Saying the people who are disturbed by this are old, out of touch people who don’t play modern video games is incredibly demeaning, and flat out asinine.
    With that said I have to ask, why is it the norm that in order to make a woman become strong in either movies, or games, she has to be raped, or assaulted in some way.I was under the impression Laura was just a strong person, and has always been that way. Can’t we see them build on that? It’s an all to common plot device to say, because she was raped she now does ___ or ___.  Why do we need to bring Laura Croft down this road?Either one of you are looking at it from a very one sided view. Not just men are fans of Tomb Raider. I looked up to Laura Croft as a kid, and seeing this makes me sick. Rape is a very real thing for women. There’s always this voice caution in the back of your mind. It’s not just a problem with games using it as a bull plot device. Everyone takes it way to lightly in TV, and movies as well.Do we even need to get into the immersion factor of video games plus former rape victims? I’d rather not.

    • Old Ben

      >  I looked up to Laura Croft as a kid

      Apparently not enough to learn her name, though.

    • jayremy

      Well I think it is more of choice in storytelling, maybe they think it will invoke fear idk. But I mean a chick stranded with a bunch of twisted dudes I doubt they will be getting on their knees and asking… or castrating themselves.

  • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

    I think there are many different ways to build a deep, dark, passionate past without having an attempted rape involved. Obviously we see this in a lot of different multimedia venues, it is nothing new. All I can say is in my personal opinion, it shouldn’t be involved in games in general. Too many women in our society (US) face these horrors every day and it is not something the gaming community as a whole needs to glorify. Truth is tho, whatever sells right?

    • Old Ben

      But you’re fine with murder, eh? Go figure.

      • jayremy

         Yes kill a 1000 guys = perfectly okay. Rape attempt on one woman = most horrible atrocity to happen on mankind. Apparently people see killing as better than rape, its all part of a thing people have done for thousands of years… storytelling.

        Just because some people don’t like it, just as they don’t like gays or seeing nudity or whatever other “tastes” they have; it doesn’t mean they have to kick, whine and scream until they get it removed from existence because they don’t like a style of storytelling it.

        • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

          Who is kicking, whining, and screaming? You’re kidding me right? I made it quite clear that it was personal opinion it shouldn’t have a place in video games, and also started my post with the acknowledgement that this occurs in more ways than just this instance. This has nothing to do with gays, or nudity, unless you are talking about gay rape or something like that? 

          Tomb Raider was a kid’s game. The whole series has been. We aren’t talking about GTA adding more violence to their already violent game. We are talking about a platform game that was mainstream for years all the while with the TEEN esrb rating now turning into this.

          • Old Ben

            > Tomb Raider was a kid’s game.

            Big tits? Check.
            Cut-off shorts? Check.
            Guns? Check.

            Yep, it’s obvious their target market was children…

          • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

            I guess it comes down to what your personal opinions are on the matter. Obviously, these types of scenarios don’t bother you. You both sit here and attack my personal opinion with very little to gain, because no matter what your stance is mine will be that rape and other filler used in order to build a character model is not needed in order to have a successful back story for said character. All they are doing is using attempted rape as filler to build a story when it would be the very same outcome if it wasn’t there in the first place. Being captive –> breaking free —> enter game. 

            You both are cool with media using these types of horrible circumstances that people are faced with on a daily basis as tools to market and produce multimedia. I respect that and we’ll leave it at that. 

            As far as murder is involved, if you are referring to games such as GTA where you can run around and pointlessly murder everyone in the location, yes I do have a problem with that. But if you are talking about games where one must kill because you are fighting murderers and tyrants than no, because the context is changed. Call of Duty for example, do I think the murder of an opposing army should not be included? Of course I don’t, that’d be ridiculous. But if I were able to go around and slaughter civilians just for the fun of it, yea that’s too much and has no place in video games.

          • Old Ben

            > I guess it comes down to what your
            > personal opinions are on the matter.

            Which is why I asked if you were ok with games involving murder. 

            > if you are talking about games where one must kill

            I was talking about events depicted in a game trailer or cutscene (i.e., the subject of this Gamebreaker article).

            >  fighting murderers and tyrants

            So if a game opens with a cutscene where someone gets killed, and that someone isn’t “a murderer” or “a tyrant”, you would find that unacceptable?

            Note that I’m not saying you _should_ find it unacceptable; I expect you have the ability to understand the difference between reality and a story, and know that just because you see a character being killed on your screen, that doesn’t mean someone _actually_ died as a result of your actions.

            But I would also expect you to understand that Lara Croft isn’t a real person (and, even if she was, telling her story wouldn’t actually harm her). In fact, Lara is the _victim_ in this situation. It’s not like the game tells you that you must threaten to rape someone else to force him or her to give up some evidence, or anything like that.

            From my point of view, it looks like this: You have a problem with the notion that a fictitious character might threaten or attempt to rape another fictitious character. But you have no problem seeing the same fictitious characters being killed, or even killing them yourself.

            And I guess I can’t understand how being the virtual victim of attempted rape is morally or ethically worse than being the virtual perpetrator of mass murder.

            > But if I were able to go around and slaughter
            > civilians just for the fun of it, yea that’s too
            > much and has no place in video games.

            So your problem is with “being able” ? In other words, you’re not comfortable being given the freedom to decide? Or is it just with games that reward you for doing so?

          • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

            So what’s your deal Old Ben? Can you not accept my point of view? Are you really that interested in me? You are clinging onto my personal opinions like they are the law itself, written for all man and woman to follow around the world. I never tried to recruit you into thinking the same way. If you really want to debate this topic, then we’d have to break down every single scenario because quite frankly it’s all about CONTEXT. And you should know as well as I do that it would take a couple long sessions because we both know that this subject matter isn’t a first and won’t be a last. Just because I disagree with it doesn’t mean everyone should, although I would hope they did because that kind of crap shouldn’t be what entertains us. Nevertheless it is..and I know it won’t change, just so you know. I’m not blinded to* that fact. Wishful thinking is all. Anyway…

            My point in all of this dust you are stirring up is quite simply that video games shouldn’t glorify serious scenarios and chalk it up as creativity. They could easily delete that entire 3 second frame and nothing changes from the game. That’s what I’m saying. God forbid someone who actually has been raped or sexually abused goes to play tomb raider because they are a tomb raider fan and has to relive any of that crap just for the sake of introductory build up. It’s not needed in order to make a point.

          • Old Ben

            > Can you not accept my
            > point of view?

            I’m still not sure what your “point of view” is.

            It seems to me that your “point of view” is that you’re fine with seeing characters getting killed or beaten up (and even doing it yourself), but any hint of sex makes you nervous and breaks through the shell.

            > video games shouldn’t glorify
            > serious scenarios 

            I don’t see what’s being “glorified” here. Can you explain?

            > They could easily delete that
            > entire 3 second frame and
            > nothing changes from the game. 

            They could easily delete the scene where she kills a deer, too. They could easily delete the one where she drinks water. In fact, they could delete the entire trailer. I’m not sure what your point is. 

            The scene is there to tell you something about the characters, and to establish a connection between them and you. Perhaps the authors know that most viewers (like you) are completely insensitive to violence and killing, and the only way to make them fear for Lara is to try a different angle.

            And, guess what, it seems to have worked. You actually felt something. For three seconds, you actually empathized with Lara’s fear in a way that no amount of bullets, explosions or dead bodies could achieve. Welcome to the wonderful world of storytelling.

            > God forbid someone who actually
            > has been raped or sexually abused
            > goes to play tomb raider 

            It’s very noble of you to want to protect them, but, by the same argument: “God forbid people who have been shot (or threatened with a gun) go to play Tomb Raider (or nearly any other game).”

            Right? 

            I’m pretty sure most of them have the ability to distinguish reality from fiction, though, and understand that story villains are supposed to do villainous things.

          • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

            Where do you get this idea that I get nervous over anything? For some reason you take disapproval as a character flaw in me. Guess what bud, you don’t know anything about me. Just because I do not agree with you doesn’t mean I’m some nervous little kid who can’t handle anything. You must be kidding because if that’s really your take on this conversation, then it’s pretty disappointing. 

            You go on to scrutinize my opinion further, by giving me a quick lesson on character development and storytelling as if I had no clue these literary elements existed. I’m not that naive, Ben. I’ve made it abundantly clear that this problem stretches well past this incident, and is in no way unique. 

            It’s whatever, really. You do make a point that it shouldn’t be taken any differently than murder, and I’ll concur to that. 

            Just out of curiosity though, would you still be white knighting this had they actually shown her being raped? 

          • Old Ben

            > You do make a point
            > that it shouldn’t be
            > taken any differently
            > than murder, and I’ll
            > concur to that. 

            But you do “take it differently”. You don’t even have a problem playing games where _you_ kill other people (and get rewarded for that). But the thought of one fictitious villain feeling up a fictitious heroine in a cutscene clearly bothers you.

            So what’s the “ingredient” that’s disturbing you, if not sex?

            > Just out of curiosity
            > though, would you
            > still be white
            > knighting this had
            > they actually shown
            > her being raped? 

            That must be the most contradictory use of the term “white knight” I’ve ever seen.

            And if that was something the authors decided was relevant for the story, of course I would defend their right to include it, just as I defend the right of the people who wrote Pulp Fiction, Shawshank Redemption, Kill Bill, etc.. And just as I defend Shakespeare’s right to start Hamlet with a murder. Not that any of them need me to defend them.

          • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

            The problem with your view on my opinion is, for some reason, you find that my disapproval is indicative of nervousness, and feelings of being disturbed. Quite frankly, I think you are just using those allegations toward me as a person because you have nothing better to do with your time. That’s fine, just know you are completely wrong.

            I’m not sure why you linger on the murder topic, I thought I had made myself quite clear that it’s all about context. With this Tomb Raider scene, Croft is already tied up, already being held captive, already facing a situation she needs to escape from. Adding in the suggestion of rape only fluffs it up, for it wouldn’t change anything if it were in there or not.  

            I kind of hoped you wouldn’t continue to equate rape with sex. But you just keep doing it… and in turn keep suggesting that I must have some greater issue with sex, which is wrong. If you honestly feel that rape is the same thing as sex then I feel bad for you. Having sex with someone is different than raping someone. If you can’t tell those two apart you probably need some kind of counseling.

            Either way it’s clear that we are going to just have to agree to disagree. Beginning to feel like you keep arguing just to argue. I’m not going to keep defending my disapproval, I shouldn’t have to. It’s not your opinion so leave it at that. If you need help knowing what disapproval means than I’m sure you can find a dictionary somewhere. 

          • Old Ben

            > I’m not sure why you linger on the
            > murder topic, I thought I had made
            > myself quite clear that it’s all about
            > context. 

            And if a villain is holding a damsel prisoner, the narrative context for a rape attempt is pretty much established, no? What do you think the “forced marriage” of countless medieval tales represents? Bad guy forcing himself on the good girl, thus making it clear to the audience that he’s a bad guy.

            > If you honestly feel that rape is the same
            > thing as sex then I feel bad for you.

            Yes, why don’t you try the straw man angle…?

            > I kind of hoped you wouldn’t
            > continue to equate rape with sex.

            But I’m not the one doing that. You are. You don’t have a problem with the killing, you don’t have a problem with the violence, you don’t have a problem with the imprisonment. As long as the villain was only using violence of a non-sexual nature you were fine with it. So it’s not the violence part that bothers you. What does that leave?

            It’s fine to be uncomfortable about sex, but don’t pretend that it bothers you “because of the context” or that you’re just worried about what effect it might have on “other people”.

            Think about what effect it had on you, and consider the possibility that that was exactly the effect the authors intended.

          • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

            Statistics show that a women is raped in the united states every 29 seconds. And you think it’s cool to glorify it because to you it’s such creative art. And you also think it’s because I have a problem and am uncomfortable with sex. Haha You’re kidding yourself boss. Stop making excuses for supporting brutality. It’s no secret that media glorification desensitizes it’s society. 
            http://www.significancemagazine.org/details/webexclusive/1424839/Rape-more-common-than-smoking-in-the-US.html 
            http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/health/nearly-1-in-5-women-in-us-survey-report-sexual-assault.html?_r=1 

            Also I’m sure the authors of the content wanted this kind of controversy to plague their game.

          • jayremy

            You obviously can’t put together such analogies and assume finger pointing incorrectly. Which I am not going to go through a long wall of text of explanation to turn my post into baby food and spoon feed to you.

            Why use the “it’s a kid game?” issue, the main appeal to Lara Croft has been if anything sexualized from the start with the whole outrageous boob show. The point isn’t about the game being made its killing vs rape, and people nitpicking when selectively and subjectively choosing one to have an issue with.

            This game was said well over a year ago to be a big twist on the existing IP.

      • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

        So at what point in my post did I imply I was ok with murder? Why would you assume that? You say ‘Go Figure’ as if you have this impeccable understanding on everyone else’s implications. You have no clue what I am for or against unless I tell you.

        • Old Ben

          > So at what point in my post did I imply I was ok with murder?

          You didn’t. But you didn’t say you weren’t, either, hence my question (see that mark at the end of the sentence?).

          When someone says “in my personal opinion, [attempted rape] shouldn’t be involved in games in general”, but doesn’t say a word about all the people being killed in the same games (including the one that prompted this article), one has to wonder.

          So, just to make it perfectly clear: Are you ok with murder being part of games?

    • http://www.facebook.com/BrianOrr.Author Brian Orr

      I dont think it glorifies it, that would be if you the player actually did rape in the game and then bragged about it to other npc’s. This scene shown is pretty tame in its content as far as rape and assault goes. Not much different from the “rape” scene in Robing Hood: Prince of Thieves with Kevin Costner where Prince John had just married Marion and was about to force himself on her at the alter.

  • Karizee

    Rape is art???  Wtf is wrong with you???

    • http://twitter.com/EvilTrollWizard Evil Troll Wizard

      wow, really? 

    • jayremy

       Way to twist things way the fck out of logical bounds.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Aldraran Jason Ames

    It would be a real slam to the story of the game, if a bunch of immoroal murderous scavangers, taking a pretty goirl prisoner, that they wouldnt try something, like sexual assault. If they were real, they would try it, you already dont care about her life, whats going another step to these characters? I have watched the scene, and the feeling i get is much like i would get from a thriller or horror film. she fends him off, mostly driven by fear, and a bit of brutal enginuity, and you get to see the bad guy lose his face, great story telling, keeps you at the edge of your seat stuff.

    • Karizee

      Let’s see a guy getting raped on and see how entertaining you find that.

      • itsJUSTINduh

         It was attempted rape and who cares if it’s a male a female …. it’s storytelling and nothing sexual even happens.

      • Old Ben

        If you think every element of a story (or movie scene / game cutscene) is meant to be “entertaining”, I’m not sure you understand the concept of a narrative.

        And I seem to remember guys getting raped in Pulp Fiction, The Shawshank Redemption, and a number of other highly acclaimed movies.

      • jayremy

         The moment of occurrence isn’t what is supposed to make everybody aroused and exited… come on. It’s about telling a story to pose as close to realistically relatable as well as making a serious plot.

        As Ben says here, I don’t think the pope fiction scene for example had everybody “enjoying” the image and thought of the guy being raped, but for damn sure I know a lot of people liked what came next… Katana.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mgnexus Mike Garcia

    When I saw the trailer I had a whole different thought to it. It’s realistic. Sorry, but if a beautiful woman is trapped on an island and captured by a bunch of men..the likelihood of her being raped is extremely high, and I think it’s a good message to show her fight back despite being completely backed into a corner rather than just submit to the torture. Too many women allow themselves to be beaten by their husbands every day, and many who are raped never even speak up about it out of embarrassment. To take a highly popular character like Croft and show that even back when she was vulnerable and a normal woman, that she would absolutely not let something like that happen to her without fighting to her last breath could turn a negative scenario into a positive message. This would truly be very different if the player was controlling the man, and the goal was to violate a woman in a game. Instead, the game exposes a harsh truth about the world most are too afraid to face, and we as the player help her escape it. 

  • http://twitter.com/EvilTrollWizard Evil Troll Wizard

    It’s suggestive just like other games. like fallout 3 and many other games. The scene is not taken too far I mean it only last a few seconds. I’ve seen far worse things on Lifetime network. People are just hypocrites. The same people who freak out over this nonsense toon in every night to watch men rape and brutalize women on the lifetime network. Why companies pander to people who don’t actually buy their games I don’t know. 

    • jayremy

       If they can’t handle a bit of deep storytelling and “realism” then they shouldn’t whine and complain that others shouldn’t too.

    • http://www.facebook.com/djlanders020 Dave Landers

      Let me bring up the real issue here…. Why are you watching the Lifetime Movie Network?

  • http://twitter.com/Valkerion Brion Valkerion

    Skeevy villain tries to feel up hot protagonist… then gets the crap kicked out of his junk, ear bitten off, then a cap popped in his face… yeah don’t see how its controversial if they never made it that she completely decimates the guy. Being said, M rated game, with a scene we see in PG 13 movies. Nothing big here imo. More a badass chick taking it to some one. 

  • http://twitter.com/EvilTrollWizard Evil Troll Wizard

    As a story teller you should not have to change your story just because someone doesn’t like it. If people don’t like the scene and have actually watched it then they have the right to not buy the product.That’s freedom right? 

  • Old Ben

    It always amazes me how people who are fine with mass slaughter manage to feel offended by anything remotely sexual. I guess that old joke needs to be reversed:

    “Hey, hey… let’s not turn this murder into a rape.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/chaz.rpg Chaz Davis

      Nice to know you’re ok with rape Old Ben

      • Old Ben

        Sorry, you’re not my type.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vic-Coleman/100000230803712 Vic Coleman

        Ben never said he was okay with rape. He said that he finds it funny that that rape in a game is some how taboo but going around aimlessly killing people is just fine.

        Let’s put to you this way, it is better for you to take a dildo and stab it in Lara Croft’s heart, killing her than it is take the same dildo and put it into her in any way shape or form of sex.

      • http://twitter.com/DaveyDiablo Davey Diablo

         He didn’t imply that whatsoever…

  • http://twitter.com/Nipper1184 Nipper

    it doesn’t matter whether or not there is an attempted rape scene.  it is a mature game and kids in no way should be touching it.  if they are its not anyone’s problem but the dumbass parent.  besides this specific scene is being shown to get the game attention.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1085131399 Jason Watkins

    It’s a game. GAME. WIth Mature rating. GET OVER IT.

  • Old Ben

    I believe Mario’s dark past involved monkeys and barrels.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ITHF7XKYGVXFAPCDMDJTKHLBBU Lian Wan

       and abuse of said monkey … who knew Mario was such a terrible person.

  • Warfox Mihomiti

    I hear worse talk of rape when a woman shows up to compete at a fighting game tournament. At least Tomb Raider is showing that women are strong enough to fight back.

  • Camzillasmom

    It is unfortunately very likely these days that if a beautiful young woman (or even man…) is trapped on an island together with a horde of men she / he is going to get raped. The point is that people get the message, that it’s wrong.

    I will definitely play it when the kiddies have gone to bed. Like all the games with mature content.

  • http://twitter.com/TuxPants Mamoru Chiba

    The obvious threat on her life is the more terrifying part I would think. Do any of you have friends/family that have been murdered? Should Call of Duty be legal?

  • http://www.facebook.com/chrisjohnrandall Chris Randall

    It needs to be in the game, it is mature rated, therefore kids should not be playing it, if they are, you need to look at yourself as parents and vet your kids games!  If you don’t want them playing it, they shouldn’t be.

    As for defense of the sexual theme, it is fictional narrative, of course we don’t condone it happening in real life, the same way we don’t condone savage people on the island murdering people.

    As for the argument that this encourages people to do things, I would submit that those people have underlying issues that probably need professional help to deal with!

    • jayremy

       Yeah, if a game motivates/reminds you to go out and rape somebody or perhaps on the female/victim end gets you utterly paranoid about rapist jumping from any dark shadow you look at, you probably have some serious psychological problems that aren’t anywhere close to considered normal or stable.

  • MarcusKn

    I coul

  • MilamberNova

    Don’t see the problem if the game is supposed to be mature rated. Everyone knows the gaming community is becoming older and also more people are becoming more accepting of it, its time that developers start taking some risks and tackle some difficult stories so that storytelling in games can evolve.

  • RJTravis

    The really scary part of the trailer is the bad guy looks just like Jim Raynor from SC2 made by blizzard.

  • Peter Jeaiem

     Rape!? Shocking! Unacceptable! Ok… with that out of the way I need to get back to civ 5, I have to nuke Frances 5 major cities simultaneously,… wich is of course perfectly acceptable.

  • Chris Brown

    If a writer wants to put rape themes in a book, its released as a mature book, if a film does it, its released as an 18/21+ film. So why are people getting up in arms about it over a game. Release it as an 18/21+ game. Simple.

  • http://www.facebook.com/djlanders020 Dave Landers

     And if the issue is sexually suggestive content in video games, they should remove the breasts from female video game characters like Lara Croft, Tifa Lockheart, Ivy, etc etc….

  • WESTPORT1963

    Wonder how Brad Pitt feels about this?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1375412151 Erik Merickel

    I recognize this is a hot topic right now. I know it makes tempers flair on both sides. But I would say this… If the issue is equality, as i’ve seen it proposed, then wouldn’t that mean that men and women should be treated equally in videogames? If we can take a character like Max Payne. A male protagonist, and for the sake of story destroy his life in every way we can think of (his family murdered brutally, himself tortured within an inch of his life, fallen to substance abuse and depression), and have that ok. But we take a female character, and destroy her in the most brutal way we can think of (in this case physical torture through rape), and all of a sudden its not ok? When a writer thinks of “What is the worst thing we can do to this character?” The difference of male and female makes a difference. You don’t destroy a male emotionally and physically the same way you do a female. If the point is to create a character that is broken physically and emotionally, and then have them overcome that and triumph, shouldn’t both male and female characters be fair game? Isnt that the point of equality? To tell the stories of both men and women?  And just for the record, the argument of “women are always portrayed in a negative light in video games” isnt necessarily fair, as most bad guys in games are men. Most thugs are men. Most of the thousands upon thousands of random cannon-fodder bad guys that we kill are all men. So if we added up the number of times men were shown to be stupid, slow, evil, mentally challenged or just generally showed bad qualities of, men would far outweigh women. 

    I do not think raping women is ok. Just want that to be clear. And i’m sorry if my comment has become muddled somewhat here. I generally tend to side with the argument that if the writers are trying to tell and story, written for adults, then that is as acceptable as any other story of torture and abuse. If they are doing it just for a reaction, then it is not acceptable.

    • jayremy

       I will have to agree and say that it is good to point out the fact that it is okay to bash males all the way down through the ground into hell, but when you bash a female not even near as bad and it will become an intolerance.

      This extends to other forms of “discrimination” as well but I will not get into it. Fairness does not always mean equal, because fairness is about cause and effect (action and react) rather than just the effect or reaction.

  • http://twitter.com/sp00s Vince Ludovico

    If you as the main character were running around and trying to rape people I would understand an uproar. Using an adult situation to tell a story, especially an origin story is done every day, regardless of the media used. 

  • ArsenicSundae

    The game is supposed to cater to a mature audience.  How shocking it is that it might contain mature themes.  The damned puritans should mind their knitting and stay the hell out of other people’s business.

  • Jay

    Let’s be real… Rape happens in real life. Someone who looks like Lara Croft on an island with dirty looking thugs like those? Attempted rape is pretty much imminent… Sad, but true. 

    I think it adds a realistic touch, and if anything it shows someone overcoming such a sick act of violence. It’s almost empowering…

    “This game is rated M for mature.” – Deep voice from commercials.

    • Kagitaar

      That’s what I was thinking.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rammur65 Roger Means

    its a story element games are not meant for lil 7 year old kids anymore get over it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rammur65 Roger Means

    People gotta relize also she beat the living crap outa the guy its justice done lol

  • http://www.facebook.com/rammur65 Roger Means

    and last but not least the tombraider site already has a press statement stating the scene you see in trailer is it it doesnt go any further than what they show. And they have no plans to remove it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brian.auxier.1 Brian Auxier

    I think it should it be worse just to shock people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Evan-Iwerks/712235 Evan Iwerks

    I have mixed feelings on this one. There’s a lot of legitimate adult themes that can be addressed in video games, and they should be brought up if they add something to the game. Sexual assault can help to provide background to a character. It’s not the first time such a thing has been suggested in video games, after all (you really think all those princesses getting captured were just being held to make into trophies…?).

    On the other side of things, rape is such a charged word with so many emotional triggers – it’s an incredibly painful experience, physically and psychologically. And unlike warfare or nuclear strikes or what have you (also incredibly painful experiences), it’s a deeply personal experience – it’s not easy to capture the experience properly. It’s not the presence of that behavior in-game that would bother people, so much as the insensitivity it suggests. The scene shown looks mild enough, but if the game pushed her into a more compromised, vulnerable position, I could definitely understand backlash. Being an adult doesn’t mean you’re insensitive to how painful and life-altering rape can be – M for Mature isn’t a proper protection for that.

    So Tomb Raider, in this instance, seems okay. Doing more than this would be dangerous and need special handling.

    When I saw the picture, I didn’t see Jim Raynor (as someone else did), but Joel from The Last of Us. Then I thought of Ellie getting attacked like that, and all I could see was red.

    • jayremy

      I think rape is seen as such because of the way western countries mainly US and UK for example have such a more immature view of sex as a whole and anything related. While everybody seems to be fine with torture/physical abuse and killing.

      Now do note UK is a bit better at this along with the rest of Europe and most of the world at not being so immature or “puritan” (religiously fundamental condemnation of lust and other sexual desires and such rules) about sexual content.

      • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

        Rape is not sex.  Its an act of violence.

        • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

          Yea, how anyone is equating Rape to sex is beyond me. Desensitized youth. And if you argue with them about it they make you out to be a nervous little kid who is scared of sex. Imagine that, disapproving of rape which is an act of violence deems you scared and uncomfortable with sex. 

          I don’t know, ladies… might want to stay away from some of these guys equating rape to sex, justsayin

          • jayremy

            Yes it is an act of violence, but there are many acts of violence. I think I meant sex instead of “rape”, but because there is so much talk about rape I typed that. All I am saying is in western culture we go nuts about sexual content over other issues of equal or greater severity.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Austin-Almasi/1714445698 Austin Almasi

    I love how no one cares when people are slaughtering people everyone just takes it as it comes … rape shows up and everyone’s like oh no we cant have that even though games have had sex scenes i think it’s not as big as people are trying to think it is if we can slaughter people in games without batting an eye then people should realize that they have been heading in dark directions this should be allowed or be like a choice it’s just one scene it’s not like the entire game is raping … it’s a good motivator for killing for the first time and will be one key factor into the whole transitioning from innocent naive girl to the hardened sexy bad ass we know and love

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=506728308 Julian F’n Mugnieco

    why is it okay to depict a rape scene in a R rated movie (have you SEEN Dragon tattoo?!), but in a Mature rated video game it’s all of a sudden forbidden?

    I for one refuse to be a player in the pussification of the human race.

    • http://www.facebook.com/joshua.oreskovich Joshua Oreskovich

       It’s not ok in either case. Media doesn’t belong taking over the role of parenting about the worst most misunderstood subjects on the planet. If you want “porno magazine collector’s” dictating your art because they have the most influence, then get mad about it.

      If you want a world without guidance or moral truth, don’t sweat it, it’s coming. And when you have children it’s coming for them too.

      Rape is not a topic to be weilded like it “doesn’t matter, “it just happens”. You may understand it, your friends may understand it. But what about the women who are the accidental recipients of careless understanding?

      Do you realize there are more women raped in America than the whole world? A few times over?

      Calculate that out, figure out the common denominator. It is because poeple are socially well adjusted.

      Want the statitics go check out wiki, and ask yourself a simple question.

      Who or what is influencing these people to behave so poorly?

      Want to tune in? Learn, and don’t let commercial advertisement and hate rule and influence your world.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=506728308 Julian F’n Mugnieco

        First, I’m not American, so +1 to me. Second, I really don’t understand the point you’re trying to get across.

        Rape sucks, sure, agree 100%, but never have I ever seen any rape/molestation scene in any form of media be done in a glorifying light. That…well that would be fucked.

        Again, having an open-minded position on media and creativity, good. Freaking out about dark scenes in an appropriately rated medium, pussification of the human race.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YSVAPKVBUPTX6YS3W2DLPOBNN4 AlokP

    Again, all these comments have just illustrated the video’s point – those who believe video games can’t cover a topic like rape and sexual assault don’t see video games as legitimate venues for storytelling and art. I don’t know what people that believe this think video games are, maybe mindless entertainment that shouldn’t require thought, for you, you had the first few games in the Tomb Raider series. As people have countlessly mentioned, rape exists in fictionalized literature, film, television, etc, not as condoning it but as background to explain the psychology of a character.

    For those critics who wonder if we’d be okay with a male being raped – sure thing, if it’s part of the story. The lack of males as rape victims in art in general has more to do with power dynamics, anti-homosexuality (in the case of male-on-male rape) and a belief (however mistaken) that a woman could not rape a man short of completely immobilizing him and inserting things in him. I actually think a video game with a male protagonist who was subject to rape would make a great storyline. It’s just that outside of certain settings (prison comes to mind) no one has yet had the creativity to make a compelling story where a male can be broken psychologically through rape with a male villian willing to take on the social stigma of raping a man. God forbid we have a female villian who rapes a male protagonist and it makes him a misogynist. That’d be a whole other thing to be in an uproar about.

    If there’s anything to criticize here it’s the devs storytelling – not whether they have the right to tell the story. Argue all you want that you don’t need an intended rape to make Lara Croft strong, don’t argue that showing an attempted rape on Lara Croft is unacceptable in a video game.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joshua.oreskovich Joshua Oreskovich

    I think with all the brainstorming here you kids will have the world sorted out in no time, while your at it why don’t you vote out religious freedom as well. that’s obviously pointless, no puppies saved there or rap star advice to be delivered.

  • Mark Cookson

    Hi… welcome to real life… where things such as rape DO actually happen in the world. Facepalm.

  • Old Ben

    You’re clearly very confused about a lot of things, starting with the meaning of the word “glorify”.

  • http://twitter.com/mobtekl mobtek mobtekl

    Doesn’t bother me one bit. Shit happens, the grittier the better IMHO. It’s part of the backstory.

  • Sara McKee

    The problem I have with this stems from two things:

    1. You wouldn’t have attempted rape if this were a male character.
    2. They state in other parts of the interview that you want to protect her and help her through her journey. 

    Uhm, no.  I liked that she was this crazy indiana jones type woman.  I don’t want to protect her.  I want to watch her be a bamf!

    • http://www.facebook.com/pernille.sylvest Pernille Sylvest

      Maybe it would not have come to the script if she was a pretty boy instead,  I agree on that, though it realistically could have. That does not mean it does not fit into this scenario. 

      As long as the attempted rape is not glorified, the scene is realistic for the setting though a little cliche, and the antagonist gets what he has got comming, I do not see a problem. She overcame something horrible and it brought her one step closer to the Lara Croft we know. 

      If someone made a male prison video game where our hero of the game is a young man who has to defend himself just like she does – would you think less of him, wether or not the rape succeeds? Because men do get raped too, also in fictional work. Not so often, though.

      The potential problem is the people, whose knee-reaction is to actually want to see a full rape scene happen, because the thought excites them and personal excitement means more to them than wanting to see someones suffering be prevented, a heroic moment. What is next on the willingness to pay? a “fictional” snuff movie? And after that?

      I could understand someone wanting to see a full Lara Croft sex scene, but that is not what we are talking about here. We are talking rape, fictional rape, yes, but not some scene disguised as pretend role fantasy sexgame that she is going to enjoy too.

      The scenario set up to a real fictional rape that was prevented, and even if the viewers body is willingly objectifying her, their mind should be screaming NO, and by all means they should think twice about making it public about how they want to see a full rape scene of Lara Croft – with how hawt they think it is read between the lines.

      So is the scene ok as it is shown, yes, I think so. 
      Is some peoples reactions to a Lara Croft rape scene rumour ok? No, not so much.

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