Diablo III's Jay Wilson lashes out at series creator David Brevik


Written by: (@Rinaxas) | August 20, 2012 10:13 am

Diablo III's Jay Wilson lashes out at series creator David Brevik
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More negativity coming out of the Blizzard camp today, with industry veterans posting snarky comments and insults on facebook.

It all started when co-founder of Blizzard North and creator of the Diablo series, David Brevik, did an interview with IncGamers. In the interview he gave his rather candid and honest opinions when asked about Diablo III. Here are a few highlights of the exchange:

“IncGamers: You are very well known in the world of ARPGs, and I am going to ask you, Diablo 3 is probably the most anticipated PC title in 10 years. What’s your opinion on the final product?

David Brevik: Honestly, I think that they did a lot of the things the best they could, it was a very different game than I would have created, the team and personalities, the people, the talent and all the design philosophies of the people that worked on it in Irvine, we called them Blizzard South, those people have their own style and the their own way they like to design. It was very, very different from the Blizzard North.

So I think that when Blizzard South took over the development of Diablo 3 it was inevitable that they were going to create an experience that was in the Diablo theme but concentrated more towards the things that they liked to experience. Including more story and things like that.

When Blizzard North shut down they lost a ton of experience with why the Action RPG works and what about it works. That’s really difficult to recover from. They didn’t have the experience of people that knew it well. This is why you do things with random levels for example, and so when you lose that experience you are going to create a very different experience in the end than we would have created.

IncGamers:  As you created Diablo, how do you feel about it? Do you feel a little let down that the legacy has kind of been mashed up?

David Brevik:  I have very mixed emotions about it (laughs). On one hand I am sad that people haven’t enjoyed Diablo because it’s a love, a passion, and its obvious people still have a giant love and passion for Diablo and they are speaking out about it because they have such love for it. That makes me feel great.

I am sad because people are outraged and, you know, some of the decision they have made are not the decisions I would make and there have been changes in philosophy and that hasn’t gone over very well. I think in that way I am a little sad.

I am also a little happy, which I hate to say, it shows that the people that were involved in Diablo really did matter, and so I am happy that it has come to light that how talented that group was and how unique and special that group was. I am hoping that, as this happens very often in the industry, you see it with Call of Duty and things like that ,  when the people leave the game changes and it shows how critical people are in this industry.”

A lot of noisy fans agree with Mr. Brevik, but some people did not take too kindly to the very polite critique of the final result that is Diablo III. If Jay Wilson and the rest of the current D3 team are just waving their hands in dismissal of Brevik’s thoughts and opinions, are they then doing the same with the thoughts and opinions of the fans?

Some of the more unhappy and snarky reactions came from the D3 dev team in the form of a facebook post. Technical Artist Chris Haga posted the interview on his facebook account saying he felt like he was, “thrown under a bus.” With others chiming in and adding their voices to the chorus of displeasure. Jay Wilson, the game director of D3, even got in on it, calling Brevik a loser and using less than polite language.

Facebook is not as private as one might think. Wilson has since deleted his comment. We’re still waiting on an official statement from Blizzard about this whole exchange.

pc games diablo 3     #$%# THAT LOSER!


  • http://twitter.com/willypallen William Allen

    I can understand why Blizzard may be upset/irate about the comments made, but they need to be professional and not post their remarks about it on such a public forum. I don’t care if they do the whole “these views and opinions are that of the individual and do not represent that of the company” thing. You are supposed to be a business professional so act like it.

  • Josh Rosenvelt

    Also David Brevik is the god father of the diablo series, if it wasn’t for him Jay Wilson wouldn’t of had the honor of doing diablo 3. Diablo 3 might of sold 10 million copies but one things for sure diablo 4 won’t.

  • Joel Marazzo

    This seems to be a very High School thing to do, IMO. I agree with William Allen here… Lets keep it professional. These people just seem really butthurt. 

    • Old Ben

      > This seems to be a very High School thing to do, IMO.

      At least they’re doing it on the right website for that.

  • http://twitter.com/Succorbenothi Christopher

    Jesus. I cant believe they did that in a public forum. He might have not liked the game but the critiques were all done in a polite manner. Yet the blizzard team comes out like upset teenagers.  Really Jay Wilson? “F* that loser?” you say that to the guy that created the game? Yeah great GREAT professional manner there Jay.

  • M Spears

    and the game isn`t as good at it could have been. certainly not as good as DII

  • http://www.facebook.com/radioactivehead Matt Rogers

    I’ve got balls of Feel…

    Seriously though, Blizzard has stuck by this mindset that D3 was the greatest game ever, and it obviously wasn’t. It was mediocre at best and to this day, they refuse to admit that the game was less than stellar. Even with the game at it’s busiest, there is maybe 700-800 people playing. At level 60 in act 3, I can’t even find a group because no one plays anymore. The game sucks Blizz, just take the beating, lick your wounds, and move on. Stop pumping time, money, and energy into this mistake. 

    • http://twitter.com/Nipper1184 Nipper

      u mad bro?

      • MMO_Doubter

        Are YOU retarded, Bro?

      • http://www.facebook.com/radioactivehead Matt Rogers

        You make a good argument there, bro…

      • Jado Cast

        He’s not mad, he’s ANGRY! :)  and furthermore, he’s right, about it sucking.  LOL

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Case/100003772398650 Justin Case

       there are still around 1 million players active.the 700-800 people playing are just the public games appropriate for your level,and since only clueless noobs play public,and most active players are hardcore grinders,you get that small value.

      • Jado Cast

        Justin Case lol, I see what you did there . . . 

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Case/100003772398650 Justin Case

           can you make a coherent reply and not say “lol” and using “i see what you did there” every sentence like a trained monkey?

          • Jado Cast

            :) Have a nice Day!

  • http://twitter.com/Succorbenothi Christopher

    Everyone except the most staunch blizzbois agrees D3 wasn’t even close to the type of game that took 10 years to make. They need to realize they did a not so great job and criticism will come. At least he did it in a polite way without calling anyone a ‘loser’ And Josh is right, the one thing Jay willson did for the Diablo franchise is kill it.

  • http://twitter.com/AnesthesiaOlogy Josh E

    Just more proof of how far Blizzard has fallen and how they’ve abandoned professional standards and dedication to quality.

    All aboard the GW2/ANet train!

  • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

    It was David Brevek comment “I am also a little happy…” that would have set me off.  Still I don’t agree with publicly posting thoses comments.

    • http://www.facebook.com/andrewmaxcohen Andrew Max Cohen

      Hes happy because blizzard thought that Bnorth persons weren’t necessary in creating a successful D3, hes happy because they were wrong and it shows in the final product.. if they wanted a great D3 Bnorth should have made it

      • MMO_Doubter

        Our definition of ‘great’ probably differs greatly from Blizzard’s. It sold ‘great’.

        If Wilson had shit into 10 million boxes and sold them all, Blizzard would think THAT was great.

        • http://twitter.com/Tjoerin Tjoerin

           Well.. yeah… Some people would say that’s what they did.

          • Josh Rosenvelt

            hahahahaah that made me lol hard, good one m8.

      • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

        Sounds like David Brevek comments were a little self-serving.   He abandoned Blizzard North two years before it was closed by Blizzard.

        June 30, 2003, several key employees left Blizzard North to form the new companies Flagship Studios (8 moved here including Max Schaefer, Erich Schaefer, David Brevik and Bill Roper) and Castaway Entertainment.  The Blizzard North exodus continued on with around 30 employees leaving the company in total.

        On August 1, 2005, Blizzard Entertainment announced the closure of Blizzard North.

        I’m all for people leaving established publishers to run their own compaines.  But, to make it sound like the evil corporation shut down the office and put them all out of work was a lie.

        • Old Ben

          > But, to make it sound like the evil corporation shut
          > down the office and put them all out of work was a lie.

          Where did he “make it sound like the evil corporation shut down the office and put them all out of work”…? You really need to get that paranoia under control.

  • http://twitter.com/SilverTaurusPL SilverTaurus

    Thats why people should move to Google+ =P
    Sometimes you would like ‘honestly’ answer, and tell what you feel, but all goes public..

  • Deathstar2x

    Interviews don’t have to be objective.

    I’ll just keep it short— looks like a circlejerk to me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Case/100003772398650 Justin Case

    jay wilson is a scumbag,David Brevik is the man that created the diablo series,and since d2 made most of d3 sells,responsible for the money wilson is stuffing in his pockets right now.Th fat slob should just be fired,him and his lame colleagues,bashing a man on facebook for his honest opinion.Anyways,i stopped playing wow 5 years ago,stopped playing diablo a while ago,i refused even to cashout so i don’t give them extra money.I’m not gonna buy heart of the swarm,nor the d3 expansion.

  • http://twitter.com/AnesthesiaOlogy Josh E

    Did D3 even sell 10 million copies? That number seems incredibly high. Even assuming that a lot of WoW players did the annual pass to get on it, that still seems ridiculously high.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Case/100003772398650 Justin Case

       it sold 8.5,it will probably sell 10 by the end of the year

      • http://twitter.com/AnesthesiaOlogy Josh E

        No one is still buying it, so 10 million is unlikely. Also, of all those players, how many even still play? More people probably play Rift than Diablo III.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      I don’t think it sold 10m, it sold 3.5 million copies in the first 24 hours and the annual pass was another 1.5m players. So, it sold another 5m copies before it was reported at 10m players.  Heck, its still in the top 10 on Amazon.

      Me, not a dungeon crawlers fan, so its not really my kind of game.

  • http://www.facebook.com/oneniisama Bear Powell

    Stay Classy San Diego.

  • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

    Jay Wilson is a class act. 

    /sarcasm

  • http://www.facebook.com/arlie.silver Arlie Ren Silver

    Anytime someone says that D3 wasnt good, Blizzard/fanboy’s reaction is it sold 10 million copies. Yes congrats you sold 10 million copies to a game that had more hype than jesus’ return, made by a company (that at the time) was thought to nearly flawless, had a “beta” that hide 95% of the game from you, and had 10 years to brain storm and create. What you gave us was a game that had features cut from the final product, strives to rip you off on the RMAH, has been patched monthly since launch because it is so flawed, and seemingly ignored the lessons from the previous games in the series (i.e. itemization). If MoP is as bad i will be changing bank accounts (to get out of my annual pass) and abandoning ship on Blizzard.

  • Krzysztof Kotarba

    who cares, fighting won’t change anything, already bought the game… sadly

    • Jado Cast

      If there was ever a time, I’m glad I played a beta, it was for D3 and SWOTR.  Both beta’s made me decide to cancel my pre-orders.  

      • MMO_Doubter

         I have NEVER bought an MMO for which I played a beta. STO, Rift, Tera.

        I wish I had played TSW’s.

        • Jado Cast

          Yeah, I’ve learned my lesson.  Beta or Trial first, then purchase if I like it. Been burned too many times.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-Hamilton/1150725720 Ryan Hamilton

    I lol’d. Bad game is bad. Move on with life.

  • http://twitter.com/GrantElicious Grant Butler

    I loved Diablo 2 but Diablo 3 was a load of shit and it’s reflected in how none of my friends are playing and yet they were all excited for it after Diablo 2. In some ways it would never live up to the hype anyways but for me I just found it to feel very dated and dumbed down. I wasn’t impressed by the story, thought it was forgettable and yet I loved Diablo 2′s story. I also hated the cartoony Warcraft art style, to me it didn’t look like Diablo. 

    I’m sick of loot now, like just give me the loot I’m interested, when you throw such much trash loot into the game just tires me out from it. I was hoping they’d evolve the genre but like Starcraft 2 it felt like the same experience but worse 10 years on. 

    Funny because Torchlight 2 is doing more to keep me interested in the genre. Just like CoH did, that game advanced the RTS genre in so many ways for me apart from the poor menu UI and finding a game system which kills the online. However capture points are much better than resource gathering, the troops have basic A.I of their own and ain’t just dumb fodder, the cover system is amazing, the destruction is amazing. I love how no matter how many infantry units you have, they wont gun down a tank, you need proper AV weapons to take care of them. I love how tanks can just drive through buildings, again another advantage… just so much better than Starcraft 2′s boring dated static maps.

  • Miguel Justiniano

    “but some people did not take too kindly to the very polite critique”

    What exactly was polite about Brevik’s remarks?  He basically said he’s happy about all the D3 criticism because for him it highlights how awesome he is.  That sounds more like an arrogant jerk.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1260066056 Steven Diaz

      No, that’s not basically what he said.  He was pretty PC with his response and simply stated that he was happy that his OWN team was so special that it was hard to mimic their work.  THAT’s what he BASICALLY said.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kelly-Kintner/740129373 Kelly Kintner

    I don’t understand the tone of the article. I love Diablo III and have played it near daily since launch. So it isn’t your thing, doesn’t mean it’s bad. The article starts off giving the immediate impression D3 is a failure. Well, I and the people I play with every day would beg to differ.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Case/100003772398650 Justin Case

       no endgame,endless item grind,no pvp,can you please tell me what’s so great about it?

      • Deathstar2x

        Normal to Hell is fun, but those people haven’t reached Inferno yet.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Case/100003772398650 Justin Case

          0-60 takes 20 hours

          • Deathstar2x

            Well.. if they are level 60, I’d like to know what they find so great about the game as well. o_O

            (That’s why I’m guessing they’re NOT 60 yet)

    • Josh Rosenvelt

      Kelly works for Blizz.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z36GPOU3Q2QIQYBIDVNQAVGNGE Raul

      10 Years for “error 37″ does not equal anything close to great.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kelly-Kintner/740129373 Kelly Kintner

    One more thing, it is simply wrong for this Blizzard Brevik to admit making a bad product and still take people’s money for it. It was the best selling PC game ever, you admitted hoax just now. So, either you are lying about it not being great, or you are lying about a game being worth 60 bucks. I personally don’t feel ripped off on my purchase because I love the game, but that is no way to treat fans and devs.. in my opinion.

    • Josh Rosenvelt

      The game sold 10 million copies because of how good diablo 1 and 2 were, then we had to wait 10 years to get this. 10 YEARS. If this game was released by another company besides blizzard and it was called something else. Death to Demons it would of sold 500 000 copies if they were lucky.

    • Deathstar2x

      Please don’t bring logical fallacies to the conversation. David Brevik did not mention anything about the sales of the game.

      It was the best selling game
      He disagreed, that means:
      A) You’re lying about it not being great
      B) You’re lying about it not worth $60

      Saying it was not a great game does not mean it wasn’t the best selling game.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z36GPOU3Q2QIQYBIDVNQAVGNGE Raul

      10 Years for “error 37″ does not equal anything close to great.

  • http://twitter.com/LDrgn2012 Mike K.

    To offend somebody in a form like that normally shows up, that he is right – that’s the last way you have, if you don’t have any arguments at all. Congrats to Blizzard for another time bad press with a lot of influence which shows, that they don’t want to hear, that they made mistakes. At least it is the same thing like it happened to a lot of other games which had following parts after a change of the devs. It just failed and Diablo 3 might be one of the best sold computer games ever, but now there is just a handful players who are still playin’ that game.

  • http://twitter.com/SeedEve AppleSeed2148

    D3 is a parody of Diablo and honestly I’m unimpressed by what I saw.I played the Starter Edition during the week-end and I’m happy I didn’t spend 60 bucks on this &^%$

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kelly-Kintner/740129373 Kelly Kintner

    Also you can’t blame Jay for saying that.. it was no different than a coach getting ejected from a game for sticking up for his players. When someone puts your team in the slammer, you have to stick up for them. 

    • http://twitter.com/LDrgn2012 Mike K.

      But not the way he did it in an official platform where anyone can read it. That is just unprofessional. Sorry, but I have not read any offense on the team who built this game. He said, that it matters which people are in that team and not more.

  • Draugmahl

    …kinda feel like a news article with data from someone’s facebook is a little sketchy personally.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1260066056 Steven Diaz

      It’s news and it’s what’s happening.  What’s sketchy?

  • ArsenicSundae

    If it weren’t for the Diablo name that Brevik is responsible for, the talentless hacks behind D3 would have had a gaming footnote on their hands, not a success story.  The only great thing that game has going for it, is it’s past glories.  Without the IP and the Blizzard brand name to rely on, most of it’s rabid supporters would never have even given it a second glance.

    • Josh Rosenvelt

      Exactly what I said further down.

  • ligeia_mapes

    So let me get this straight… they call out Hellgate (which although failed in ways, was still a new title) and boast about D3′s sales, which was only achieved by leeching of Brevik’s legacy. The amount of circle-jerking to comfort their inadequacy is hilarious.

  • http://twitter.com/ShawnaRM Shawna R. M.

    Talking like that about the guy that created the game you just made your bread and butter on says a lot.

    Blizz North was one of the best teams. You don’t talk wish such disrespect about them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1044962693 Ryan Snow Johnson

    I watched the David Brevik interview with IncGamers, I did purchase and play through Diablo 3 in inferno mode. I completely agree with what David Brevik said about why Diablo 3 didn’t live up to what the game should have been. The broken loot system and not having a true random dungeon generator in place hurt the game. Those are the reasons I stopped playing Diablo 3. I can’t wait to play Marvel Heroes, because David Brevik is going to be holding true to the design philosophies that made Blizzard great a decade ago. The Diablo 3 team’s comments are completely out of line. They may want to humble themselves a bit and learn what made the first two Diablo games great.

  • Shadowtalis

    One point that some people seem to forget…

    The reason Diablo 3 is the monster hit it became is because of the developers, David Brevik especially, who started this franchise.

    Don’t act as if 10 million people waited for good reviews or played a demo and THEN ran out and bought the game. Several million people purchased this game, or planned to purchase it, long before release.  Every ounce of the anticipation thats’ been building all these long years for the next Diablo is because of Diablo 1 and 2. Period.

    Lets not pretend that the new set of Dev’s magically created this huge success. They are reaping the harvest already sown for them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=671726271 David Stewart

    Sensationalist armchair journalism from an apparently biased source. I didn’t like D3 either but bad journalism is bad journalism.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1260066056 Steven Diaz

      What’s so biased?  They’re reporting exactly what happened.  How is this bad? 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001404441847 Mark Waters

    The only reason I spent my money on D3 was because of the title. I enjoyed Diablo & D2 with the expansion. I don’t feel the same about D3 after playing it for a while now. Sure it sparkles and has a bit better graphics, I still feel it falls short of what it could truly be. What is really sad is the way Jay W. just went short and sour with his comment. It does make one think he feels you can take the game if you like of leave it. I’m just glad I didn’t spend a boat load of cash on it. Maybe after 1.04 changes, I will feel different about it?

    • Josh Rosenvelt

      Welcome to the club of 10 million :)
      Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me… that goes for cata and d3, noways I falling for the MoP Hype.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001404441847 Mark Waters

        Yeah, I started playing WoW just before Lich King. Stopped playing it just after Cata was released. I know for sure I’m not getting MOP. I’m not feeling the “Love” I once had for Blizzard products.

        • http://twitter.com/crocodilius ryan phillips

          i started playing WoW during Burning Crusade and trust me when i say WotLK was the pinnacle for that game.
          Cataclysm failed because it took so much work for a revamp, and while it was needed and appreciated, there was little focus for top level players.
          MoP changes that. That have added retarded amounts of stuff to do.
          I actually stopped playing just before Firelands released and not sure if i want to play again…(i’ve got a free week from blizzard, free week from a scroll of resurrection so i’ve seen the darkmoon faire which was pretty cool).
          Might just get GW2 because i’m too cheap to subscribe again haha.

          • MMO_Doubter

            I played 5 months after release, and trust me when I say LK was shit. Of course, the shit had started late in BC with the brain-dead AOE-fest that came with paladin tanks.

    • Shadowtalis

       The 24/7 connection and how much the game needs to draw off the servers…. that ALONE is a deal breaker for most people.

      Even if you have a computer that can chew Diablo 3 up and spit it out you are still subject to all the lag issues created by the constant server connection even when you’re playing solo.

  • David Alcon

    I don’t see what the problem with the interview was. David kept it very professional while not spewing the BS PR lines people love to give. The Blizzard team is probably just tired of all the critiques about their product since it gets slammed everywhere.

    Its also pretty classy to respond to criticism by pointing out someone else’s failures.

    • http://www.facebook.com/inkogni.alex Inkogni Alex

      its getting slammed everywhere for a reason id slam it 24/7 if i had the chance.
      about 90% of comments on blizz facebook are all HATE when anything D3 related is there.

  • David Knapp

    remember, the calling out on torchlight wasn’t linked to the D3 team, the only really bad one was the one in green in the pic.  The rest were more “feel like I was thrown under a bus”.. “I feel upset.. why?”.. things like that.  And it’s more a commentary on how they feel, which is understandable.

    • http://twitter.com/crocodilius ryan phillips

      Shaefer was way too nice in his interview about Diablo3 and Torchlight2.
      He either forgot what a good game is or he’s sucking blizzard’s dick to try
      and get another job.

      • David Knapp

         that’s not to my post, mine was pointing out all the “They’re dissing his last game” posts are wrong, those are random other people.  What all but the director put out was “wow that’s slanted” which is perfectly acceptable to feel as a reaction.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NOWUW5FFH35ICWA6NIQFSRJFL4 johnn

    Was the D3 team dumb for posting this on Facebook? Yes. But I don’t disagree with their sentiment.

    People who dislike Blizz or hated D3 are obviously automatically going to look at this and see Blizz in the wrong and Brevik in the right. Again, what the Blizz devs posted was unprofessional, but I definitely think that Brevik’s comments were unnecessary. First off, it’s easy to be saying this after the fact. After all, hindsight is 20/20. Secondly, he’s basically saying “good thing they failed, I’m happy they did since they’re not me and they’re not my team.” It doesn’t matter if D3 was an amazing game or a terrible game, that’s just petty and mean-spirited to say “I was awesome, I created an amazing game, but since I’m not making the next game I hope it fails.”

    And, it DOES reek of pot calling the kettle black, as the Blizz devs pointed out, it’s not like Brevik was a flawless game designer, what with Hellgate London.

    • MMO_Doubter

      If D3 was shit (and I did not play it, so I can’t say for sure), it is fair game for EVERYONE to say it loudly and clearly. Regardless of their own past projects.

      I’d say Brevik had more right than most.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NOWUW5FFH35ICWA6NIQFSRJFL4 johnn

         As the original dev of Diablo 1 and 2,  he absolutely has the right to say “D3 did not live up to the standards I set,” but it’s just petty to say “I’m happy the game failed.”

        • MMO_Doubter

          Yeah, but it is refreshingly honest.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NOWUW5FFH35ICWA6NIQFSRJFL4 johnn

             Sure, I’m glad he didn’t come up with some BS PR answer that was vague, but if it’s good to be refreshingly honest why are people harping on Blizz for being honest?

          • MMO_Doubter

            They aren’t being honest about D3.

        • Old Ben

          > it’s just petty to say “I’m happy the game failed.”

          He didn’t. If you’re going to use quotes, quote what he actually said.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Case/100003772398650 Justin Case

       what does hellgate london have to do with diablo?

      • http://twitter.com/UnsungCesspool Eman

        People tend to forget that Hellgate London failed because of financial backing, and not a failure from a development stand point. They simply ran out of money, dispite the game being nominated for “Best PC Game” for ’06.

        • MMO_Doubter

          Running out of money is the ‘excuse’ for virtually every early release.

          I am betting D3 will get nominations as PC game of the year.

          Very few people in the industry care about anything but money.

      • http://twitter.com/Dragonours Mathieu Mauve

        Hellgate : London was made by the makers of the original Diablo (Bill Roper and David Brevik).

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Justin-Case/100003772398650 Justin Case

           i know that sherlock,i ask again,what does hellgate london have to do with diablo 3?

          • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

            Just that David Brevik is trying to rewrite history and pretend he didn’t leave Blizzard North on his own to start a new game publisher. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1260066056 Steven Diaz

            You know, that wasn’t the point of his comments.  If you take that out, nothing else he’s said is wrong.

          • http://twitter.com/Waswat Edin Besic

            Don’t bother. Dularr is one of those people who thinks Blizzard can’t do wrong. Check his comments, he defends every little thing they do. He’ll take a lot of things out of context.

          • Old Ben

            You don’t need to “take that out”, because Brevik never said it.

            Dularr has this tendency to come up with conspiracy theories where Blizzard is a damsel in distress and he needs to rush in and defend her.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NOWUW5FFH35ICWA6NIQFSRJFL4 johnn

             It wasn’t successful as a game, so for Brevik to say “I’m glad D3 failed, goes to show how special the original Diablo devs were” is a little petty since even he didn’t make a good game after Diablo.

      • http://twitter.com/crocodilius ryan phillips

        Hellgate was supposed to be the spiritual Diablo3, made by some of the same guys (the same way Torchlight and Mythos are).
        That game’s biggest problem is that they had a bad 50/50 model to subscribe or play for free….and then miss out on alot of stuff.
        People could smell it was a money fix miles away and no one bought in.

        • MMO_Doubter

          Guess Flagship were ahead of the times. People are falling for that shit all the time, now.

    • Jasongvh

      A quick google search and you will find out they ran out of funds for hellgate london so they were forced to release a unfinished product. So if you were told u were not needed by your company after giving them a product that was so damn successful, how would u feel?

      • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

        See that’s David Brevik’s lie. David Brevik left two years before Blizzard shut down Blizzard North. 

        • joe stallion

          He was happy and proud of his friends and colleagues the D2 dev that was  shut  down by Blizz are way much more better than D3 dev.
          He should think Blizz are dumb to let them go. He is not proud of himself lol.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NOWUW5FFH35ICWA6NIQFSRJFL4 johnn

         Then he should have beef with Blizz, not the people that went in to replace him and that most likely didn’t even have anything to do with the decision to fire him from Blizz. As the one guy said, Brevik basically threw the current devs under the bus.

        It’s understandable that Brevik wanted Blizz to see “hey, you were wrong to fire me, look how poorly D3 was received,” but in doing so he basically insulted the devs and threw them under the bus when they had nothing to do with his firing most likely.

        • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

          Wow, Brevik was not fired, he left Blizzard North TWO YEARS before Blizzard shut down Blizzard North.  While it was commendable to start his own gaming company, to now make it sound like he was fired, is a crock.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      Also, David Brevik left to start his own company two years before Blizzard shut down Blizzard north.   Sounds like they raided Blizzard North talent pretty hard. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1260066056 Steven Diaz

      He was asked in an interview how he felt about it.  He answered honestly, politely and in no way did he attack the developers.  He simply stated the obvious, that he would have made different decisions.  He stated what any thinking person would already know, that the original Diablo team knew more about how THEIR game worked than the new developers.  The D3 team overreacted without a proper reason.  Diablo 3 might have been the fastest selling game but most of the fan based disliked it and no longer even logs in to play.  That speaks volumes about the game.  They sold that game based on the Diablo name, people expected a game similar to Diablo 2.  Not a reskin, but not a dumbed down version either.  Diablo 3 feels like an arcade game, a horrible one.  It feels like Gauntlet rather than Diablo.

  • Jasongvh

    Alright before we carry on there is just one compliment I would like to make and that is blizzards CGI team did a great job with the cut scenes. Just like they did with the MoP trailer and all blizz trailers. Yes D3 is shit, MoPs beta is more shit but the CGI team never dissapoints

    • MMO_Doubter

      Let’s hope they make a movie – and it does as well for them as Squaresoft’s movie did.

  • Phil Thompson

    HGL was 10x better then that PoSG D3.

  • http://twitter.com/crocodilius ryan phillips

    everyone knows this game fucking sucks. everything except for the art and cutscenes. this is the first game blizzard actually fucked up gameplay. the game play feels way off. there’s no reason to level up. item stats are shit and are only slightly improving. waypoints have no purpose because you can’t switch acts and have to get stacks for MFing. normal mobs are harder to kill than bosses (technically, nothing but Baal was hard to solo in D2 but only because he mana drained and had alot of life).

    all they needed to do was reskin Diablo2 with this upgraded art; they couldn’t handle it.
    i mean they even kill Deckard Cain off 2 hours into the game as what i felt like was a “fuck you” to the old team that made the games. now there’s just Adria left and assuredly she’s dead in the expansion.

    i’m really curious if their game testers let all of this garbage through or if they were ignored….
    do i have to move to fucking california and run this shit?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ITHF7XKYGVXFAPCDMDJTKHLBBU Lian Wan

      I don’t think it’s on the “fucking sucks” level of bad. It’s not great but not terrible either.  As for the cutscenes, while they were nice looking for the most part(I see compression artifacts in the CG movies) the mix between CG and the ‘drawn on parchment’ scenes made them feel inconsistent.

      As for the waypoints, they are just checkpoints for solo games. If you die you can use it to get back to your previous location without wasting too much time.

      If all they did was reskin D2 then that is exactly what people would be complaining about. A reskin is also not worth $60.

      • http://twitter.com/AnesthesiaOlogy Josh E

        A lot of people ARE complaining that it’s a re-skin of D2 using the Warcraft engine. It’s D2 without the fun character building and all the extra WoW aesthetics. It really is terrible. When there are so many times you die and the only thing you could have done to avoid it would have been to have better gear, there’s no fun involved. You don’t feel like you accomplished something when you finally win. The endgame was a complete failure (which was somehow a surprise to Blizzard). The entire game is based on repeating the same thirty minutes of content over and over to maybe find something to sell on the auction house to buy more gear so you can run that thirty minutes of content in twenty-nine minutes instead until you eventually have the gear to get through the entire game at which point there’s no more reason to play. The game is based on the AH, which is the worst design of any game I’ve ever played (I’m even including DDO in this one).

  • Avaloner31

    Still, as they said, they made the fastist selling PC game of all time, and a game that sold very well when you consider it as only confined to one platform. I have never played D3 (loved the first two) and don’t intend to, but the game sold well and was also reviewed rather well so noone can say the game totaly sucked. Still I think Blizzard North may have done a better job of it. 

    • Jay

      Large popularity and fan base often lead to great sales more than the actual product.

      Ask Apple… I can’t say the game “totally” sucked, but that’s not saying much.

    • Old Ben

      > they made the fastist selling PC game of all time

      1.2 million of the sales were WoW annual passes (many of which were bought by people who weren’t really interested in Diablo, they just wanted to save some money on their WoW subscription). And “day one” sales include the entire pre-order period, so any game with a long pre-order period (especially if its prequel was popular) will reach high numbers there.

      The game sold well due to marketing and player _expectations_ (resulting from previous games), not due to its actual quality.

      If you want to use sales to evaluate a game’s popularity, see how well it sells a couple of months _after_ release.

    • http://twitter.com/AnesthesiaOlogy Josh E

      As people have said below. Numbers don’t mean anything until well after launch. They’re now three-and-a-half months after launch, and no one plays their game anymore. I’d like to see some monthly active user reports.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/William-Martin/100002438821925 William Martin

    I thought that he gave quite an honest and very polite way of answering the questions. If my child of creation came out like D3 did, Id be a lot more up in arms about it. He gave a lot of credit to Blizz North team more so than himself. I think the Blizz devs that are commenting in return need to quit their bitching. Just because you come from blizzard doesnt mean your shit doesnt stink. Welcome to the real world where everyone drops the ball from time to time, you just happened to drop it on one of the most anticipated games of all time. You only have yourselves to blame.

  • DeckardCainispissed

    I don’t give a GIANT CONCH who is to blame… Whatever you THINK you have done… for me as a fan and a loyal DIABLO game lover… I will tell you what you have done… You and i mean blizzard “earth”…all of you… have turned something i / we loved and enjoyed with our kids our friends and fellow game players around the world into pure  HATE for this sellout abortion of the original. You pat yourselves on the back because you sold more copies than ever before… but i will clue you in on something… you only did that because we trusted you and believed in you without thinking for a second that you would sell us all out… for money… yes it was very stupid of us all to think that in this day and age gamers and game developers would try and transcend the status quo.You killed Deckard Cain… you bastardoz.

  • jayremy

    Difference between Blizzard now and old-Blizzard is a product of Vivendi and the former owners. At least if the old (majority) owners didn’t sell the largest portion of their company out to some foreign media conglomerate to dictate how their company is ran, it could’ve made whatever investors who care nothing more than money very negligible in the decision making. Whatever you want to say about the economics of it I don’t care, they sold out. They people they sold out to don’t give more than two pennies of care about the the fanbase or the merit of the product.

    In case some don’t know Vivendi= Activision.

    • Old Ben

      Blizzard has separate management and even separate accounting from the rest of Activision. Blizzard’s games are designed by Blizzard.

      Activision (and specifically its CEO) is known to be very “pro-sequel”, so you could argue that they pushed for Diablo 3 while Blizzard would have preferred to make a completely new game, but Diablo 3′s development actually started before the Activision merger, and somehow I suspect even Bob Kotick isn’t crazy about releasing a Diablo 4 any time soon..

      The dream that Diablo and WoW would magically become good again if Blizzard’s stock was transferred to some other holder is just that, a dream.

      The problem isn’t the people trading the stock; the problem is the people actually making the games, as this article demonstrates.

  • http://twitter.com/crocodilius ryan phillips

    also, after doing 5 minutes of research that’s not the “Jay Wilson” involved with Diablo3.
    his twitter is AngryRobotics.

    #TheMoreYouKnow

    • http://twitter.com/Gnug315 Jan Bloxham

      What does twitter have to do with anything?

      The pic is from Facebook.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1260066056 Steven Diaz

      I just wanted to make this known…  I’m laughing very hard at you.  So are many other individuals.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/cpjontek cpjontek

    Lol @ Jay Wilson.  His game failed and the creator of the series gave his opinion about it in a fairly PC manner and what does he do?  Says , “Fuck that loser” on Facebook.  I wonder how much longer he will have a job in the gaming industry?

    • MMO_Doubter

      A LONG, LONG time.

      Millions of copies sold. It is not like the suits know shit about games. Just money.

      Jeff Hickman (who screwed up WH Online) is now in charge of SWTOR. He just announced the cash shop will be selling statted gear.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/EFXY32QAPJ5B7M3UIUYE7ZQPZM Xianghua

        Apparently that guy messed up SWTOR too, since they wound up going with the whole free to play thing and all since the game wasn’t as good as hyped.

      • matraque

         Wow, are you crying over someone being able to buy blue gear?

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/cpjontek cpjontek

        Yes he probably will.  Buyer beware?

        • MMO_Doubter

          Yep. Add him to the list.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NOWUW5FFH35ICWA6NIQFSRJFL4 johnn

      Jay Wilson also did work on Dawn of War, which was pretty successful and pretty well reviewed, why would he have a hard time in the gaming industry?

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/cpjontek cpjontek

        That was a rhetorical question.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ITHF7XKYGVXFAPCDMDJTKHLBBU Lian Wan

      because many gamers have short attention span and even shorter memory? Not to mention the fact that most people would not be aware of who is actually the designer for a game.

      • http://twitter.com/AnesthesiaOlogy Josh E

        Except, you know, he has a mob in game named after him that is labeled “Lead Designer”.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/ITHF7XKYGVXFAPCDMDJTKHLBBU Lian Wan

          I was under the impression that he was a rare encounter.

  • Jay

    I’m glad Blizzard lost a lot of its talent… Now we get to play games like Torchlight and Guild Wars.

    I almost feel like I should thank them for turning into a company I want nothing to do with.

    Popularity = Sales =/= Absolute greatness.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      When you have a successful company people with an entrepreneurial spirit leave.  That okay, we need more game companies.  But to make it sound like you were forced out after creating a successful game launch is crap. 

      • Jay

        “When you have a successful company people with an entrepreneurial spirit leave.”

        I don’t necessarily agree with that, or think the situation was that simple. When money clouds the judgment of artistic design, people with higher levels of integrity often leave, perhaps.

        You weren’t there, he was… I’m inclined to take his word over yours.

        • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

          Sorry, just calling a lair a lair.   Why do you think the Blizzard developers are so upset with him.  

          David Brevik was a founder of a game publisher in 1993 and sold the company to Blizzard in 1996.  I’m assuming to get funding to finish Diablo.  Six months later Diablo was released.

          In 2003, he left to establish a new game publisher.  Good for him. 

          But don’t make it sound like Blizzard came in and took Diablo from Blizzard North, the facts show the key employees left and many other left the company on their own.

          D3 is not my game, so I can’t comment on if it’s a piece of crap.  But, I can’t stand liars who try to re-write history.    

          • SickHippie

            Long story short, Blizzard North was disbanded because Brevik wanted to make D3 more like an MMO and Blizzard didn’t want to take away from World of Warcraft.

          • Old Ben

            And they ended up feeding D3 to WoW players as a snack to make them hang around until MoP. Oh, the irony…

          • Jay

            I didn’t take all that from what he said… To me he just said Diablo III wouldn’t have turned out the same if he was in charge of it. Which is true.

            Better or worse? The world will never know.

      • Old Ben

        > When you have a successful company people
        > with an entrepreneurial spirit leave. 

        How’s the weather there in Bizarro world?

  • ssjjr21

    Hey Jay Wilson, if your reading this.  Diablo 3 does suck (to me anyway.) and I’ll tell you why.  The whole point of an ARPG is to grind for gear that you want by running through zergs of mobs and downing bosses, then you and your fellow devs decided to destroy all of that by putting in an AH….. herp derp.  

  • jgelling

    So Blizz employees acting like the trolls and kiddies that infest WoW these days? Seems like the quality of their team has gone WAY down in the Activision days…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/SMGRLFM4UASOO7QO26HTHBLIOI Shawn

    Not surprised, Blizzard is full of arrogant assholes, look at what they do to their fans each expansion. Its a revolving door of slaps in the face.

    • Old Ben

      They should use that quote in the box:

      “Brilliant!” – IGN
      “Groundbreaking!” – Gamespot
      “A revolving door of slaps in the face!” – Shawn

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/YSVAPKVBUPTX6YS3W2DLPOBNN4 AlokP

    I’m confused, I haven’t used FB in a few years – but wasn’t this posted on the personal page of a D3 dev? Wouldn’t it (and all the responses) only be viewable by people who friended this dev? Isn’t it obvious that the opinions on the page are semi-private and among friends?

    It’s not like this was posted on Blizzard or Diablo’s FB. Maybe the dev is at fault for posting personal opinions on a social media page which he’s allowed to be viewable by the public or allowed friend requests from strangers. But the outrage being mocked up here strikes me as similar to my political activist days when people were up-in-arms about Rahm Emmanuel cursing opposition politicians, as if politicians don’t swear ever because they never swear in public speeches. Believe it or not, I bet even Obama and Bush have said “Fuck that loser,” before.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1260066056 Steven Diaz

      No, actually, anyone can see it.  I’m not friends with him and I still see it and he also has subscribers, which means his page is public and has followers. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Willi-Enderle/1668850948 Willi Enderle

    wow … what a bunch of §&$holes

  • http://twitter.com/SilverTaurusPL SilverTaurus

    I dont think many people can realy comment on that. It doesnt seems like just answer to single interview but something much deeper. Dont know if we will ever know whole story behind this. To me its to much out of context.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1260066056 Steven Diaz

      What’s out of context?  It’s really easy to see what’s going on.  There’s no special backstory that isn’t being told.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Hoffman/100000270694726 Andrew Hoffman

    Just saying. The title of this article is stupid, he didn’t ”lash out” on any one. Let’s not over exaggerate… Typical media.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ITHF7XKYGVXFAPCDMDJTKHLBBU Lian Wan

      “F_____ that loser.” close enough.

    • http://allhailgeek.com/ RG Smith

       Yes. This website is becoming the video game version of The Star or some other celeb gossip crap.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Milligan/100002897983906 Jason Milligan

      So if referring to one of the creators of the game in the statement “F*** that loser” when he was asked for his opinion on what’s happened to his creation does not count as lashing out, what would in your mind?  Or are you just shilling for poor professionalism from people that don’t like their work being criticized by the original creator of their work? Just saying…

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1260066056 Steven Diaz

      If his comments weren’t “lashing out”, then what would you classify as lashing out?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kyle-Eggers/100000868131517 Kyle Eggers

    The sad thing is that really I think this reflects Blizzard’s attitude anymore, and the scarey thing is if they talk this way about a former member of Blizzard how to they talk about the customer’s?  Diablo III was the fastest selling PC title yes, but I really feel a lot of that was on the Diablo name or brand?  Diablo II made WoW possible.  I really think that Blizzard I heading down a path that might be not the best.  They lost a million subscription to WoW in three months, the reviews and feedback on D3 haven’t been great.  Maybe these devs need to read the forms the feedback for D3 isn’t good.  I enjoy Diablo III, but I really think that Diablo II was the best of them all.  I liked some things about the first game more then the second and the third also but the second was the best.  i have always thought highly of Blizzard but the company needs to change their attitude.  I will not buy any other EA game because of how they treat their customer’s and I would hate to do that to Blizzard.  They were the good guys when EA started giving me a bad feeling.  This is just scary.

  • http://twitter.com/chimpGodfrey chimp

    I hate Facebook…

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/J4BCTMAZLOX4JKBRP57TYSBEMI Lewis

    crap story

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JD5RIAPTFFZFIF3DCNYVVG7NIQ Kyle Bohannon

    lol, real professional jay wilson. what a tool

  • http://www.facebook.com/billy.joe.39501789 Billy Joe

    Sad. I guess this is what grown men do when they make the fastest selling pc game of all time that flops and lose over a million subs in 3 months. Great job Acti-Blizz, bring on htose pandas. You should be sucking on his jock for giving you Diablo in the first place, ungrateful pricks.

    • Avaloner31

       Diablo 3 floped? LOL what planet do you live on? You do know its not an MMORPG right?

      • http://www.facebook.com/billy.joe.39501789 Billy Joe

        who the hell is still playing D3? its garbage EVERY one is through inferno and maybe 1/1000 people is even making any money of it . No new content. No pvp. Pay to win. need i go on?

        matter O fact, i pity you if your are still playing d3, il buy you a real game hit me up.

        • Daniel Mendez

          I want a new game, I built a new PC when I heard Diablo 3 was coming out and now I’m disappointed beyond belief. ):

        • http://www.facebook.com/neal.reagan Neal Reagan

          I still play D3. And i hear borderlands 2 is coming out, if you wanna grab that one for me ;)

        • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.aktor Thomas Aktor

          I still play D3, but I would like the new guildwars.

  • M H

    The funny thing is that when you read their facebook commits it reads just like most forum posts on sites like MMO Champion that have a hard on for all things Blizzard.  Just wasteful bashing back and forth over petty opinions that in the end just don’t really matter.  I guess community mirrors right along side it’s creators visions and personalities.  To each their own.  I am just glad I managed to jump off the Blizzard fan bus before it eventually drops off the edge of an active volcano.  No bumps or scrapes either. :)

    The cracks begin to show.

  • http://twitter.com/Deadalon Deadalon

    So what did we learn here ?   Not much other than BLizzard fans will defend their crap forever.  Including Jay Wilson and his REAL loosers.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      I still think Jay Wilson posts were stupid.  It’s just everyone is treating David Brevik like he is some kind of saint or prophet.

      • http://twitter.com/Deadalon Deadalon

        I don’t – but at least I give him the credit of beeing part of the orginal Diablo team that made the francies what it was.

        But hey.. Im not the game director that destroyed Diablo francies and still calls the former developers looser with the F word.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R35J5EUERGS3E6JRIQMBCDTRRY Nathan I

        David Brevik was very polite in his critique and constructive too. D3 is mediocre at best because those guys can’t take constructive criticism.

      • Kagitaar

        Jay did not think before typing that or it was meant to be in a less serious tone AND he didn’t think about it. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/noe.buddy.9 Noe Buddy

         In this he is…..he did nothing wrong and said nothing wrong in his interview

  • Sharuko

    David Brevvik how did Hellgate London turn out?

    • http://twitter.com/Deadalon Deadalon

       Liked that game much more than RMAH D3.  It felt like a game at least.

      • Jado Cast

        I liked Hellgate, and so did a lot of other people.  It wasn’t a bad game, and I played Global for a while.  They just launched it way before it was ready, and it was a Graphics Hog.

    • Jay

       Sharuko how did Tera turn out?..

      Sorry, felt so right, lol.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Johnson/1353890372 Michael Johnson

      About as well as trying to log into D3 on launch day

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R35J5EUERGS3E6JRIQMBCDTRRY Nathan I

        if memory serves, it was actually better than D3 launch day

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Johnson/1353890372 Michael Johnson

    They took all of Blizzard Norths hard work.
    Turned it into poorly designed DRM lab rat and than took credit for the fact that they over-hyped it to the point that it sold 5 million in the first 24 hours.

    The only amazing thing about Diablo 3 is it’s marketing. 

    • Sharuko

      Just like Blizzard North’s hard work with Hellgate London. People will hate on D3 but at the end of the day 10 years from now people will be playing D3 just like they are playing D1 and D2.

      • Josh Rosenvelt

        Hellgate London ran out of funding and you probably know this troll. With blizzard losing Blizz north team it didn’t workout for both parties. We now have a shit version of diablo and they didn’t have enough funds to create an incredible game.

      • http://www.facebook.com/noe.buddy.9 Noe Buddy

         Wrong..the only people gonna still be plying it in another 6 months are gold farmers

      • http://www.facebook.com/chrislawrence7 Christopher Lawrence

        Fact: D3 sucks… and I’m being brutally honest, I uninstalled it and threw my box in the trash. I never want to play that POS game ever again. 

  • http://twitter.com/QuietNine Quiet

    From a person who has loved every blizzard game since the first Diablo, Diablo 3 is crap (and MOP aint looking good either), and the review this guy gave was incredibly gracious. They took a great game, a great story, and made it about money. Literally a grindfest to win the loot lottery and sell it on the RMAH. They took the soul of one of the greatest franchises ever made and killed it.

    so this guy says he wouldve done it differently and theyre mad? ANYONE ELSE would have done it differently, done it better than blizzard. blizzard failed hard and should own their mistakes. the game only sold because of the great work in the first two.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z36GPOU3Q2QIQYBIDVNQAVGNGE Raul

      Thanx for typing pretty much what I would’ve.
      +1

    • http://www.facebook.com/noe.buddy.9 Noe Buddy

       My thoughts to the letter

      +1

  • http://profiles.google.com/mourneblade Mark Redrun

    2 things I must point out here, First,  Diablo 3 capitalized on the massive hype built by Blizzard North’s previous games, if this game was called “Generic new blizzard rpg” it would have attracted a couble hundred thousand curious blizzard fanboys and faded out, like Starcraft 2 did.

    And second, talking smack about Hellgate London is cheap, because A) the game is not insane broken and short, B) The game was undermined from every single direction and C) I for once foresee myself installing it again in the future, hell the community brought the game back from the dead with Hellgate Tokyo and London redux, if diablo 3 disappear into oblivion no one will cry.

    • Josh Rosenvelt

      Don’t worry the blizzard fanbois will be out in force buying the instant gratification everyones a winner expansion called MoP and they will be smiling again.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z36GPOU3Q2QIQYBIDVNQAVGNGE Raul

    So let me see if I got this straight:

    Original main dev politely responds to prying interviewer’s obvious agenda.

    New sequel’s main dev (publicly) responds in typical 
    orange county high school over entitled arrogant bean-counter fashion.

    -about a(highly educated) opinion on a game that took 10 years to deliver us:
     
    error 37 and an auction house that was everything a gold farmer ever wanted.

    RIP Deckard Cain.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sarah.rigley Sarah Haynes

    I will never buy another Blizzard game again. I am beyond disgusted by the behavior of the D3 dev team.

    • JariKiv

      I agree completely. Being disappointed in d3, only 1 story in SC2, and gotten completely bored with WoW, this was the final nail in the coffin for me.

      How fast they went from being a flawless company, to this.

  • pc11

    Its pathetic to see “grown up” people act like high school Facebook brats.

    I guess it is no surprise the game is the shit it is. That Jill Harrington girl must have developed her comment skills on youtube.

    Also the brilliant “dont worry you made the fastest selling pc game” yeah because it was the sequel to one of the most loved games ever done which he wasnt a part of. Leeching other peoples work much?

  • http://www.facebook.com/hurza David J Engel

    Thanks alot . the internet will not forget this day

  • http://www.facebook.com/astor.teufel Astor Teufel

    I loved D1 and D2 (inventory hogging relics irritated me to no end though), but D3 just kinda… sucked.  It’s a shame that Blizz has lost it’s professionalism in this regard.  A drunken monkey could’ve made D3 more interesting instead of the repetitive grindfest that it is.  PoS isn’t worthy of the Diablo franchise.   /rant

  • http://www.facebook.com/noe.buddy.9 Noe Buddy

     Yes cause “Fuck that loser” has soo many non serious implications o.O

  • http://www.facebook.com/noe.buddy.9 Noe Buddy

    uh no it isnt it is an arpg

  • http://www.facebook.com/noe.buddy.9 Noe Buddy

     Jay wilson says “fuck that loser.” that isnt lashing out? is that positive feedback?

    • Xellion

      i feel like it is an ironic statement, personal

  • http://www.facebook.com/noe.buddy.9 Noe Buddy

     Long story short, Blizzard North was disbanded because Brevik wanted to
    make D3 more like an MMO and Blizzard didn’t want to take away from
    World of Warcraft.                                       This is an absolute FACT

  • http://www.facebook.com/noe.buddy.9 Noe Buddy

     I dont play SWTOR but hell yeah i would be…wtf is th point of an mmo if you BUY your way to the top? wtf is the point in playing?!?!

  • JJversion1

    David Brevik’s critique was very polite and I don’t understand D3′s dev team’s response, D3 was criticized by others in a much harsher manner. It’s sad really, I understand that things change, and that also applies to games, and getting upset at having something that you worked very hard on being bashed on is normal; because it doesn’t measure up to many ppls expectations; but that’s all part of the job. It comes with the territory, they should’ve just taken their lumps and tried better next time. This behavior, however, is what the public got and it’s unacceptable.

  • Sharuko

    If it wasn’t for “Blizzard South”, Diablo wouldn’t be close to a success as it is today and wouldn’t even exist today.  Blizzard North wanted to make Diablo based on claymation with turn based combat, without Blizzard’s ideas and funding it would have been another Hellgate London.

  • Xellion

    lol, in such denial.

    i dont care where Diablo would be today, but D3 is a train wreck, and its something that these losers have to acknowledge.

    if they dont get the fact that D3 is a poor D2 clone with no end game and boring gameplay, then they cant very well make a good Expansion.

    these people are acting like children, its sad.

  • http://twitter.com/Oden667 Oisin Connaughton

    I was one of the few people that actually defended D3 cos I genuinely enjoyed the game. I even forgave the lack of endgame and other faults cos i was overall happy with the product. But now when I look at this, I realize that Blizzard really are assholes. Calling the creator of the franchise a loser and telling him to fuck off? Not cool. I was already losing faith in Blizzard when they announced Pandaland but this is just stupid. .

  • http://twitter.com/Graymarch Graymarch

    Lets agree that they’re being both idiots, that is then one of them turned from an idiot into an ass…. then he spews forth a comment on facebook…..childish its like at a playground where the bully beats up the child with less friends then goes around the whole school telling everyone he has beaten him up. Then he goes on and on about it for years to come….. eventually and hopefully he will change his mood and stop being such an arse it was an opinion. 

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EHNYCUFE33GGX2SBX2LRFJOXBY demonslayer122

    Brevik may have made Hellgate: London, but i think your all forgetting he also made D1, D2. I’d rather be responsible for two of the greatest PC games ever than this piece of shit known as D3 and Cataclysm.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z36GPOU3Q2QIQYBIDVNQAVGNGE Raul

    “at some point, Elvis became an Elvis impersonator”

    -Exene Cervenka

    ….how I feel about Blizzard south.

  • http://twitter.com/Hengman14 Chettra Heng

    Now that Blizzard has destroyed the Diablo legacy with the crap they released in D3, lets see if they can make Diablo 4 sell just as well. Highly, HIGHLY, doubt it.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/I4JAZKBGLVEDL5TOSG7K6HCYRA M

    Hellgate was ahead of its time in terms of graphics- it was buggy because existing computer hardware simply could not handle the engine. Game itself was pretty cool BUT didn’t have the funding to be anything noteworthy. Flagship took a chance by going all in and it flopped without proper support (due to lack of funds). All that said, what’s D3′s excuse for sucking so hard?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ITHF7XKYGVXFAPCDMDJTKHLBBU Lian Wan

      Flagship seemed to have made a similar mistake to 38Studios. Both were new studios trying to make 2 games at the same time with a budget that might have been insufficient even for 1 game.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z36GPOU3Q2QIQYBIDVNQAVGNGE Raul

    “Gotta say, that Jay Wilson, never having been at Blizzard for D1 and D2 and never having met Dave Brevik, has no place to say what he did.”

    “Dave Brevik created 2 genre-busting, award winning, world-loved Diablo games. Jay Wilson has done ____ with Diablo 3. Fill in the blanks.”

    “Blizzard arrogance has reached new heights.”

    -Mark Kern, CEO of Red5

    My Hero.

  • Eaker82

    Even more reason to hate Blizzard. Brevik was pretty nice about it. No wonder Blizzard makes games for the kids they are kids themselves.

  • http://www.facebook.com/christopher.m.stahler Christopher Mark Stahler

    I’m sorry that the game you made was a piece of ****? Fastest selling PoS! Be proud!  Go cry some more on Fb about the game you ruined while insulting the man who made it amazing.

  • http://twitter.com/JamesFristik James Fristik

    If Diablo 3 wasn’t free with your Annual Pass, it’d have never been played by so many people. I teeter with it here and there, but it doesn’t keep me focused on just wanting to play that game. While the tone of this message was slighting the game makers, their comments only go to prove they dismiss criticism, especially one that helped pioneer a game they had a chance to continue working with. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1598094377 Jason Litzau

    Dear Andrew Silvernail, how nice to see your memory, is as selective, as your game is crappy. 

    You should also add these games to your list of things Brevik created:
    Diablo
    Diablo 2

    You see, the irony, is that you’re accusing Brevik of never making anything successful, while remarking how quickly your game sold. All while ignoring the fact, that it sold entirely on the reputation created by Brevik and Blizzard North!

    What do you have? DIABLO 3. Which is a giant, hulking piece of disappointment and missed opportunities, that put the player last. Fueled entirely by greed and joyless nerfing, all in the interest of hobbling people into your asinine RMAH.

    Very telling of Blizzard’s goals, as far as game design, to consider fast sales more important than customer satisfaction. That seems to be a theme for Blizzard these days.

    The great thing about TL2, is that it proves that just because Blizzard fancies themselves the “rock stars” of the gaming world, and have literally BILLIONS of dollars and tons of manpower, they still can’t make a game, as good as a fraction of the people, and a much smaller budget.

    Because Brevik made a game for gamers. A game made for fun, first.
    YOU assholes, made a game for shareholders. A game made for fun, last.

    Upset about the criticism? Good! You deserve it. You deserve to be sad, and angry. How do you think your players felt?

    Oh, and if this is how you react to a fellow developer, who didn’t insult you in the least? I can only imagine the shit your team, and the rest of Blizzard, sling at your fanbase behind closed doors. 

    How anyone can defend your nasty, arrogant, greedy company at this point, is beyond me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Filipe-Isabelinho/100000173498272 Filipe Isabelinho

    Some people confuse “fastest selling” with “good game”. Get it through your THICK SKULLS, it’s not a synonym!

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