Legendary 80: Blizzard Talks PvP For Mists Of Pandaria

Written by: (Twitter @jarimor - ) | June 16, 2012 11:00 am

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They’re baaack!

We welcome back the Legendary crew to take a look at some interesting developments in World of Warcaft.

Tom Chilton wants to put the war back into Warcraft — sounds good to me — and gives courage to those who weep fondly at the memory of ransacking Southshore. Ah, those were the days. Sniff.

There’s also new battlegrounds coming and the guys mull over just which one is the most RBG friendly.

Is Kotmogu the new Black Garden?

If you have been one of those frothing at the mouth because your class isn’t getting a legendary weapon, then it seems your worries are over. It looks like there’ll be a legendary usable by every class. Yay?

Though if it’s a bit too legendary for your guild’s raiding capability — or your patience — maybe your gold reserve is just the right size, with the items that have been popping up on the black market it’s difficult to count anything out.

Chinese and Korea begins a “gaming environment optimization program.” The guys translate that bit of PR-speak and talk about just what it means for Blizzard.

Throw in a seriously cranky Ms. Proudmoore and your viewer questions and there’s a lot to cover. Join Gary Gannon, Mike B aka Fony and Josh “Lore” Allen for this week’s winner-takes-all edition of Legendary.

Legendary 80: Blizzard Talks PvP For Mists Of Pandaria

  • Jay

    LMAO dat yellow dress!

    Griefer strikes again…

  • http://twitter.com/Virg_Ilio Virg_Ilio

    Lore, there is a button hidden very well in WoW’s user interface, it’s called Unsubscribe. It’s kinda like rerolling but it gives your life a new perspective. I seriously recommend you using it when the game starts to lose its meaning.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Longtut Sharmake Mohamed

    poor mikeS

  • http://twitter.com/Luke_Malcolm Luke Malcolm

    Great as always, very funny & entertaining

  • http://twitter.com/Deadalon Deadalon

    Everyone should know WHY Black market is put into WOW.  It will be used for the Battlenet account real money.  Its only matter of time.

    Diablo 3 has been DESTROYED as a game because of RMAH and pure greed.  The game is directly suffering because of it.  Just go to TwitchTV and see what ppl are doing.  They are not PLAYING a game.  Far far far from it.

    The exact same thing will happen to WOW.  BLizzard obviously has a long term plan to let their game ONLY be about real money.  Diablo 3 was a big step and just like with real money mounts and pets in WOW – they whill slowly put items on sale. 

    Im discusted to see what D3 has been turned into.  WOW will go the same way.  It will make them money but it is also hurting the TRUE gaming – turning it into really really sad things that have nothing to do with enjoying a game.

    BLizzard has lost it cause they have let the REAL gamers down.  And the Bigger you are … the harder you fall.   Games should NEVER be about Real money.  Its sick.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      D3 got a black-eye because the Blizzard Battlenet team is terrible and couldn’t handle 6m in sales.

      • http://twitter.com/Deadalon Deadalon

         No D3 is JUSt starting to get a black eye  now when Blizzard is nerfing drop rates and gold drops every single day to make more money in RMAH.  Its sick.

      • Warfox Mihomiti

        Any other company would have taken months to stabilize their servers after a hit like that. Only Blizzard could have had them up and running acceptably in under two weeks.

    • Old Ben

      > Everyone should know WHY Black market is put into WOW.

      To be perfectly honest, no one knows why anything since the release of WotLK was put into the game. Starting with the people who put them there.

    • Warfox Mihomiti

      Diablo was always about real money. The illegal sale of items in Diablo is still happening outside of the RMAH because Blizzard limits the maximum value that can be placed on an item. All they’re doing is bringing a market that existed in the shadows partially into their control, where they can do their best to protect the account security of their customers and allow them to buy and sell safely. If you think that doesn’t cost a ton of money to maintain that security and customer support, you’re crazy. Yes, Blizzard is making a profit on this, but they’re also spending money on maintaining it, and the game’s servers, and people are being worked hard to do it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=747725054 Carlos Navarretti

    Legendaries should be weapons that drop off the last boss of the expansion (not counting the heroic bonus boss) so it doesn’t have such an impact on raiding and you still get to see this flavor absurdly powerful weapon to pwn in BGs with and keep yourself interested before the next x-pack

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Johnson/1353890372 Michael Johnson

    Oh god, that fuckin dress

  • http://twitter.com/rckzter Thomas Herbst

    Lore is so maaad.
     

  • Joao Takada

    gratis

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Karl-Thysell/601969471 Karl Thysell

    Totaly dont hate the PvP server changes but aslong they have the payed char transfer i am pritty stuck on my pvp server and dont wanna play on it if they change this yea i can pay but got 10 85s and dont wanna think about how mutch it will cost to transfer them all + im a student so dont have the money to spend on this

    • http://twitter.com/Luke_Malcolm Luke Malcolm

      $250

  • http://www.facebook.com/Deemo91 Matthew O’Neill

    The black market auction house kinda undermines the “we don’t want people buying gold” policy they have. If somebody sees something and they want it badly enough, they will buy gold to get it

  • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

    The black market just bring out of the shadows the selling of heroic raid runs with gold purchase of certain heroic item drops. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/peter.holzberger.1 Peter Holzberger

    Their entire dismount discussion just reminded me of sitting around Naxx in Wotlk as a mage or druid and dismounting horde with blast wave or tsunami, then slow falling or flight forming away as they fell to their death.

  • http://www.facebook.com/peter.holzberger.1 Peter Holzberger

    Also the entire  dropping items on death discussion was interesting, but there’s no way it would work with WoW just by how the game is designed. Leave that stuff to old school RuneScape Pkers, man that was a long time ago…

  • http://www.facebook.com/atlifreyr.bjarnason Atli Freyr Bjarnason

    I hate that clap track please stop using it. Otherwise great show!

    • iamthemikeb

      *starts slow clap*

    • http://twitter.com/DaveBigger Dave

       I agree the clap thing is played out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TechCamacho David Camacho

    Best use of “Sounds like what I did last night” ever.

  • http://twitter.com/MoXszemere Maarten Vergeer

    Server merges =/= Blizzrad losing subs. Dead realms have existed since WotLK, when WoW was on it’s prime. Gary, get your shit straight, those realms need to be gone, they suck balls, and realm merges are needed badly. Cross realm realms aren’t helping one little bit in that respect.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      Will be interesting to see if cross realm zones work.  If Blizzard can really get players out of the cities, the cross realm zones should be full.

    • http://twitter.com/Luke_Malcolm Luke Malcolm

      There are dead servers I do agree, but thats like 6 – 10 maybe, the rest are always Medium or High or Full. Ya they should close those cause they will still have over 200 servers anyway.

  • Krzysztof Kotarba

    I love world pvp and ganking, this is the one thing I will miss in GW2. PvE carebares get off PvP servers…
    Looting playes… for what, soulbound item you can’t even use/sell?
    In warhammer online you get all names of killed players.
    In PvP doesn’t matter how you get gear, only ratting matters.

  • Deffizzle

    Legendary’s are bad for the game an guilds. No matter what guildy gets the legendary your always are goi g to piss someone off and whats the point if having a player or two doing uber heals or.dmg raiding is a team sport duh

  • http://twitter.com/Nin3r Richard Martin

    MikeB’s sense of humor is the best!

  • Damir Miric

    I always get so many ideas to comment on stuff said on the show. But by the time it ends I forget everything. 

    I’ll only say that gear thread mill should be gone from wow.

  • http://twitter.com/DeusZackiz Zackiz

    I dunno, sometimes it just feels like you guys don’t want to talk about the topics. Constant interruptions with random nonsense. Its like someone trying to tell a joke 50 times. Ye, its fun the first time, maybe even the time after that, but it gets old really fast. Much more interesting to listen to the show if you stay more on topic.

    Otherwise, you have interesting things to say about the topics you talk about. I’m a long-time listener(since the start) but now I just really felt that I needed to get this said.

  • http://twitter.com/crocodilius ryan phillips

    ive tried to get that phoenix mount for 2 fuckin years,
    if by the hand of Hellscream i can outbid someone someday
    for it…hell ya son.
    gotta stop being butt hurt because you can’t outbid people
    who are sick are jumping through hoops.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MRBJGLH64MFCT5W6PAOAGK7PZE Scott

    Upgradeable guards @ certain quest hubs or major cities. Give the low levels a way to fight back :

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MRBJGLH64MFCT5W6PAOAGK7PZE Scott

    Create a new equipment slot that will drop on death.  The longer you survive with it the more powerful it becomes? or the more upgradeable it becomes?  Possible upgrades would be put in a random spot on the world where they could attack/defend.  Maybe only open it during certain weeks ala darkmoon faire.

  • http://twitter.com/Carnwenhau Michael

    Everquest you could loot one thing and get there money and it had thousands of people on PvP servers

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hidde-van-Baast/100003116456856 Hidde van Baast

    Gladiator isn’t the only thing that doesn’t get account wide in current beta. Some mounts aren’t account wide either. Class specific mounts aren’t account wide. Big gold sink mounts (tundra mammoth, chopper, vial of sands, hodir mammoths) aren’t account wide.

  • H S

    WoW has been pay to win for a long time lore, get over it. 

    • Old Ben

      It’s worse than that. You even have to pay to lose! ;-)

  • http://www.facebook.com/elias.rowan Elias Rowan

    I don’t know what it was but this show really made it solid for me how over WoW I am.

    Bleh.

    • http://twitter.com/Cardonwow Derp

      Yeah, I am so over WoW as well. I haven’t been playing it for over a year now. However, I will never stop watching this show, as it’s fun to follow the game and watch personalities banter over it. :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/lpeace.88 Leo Lamphier

    I would like to see the guard nerf on all realms. I play on PvE server and can get the black bear because I can’t get a good group together. People fight for one two deaths and drop.

  • Alive_01

    starting to doubt wether GG even plays WoW,  ” slamming a button trying to stay alive” in world pvp?, its more like get steam rolled and lose a weapon you farmed for weeks for.. also lay off annoying youtube vids and annoying crowd noise.

  • Alive_01

    think ill go watch my netflix that ive had for years so i dont get trolled with crappy youtube filler. . .

  • http://www.facebook.com/tim.whitehead1 Tim Ginger Panda Whitehead

    That smegging applause track!
    PvP, PvP, PvP gah really is that the best Blizzard can come up with for an expansion? Maybe it’s a good thing I stopped playing already, come the expansion pack release I won’t feel the need to actually buy it!
    So far my experience of open world PvP (I have been playing since the EU release of WoW Classic) has been high level players ganking in low level zones, groups of equal or higher level player in a group ganking solo players in zones (STV used to be impossible on the PvP server I was playing on) So Blizzard can keep their world PvP as far as I am concerned.

  • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

    Yeah, I dont think GG has a WoW character above 50, Rift character above 20, SWTOR character above 30 or GW2 Beta character above 10.

    • http://twitter.com/Luke_Malcolm Luke Malcolm

      I think Gary is way to busy with Gamebreaker stuff to even play games.

      • sc0tb0t

         exactly. at least not to the extent that a lot of people are able to.

    • sc0tb0t

       does it matter? if thats the case it just means he has a different perspective on mmo gaming than other people on the show, which helps him ask questions and keep the show rolling.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kyle-Bohannon/1429322817 Kyle Bohannon

    are you guys discussing player versus player combat?

  • http://twitter.com/videobuzzard David Manchester

    I dont see the problem with BiS gear being on the RMAH its going to be very expensive and next to impossible for somebody to collect a set of gear. I dont see how its any different to people paying to go on runs.

    I agree on Legendary items though they just make whoever gets them way too vital to guild progression.

  • http://twitter.com/Fitzlock Mark Atkinson

    Why does GG always have to fucking interrupt every discussion with stupid ass music? It’s not funny. It’s not clever. Fuck off. God.

    • sc0tb0t

      hahahah your an idiot. God.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000804921688 Michael Z Lively

    Would be nice if you toned down the random music interruptions/segways.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000804921688 Michael Z Lively

    I hope he doesn’t play it… Needs to go F2P or die already.

  • http://www.facebook.com/zearucard Piotr Łożyński

    Cause GG is not funny in general but he is always trying really hard. Lore is obviously right in the subject.

  • http://twitter.com/justQQing Brian Day

    its cuz when wow kills itself pvp will be the only thing left to do no more pve no more raids game over ………………..

  • http://twitter.com/lornetc Lorne TC

    I don’t have a problem with mounts and old gear sets that you can’t get anymore being available on the black market AH (as long as the old gear has no stats and is for transmog), but gear from current tier raids shouldn’t be on there it feels very wrong to me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jordan-Epp/870675623 Jordan Epp

    GG is there to keep it light, to many cry baby bitches posting under this video about the off subject fun, AS much as GG takes it away from subject, he pulls it back to subject. If you dont like the way Legendary is run, you should probably go make your own show, and try to keep a a familiar group of friends completely on subject at all times. Good luck. And another great episode GG, Lore, MikeB, thanks.

  • stresstest

    lol Gary really gotta Drop the Player Looting in World of warcraft… The way the game is designed, it just cant happen unless you make a Loot table for players you kill, giving you something random.

  • http://twitter.com/Leithian Duane Lee Hampson

    if there is no bow/gun hunters will be sol for legendary as they took away the melee combat slot for hunters by what I saw on the test realm

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=575571931 Ryan Campbell

    Not having the Old PVP ladder really killed all incentive to world pvp. A similar system (revamped) would be kinda neat to see.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vic-Coleman/100000230803712 Vic Coleman

    If it weren’t for how awesome MikeB and Lore, I would not watch this show. Garry just kills so many jokes and so many good things

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=575571931 Ryan Campbell

    Also Jaina was all like BRUSH YOUR TEETH  http://youtu.be/gNqiSkd1M6k

  • http://twitter.com/cipero Matt Cipriano

    Yes. IT is crossing the line. Now blizzard is taking all of those jackasses that do nothing but camp the auction house all day and night undercutting you as soon as you post anything and saying, “here..have some BiS gear. We know you are the only people besides those who buy gold illegally that are going to be able to pay hundreds of thousand of gold for items because you earned all that gold by making everyone who isn’t an AH camper’s life a living hell, and also because we suck at designing our crafting professions and give them very little variety so it’s easy to stock up on the only thing in that profession that sells and keep the prices at a point where no one else can sell them and make a profit! WE LOVE YOU PEOPLE! HERE IZ REWARDZ!”

    God damnit blizzard…

  • http://www.facebook.com/hpasterski Holly Pasterski

    Another great show guys. I’m looking forward to this Life/Death grip of players off their flying mounts.  Poor Lore looked like we was ready to flip some tables.

  • Topi Tuulensuu

    It just shows so clearly that Gary doesn’t play WoW (or at least not a lot) the whole thing with looting gear is just stupid, say you grind month for an item (raiding or arenas) and then someone just steals your weapon and if you are melee now you are useless. If anyone wanted to take the game seriously they couldn’t really leave main cities since they could just get ganged on and lose all their items before they can hearthstone out.

    Just think how stupid it would be, your gear consist of what? 14 items, say you get ganked by 3 people, there is nothing you can do by yourself if they get you down the first time, they steal your weapon and if you don’t have extra weapon your damage out put is exactly zero and from then on they will just steal rest of your gear, GG.

    I agree this would be a nice in a game that’s build around this mechanism, but never in WoW.

  • sc0tb0t

     I agree with you and what lore said. The game would probably have to be built around this from the start to make it work. I think adding a “hardcore pvp server” would feel tacky.  WoW just doesn’t feel like the kind of game that would adapt to this kind of playstyle well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1094283426 Connor Grogan

    Oh thanks blizz.. nerf typhoon for us druids.. give EVERYONE a dismount.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      Woot, with WoW 5.0 all druids can select Typhoon.

    • Topi Tuulensuu

      What are you crying about? You want that only Druids can drop people without risking their lives? That’s just childish as hell.

      Also if we are talking about same “nerf” it’s been 2 fucking years, get over it.

  • KingCobra89

    thats fucked up that mike b had to deal with looking at that embarrassing pic the whole time i woulda raged lmao,,,

  • KingCobra89

    Mike B tighten up ma brotha

  • KingCobra89

    Mike B tighten up ma nig no mo faulty pics

  • KingCobra89

    Mike B Tighten up ma nig

  • http://twitter.com/SouthJaxBeach SouthJaxBeach

    Thank you for saying gif (Jiff) correctly :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/JFluffy James Watts

    Legendary food buff, problem solved.

  • evollove19

    Cool Down on flying
    30min flightsickness debuff
    pay a npc healer to remove it debuff timer can start as soon as you mount a flyng mount, or as soon as you demount

  • Guest

    Mop is bringing nothing new to the table it is the same thing we the players have been doing over the past few years. there is a  total of 8 new zones  1 of them being the starting zone for lvl 1 to 10.so veteran players only got 7 zones for leveling n once we hit max level those zones will be obsolete and the time n effort blizz has put into the zones r wasted.blizz needs the really come up with something tht makes better use of the zones rather then just questing and leveling .all i am seeing is we are going back to square one …… rather than moving forward ooo let the gear grind start all over  again am i the only one who fells like its Deja Vu ?? rofl.pvp is kind of dead cos there r no new maps n this expansion blizz r adding only 2, that is just sad to be honest. blizz is putting there time n efforts where its not needed aka pet battles i think they should have   worked on making new bgs maps and bringing some life back world pvp which has been dead for ages,arena Rbg’s same thing farm conquest points for gear Grind yay awesome. blizz has to innovate we all know the people in the company has talent n passion to make something amazing but nothing great has come out of the blizz camp for ages. At the end of the day it comes down to is there enough content there for us whn we hit max lvl n we have cleared the raids on normal n Heroic  got BIS gear for our class and maxed out our rep faction n profession.

    options we r left with  pet battle system and Scenarios.Scenarios rofl Scenarios are nothing new we have all done them at some point in time  we have come across a few while leveling in wrath n cata . Scenarios aka pre launch events. wotlk we had the scourge invasion. TBC dark portal opening event lord kazzak. cata the elemental invasion
    Liberation of Gnomeregan and Zelazane’s Fall. rather them being in the open world they will be instanced. n these events did not require you to have the normal requirements of a dungeon, I.E. Tanks/Healers.
     
     5 yrs of raiding n pvping in wow and u only can take so ………..much  doing the same thing over n over  over n over n over only reason we stuck for this long cos of friends n guildies and the fun we have playing together.

    Another great show guys was a total blast .

  • http://twitter.com/HDani13 Daniel Carvalho

    man fucking garys trolling is way too much

  • Hearthless

    I am sorry if you dislike the black market auction house. I’m not sure if I had any influence on this…
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3941415683

  • Hearthless

     I’m not sure if I had any influence on the black market auction house.

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3941415683

  • Kevin Murphy

    As far as world PvP goes I agree that the general population wouldn’t support being able to loot enemy gear. I do think however that people would find it cool to be able to loot quest items during gathering quests. So if both Horde and Alliance have the “!Get some rocks” quest in the same area people are going to be fighting anyway because they’ll see each other. I think this could get in the way of people’s questing experience unless you could also complete the quest by PvP’ing. If an enemy grabs the rock before I can I could always kill him and take it back. I think this would be fun as long as you could only loot 1 or 2 of the total stack someone has. This would prevent undergeared players from having to start from scratch all the time.

  • http://twitter.com/TCC180 Adam Stachowiak

    I say if they kill you in world PvP they should take half of the gold you currently have. taking full items is a bit too far (unless they’re maybe just taking stuff like mats or whatever… though I guess they wouldn’t be able to take soulbound stuff anyway.) I also like the “slayer of…”, and other title ideas.

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