In particular I want to say THANK YOU to Richie P for being accurate and truthful about how long it actually takes to get to the upper levels of the HoM.     It’s good to see a realistic
perspective of someone who hasn’t been playing for years.   I’ve been working on the HoM as well and I agree completely with what you said.   30 points is a lot of work!  I wish that kind of realistic perspective was more widespread around the GW1 community. 

GW1 does hold up in terms of story and art but it was great to hear your warning that it is a very different game that should not be used to judge GW2.  

Getting past the starting levels of the HoM is not a trivial undertaking, it will take *work*. 
A great amount of work and homework.   And maybe that’s the way ArenaNet meant HoM to work.

It was interesting to hear people who played EQ looking forward to GW2.  I hated old
school MMOs, I mean I really grew to hate them.  Yet I’m looking forward to GW2 as well.  
That may be the most absolutely brilliant thing about GW2.  It may be a game that could bring together previous MMO players, people who avoided MMOs like the plague and people who
have never played an MMO and have all of them enjoy the game.   And that is something no MMO has ever done. 

Mike O’Brien said is best.   If you love MMOs, you need to play GW2.  If you hate MMOs you really need to play GW2

4 months or 10 months is STILL “month after month”.    I see nothing in your replies even admitting what you said or that as a GW1 vet , your original statements were misleading and inaccurate.    Which has been the whole POINT I have been making.  Thank you for proving it.  

I am done with this conversation.   I will not bother replying again because there is no purpose in trying to discuss anything with someone who changes their claims and seems completely oblivious to the fact they are doing it.      Any point that is made to you is pointless because you will simply change whatever you claim at a whim.    I have been consistent in my points and never needed to change them and you have only proved them.     This discussion is over.

and he really started working on it after I send him the link to a GW2 video from GC 2011 4 month ago… I told him there was a HoM in the game 10 Month ago…he wasn’t interested, because he wasn’t interested in GW2 at that time.

This ”This is not about your gaming history” was a reply to that ”Always emphasize the learning curve and knowledge required simply doing campaigns in GW1” there is practically none… you can complete the entire game without ever touchung ”Runes” or ”builds”
my friend is running a smite/healer… and he made it to 28 now anywas… (2 month work now with less then 2h/day and 5day/week)

You contradict yourself and yet continue to make no acknowlegement of it.   Let me repeat your *exact* quotes from previous posts.

“I would say 30 is doable even without grinding/farming.”

But when it comes to the actual math, you change your story and say you can only get to 21 without grinding.

Another *exact* quote:

“I would not say it will take you month after month but it will defenetly take long…”

And then you condratict youself again saying it took a friend 10 months to work their way up the HoM.   You have *never* given any example of anyone who didn’t take “month after month” of work to get anywhere near 30 much less 50 in the HoM.   And you won’t because your original statement is inaccurate and wrong. 
 
You’ve demonstrated my point.    GW1 vets too often make inaccurate statments about the effort required and it seems that they don’t even acknowledge it when they do. 

I am done with this discussion.   There’s no point in the face of these continuing contradictions.

And as I said by going through it you will most likely allready have 15-18 points on you HoM. then the ”endgame” comes into play if you enjoyed the game and you are willing to go on you will find something you like doing and because of the reward system you will most likely get rewarded with a tile for that. if you have completed some of this endgame you will now have about 21 points. and there is still much to do…

Don’t forget that I once was a new player, too.
and I was 13 years old at that time…
I was able to go trough the missions with any build and NO experience in MMO’s whatsoever…
in the first missions I could basically faceroll my keyboard (which perhaps I did beeing 13 year old and the only games I played before were Age Of Empires and Stronghold)
I learned the mechanics of the Game pretty quickly and I did not have a official Guildwiki or any experienced help (because no one was experienced at that time)
of course the missions get harder with the campaigns but the player also gets better with them.

yes the game is complex but it’s still not impossible to get a good HoM score…
I also did not say everyone has to get to 30 points… all im saying is that, if you are willing to put enough time and effort in the game you will get to 30/50 without hating the game…

I got to 50/50 and the only time I really hated doing stuff was at 49/50 when the end was so close but further away then any time before because only the hardest to obtain titles where left.
Believe me this one point took me just as much effort as it took you to get to18.

This in waht im talking about… people that are willing to put just as much effort in the game as I do (and if you like the game you can clearly do that without being a veteran player) there (just saying a friend of mine only played for 2 years and is now 1 max title away from 50/50 1 month after me how played the game for 7 years now) and this Friend knew nothing about the HoM and what it is untill I told him like 10 month ago.

Oh and none of these weekend events are required for any of the HoM stuff, they just make getting certain titles faster.

You don’t deny your friend needed to do research and gain significant knowledge of GW1′s mechanics?  Do you want to bet now that he understands about insignias and spike damage and inscriptions and interrupts and all of the other less-than-intuitive game systems in GW1?  Systems which are never explained in the game but rather have to be learned from community sites?   And yet I notice that you don’t even mention that.   You make it sound like he and his friend just waltzed through to 21 HoM points all by themselves without any help and no grinding.

I wonder how many missions they had to do over.  I wonder how often they had to run through some zone repeatedly until they got the right build or tactics or whatever.  I wonder how much grind you’re trying to hide in your numbers.    Actually I don’t have to wonder, I’ve have about that many HoM points and I know exactly how inaccurate your claims are of ‘no grinding’.    Maybe you don’t think of it as the hardcore grinding for some of the more obscure titles, but it’s still grinding.  

And they had help.  It was the entire GW1 community and its knowledge base.   And anyone who wants to go any distance in the HoM had better be prepared to dive into it.   Just completing the campaigns requires that.     
Be honest about the effort needed.    Always emphasize the learning curve and knowledge required.   Just because it’s second nature to you doesn’t mean it is so for other people.

Is it possible that it will be an industry changing game? Very possible to be sure. I will reserve my true judgement upon playing it. It is my hope that I will feel the immersion and fun I felt all those years ago with the advent of WoW.

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