Legendary: Spoilers!

Written by: Scott Hawkes (@jarimor) | March 22, 2012 7:49 am

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You want the Mists of Pandaria press event brought to you?

This week the crew doesn’t just give you the lowdown on Blizzard‘s MoP soiree, they break Legendary’s record for creating a colossal show of unprecedented proportions.

Everything you could think to ask is already answered by our team of experts in all things World of Warcraft, even some things you didn’t want to know — hint: if you haven’t watched Star Wars or Avatar, beware spoilers!

We were there, we were hands on and we were world-first (twice) for the unveiling of WoW‘s next chapter of adventure. So sit back and get ready for a mushroom cloud of MoP on your monitor.

Josh Allen aka Lore, Mike B aka Fony, and host Mike Schaffnit chop down the bamboo and bring you this record-breaking Legendary!

Breaking: For further information on the upcoming beta for Mists of Pandaria, click below.

World of Warcraft

Patch 5.3 Release Date Confirmed

Patch 5.3 Release Date Is Confirmed By Blizzard on TwitterRead more »

53 comments
1:22:33

World of Warcraft

Legendary Ep126:
Raiding Ra-Den Revelations!

This week the Legendary crew are talking patch 5.3, raiding, and more with World First raider Treckie!Read more »

23 comments
45:25

Guild Wars 2

GuildCast Ep71:
Blue Flowers

The Secret of Southsun update has arrived, a Guild Wars 2 expansion has been confirmed, and more.Read more »

27 comments

http://www.facebook.com/kasuturo Juan Castro Martínez

I miss Gary
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Vic-Coleman/100000230803712 Vic Coleman
  
  I don’t.
  - Glen Gratto
    
    i do
    - Jimmi Johansson
      
      I do to
      - pc11
        
        I don’t
      - John Hurry
        
        NO ONE MISSES GARY
http://twitter.com/Raktiv_ Erlot

nooo where is gary
Coalprin

Gary or not, glad y’all were able to actually get this out.
- http://twitter.com/c3o5nnect J
  
  yah, the live show was a disaster, lol… kinda funny, but sucks that it was shut down.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Joao-Vicente/100000881627920 João Vicente

Chatroom also loves you Gary ♥!
Sharuko

You won’t see race remodels during all of MoP. Blizzard is extremely good at promising these things, and then dragging them out forever. Things like the dance studio. It might happen but won’t happen during MoP.
- Nick Ratcliffe
  
  Boy, I can’t wait to see my 8-bit character model in the beautiful Pandaria landscapes.
Nick Ratcliffe

And THIS is why I’m a monthly donator. Keep on keepin’ on, gentlemen.
MMO_Doubter

THAT is not a panda. It is a girl in a furry costume.
H S

WoW is going to show Swtor how it’s done, and almost with one hand tied behind it’s back, they will do it with Panda’s. Next years headline “Kung Fu Panda pwns Darthlagger”

Oh and guys, if you really wanted to date furry women, you missed the boat, the 70′s are over.
Krzysztof Kotarba

each helloween event there was huge war in scarlet that was amazing, then LFG drops – meh… everyone wants story now, wow is too old to comptete with swtor storytelling, wow is too old to get dynamic events… wow is old dog… tbh i don’t really think i will ever go back to wow.
Imo this whole sha and things are kinda lame… you defeat evil energy with fighting, it’s like war for peace… The best story was in LK expansion. Many changes looks like “borrowed” from guild wars 2.
GW2 is the place to go.
- http://twitter.com/Shaniaxx Shania
  
  Eliminating enemy is only way to archive peace.
http://www.facebook.com/lpeace.88 Leo Lamphier

I skipped Scholomance one like my first four toons and after Cata I made a rogue and got Scholo and I was like how did I miss this?? I was so cool BUT it was a hell of a maze. >.<
http://profile.yahoo.com/BNZNK36YTHI7VW3ERKMXXQO5PQ Orestus

I really wish these would be posted in a more timely fashion. I can never make the live cast. They used to past them the next day almost like clockwork. Now we have had to wait 2 and even 3 days my “Legendary” fix. I love you guys, have donated and would just like you fellers to get back to your original “Have live cast, post next day” formula.
- Bryan Woolsey
  
  This particular episode they had some problems with the studio’s internet, so there was actually no live cast. The show was also going to be with Gary, but obviously Gary was unable to do it the next day.
  
  Anyway, they recorded offline and then uploaded the next day. Plus if you have ever tried to render and upload a 2+ hour video, it isn’t exactly a speedy process.
http://twitter.com/Hoigwai Hoigwai

At least you guys could finally get this in the can.
Ordrinth

I was under the impression you only used the charm in LFR raids which work different (loot wise) then Normal or Heroic raids.
Ordrinth

I was under the impression that the charms were only going to be used in the LFR difficulty, not the normal or heroic. So their impact on hardcore raids wouldn’t be that significant.
Ordrinth

I was under the impression that the charms would only be used in LFR difficulty, and not nomral or heroic difficulty. So their importance to hardcore raids would be insignificant.
- http://twitter.com/devolore Josh Allen
  
  Check my interview with Ghostcrawler at Tankspot – he confirmed explicitly that they work in Normal and Heroic.
  - http://twitter.com/dularr the Resto Druid
    
    Can more than one person “play” their charm. Does the charm affect who gets the loot or does it allow for additional loot (random?) to drop?
  - Kagitaar
    
    People keep reporting what Cory Stockton was saying in his gined up doublespeak of an explanation. Your GC interview was the only one that got that info.
- http://www.facebook.com/lmmanis Lee Manis
  
  no it’s going be for all raids
http://www.facebook.com/aroyy Miguel Ramirez

WHERE IS GARY!?
http://twitter.com/Kandrakars Martin Ishøy

69 hehe
Suicideking666

Bobba Fett does not die is the Sarlac Pit!
- Kagitaar
  
  I know, so misinformed about Boba Fett.
http://twitter.com/Shaniaxx Shania

Great job, take my money:)
jjd966

About the world pvp objectives and the faction imbalance…is that a problem the global servers you talked about in earlier episodes fix. Ex. 500 alliance and 500 horde in PvE 1.
Krzysztof Kotarba

wpvp is a state of mind
Andreas Phylactou

Hi guys, great show once again.
So it seems like the loot system in LFR is going to be exactly the same system that SWTOR went with for raiding. In SWTOR Operations (raids) when you kill a boss and you loot him, the loot window opens up with the items he dropped and if your character’s name is assigned to the item…then you won it. So Chest item 1 went to Player A, Feet item 2 went to Player B and Weapon item 3 went to Player 3. This was a great system that was implemented since it eliminated the competition and drama that usually came along with raid loot rolls. And furthermore, the SWTOR system also made it relevant to both the class and spec you were using at the time (just like WoW is planning to do). So I, as a Sith Inquisitor tank, won 2 Sith Inquisitor tanking items within a certain run that I did….fantastic!

However, there is currently a problem with the system in SWTOR so I would like to ask you guys if you think the same problem may arise within WoW too. Here’s the problem: Currently, within SWTOR, you are unable to trade the items that drop within the Operations. So when we ran our Operation, we had actually done it with 2 Sith Inquisitor tanks (myself and another random player). I won 2 items from the run (as I mentioned earlier) and the other tank unfortunately didn’t win anything….it happens. However, I ALREADY HAD BOTH OF THE ITEMS I WON!!! So I was desperately trying to find a way to pass the items over to the other tank since he was actually under-geared and could really use them but unfortunately the system wouldn’t let me.

Now here’s my question: since trading is currently allowed with WoW raids…..do you think that this situation that I described would not arise and be an issue in WoW…..OR….will trading become locked again within the LFR raids and so you will not be able to pass on the items to other players? Allowing trading to take place might ensure that items are distributed fairly in situations where the winners already have the item…….BUT it may also introduce further drama into raiding loot rolls/drops….since people might then start fighting over ‘to whom the item should get traded to’. This new system does eliminate ”needing on an item for a friend” in LFR, since the system will automatically assign drops to people…..but within a 25 man LFR raid….if a caster staff drops and the mage that won it already has it….and there are another 4 mages, 2 priests, 3 druids and 2 warlocks within the group….who gets the item?

So, do you think trading will be locked or open within the WoW LFR loot system?
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Gavin-Freeman/100001112602978 Gavin Freeman
  
  but that’s there normal raiding? do ppl pug SW:TOR raid much having a system like that for normal and heroic raid for guild run would be bad for guild’s the system works for pug’s but guild run’s the players can figure out who needs the items the most because there working together where in LFR you just there to get loot and the way it works atm is ppl just roll need as long as they can even if they don’t need it by bringing in the same idea they have for SW:TOR but for pug only raids is alot better a idea than gimping your raid comp like they way you made SW:TOR sound
  - Andreas Phylactou
    
    Sorry, I should have explained a bit. There are also 3 raid levels in SWTOR too. Normal Mode (equivalent to WoW LFR), Hard Mode (equivalent to WoW Normal) and Nightmare Mode (equivalent to WoW Heroic). The system that I described where the item gets assigned to a player is ONLY within the Normal Mode Operations. This is because…in answer to your question….yes people do pug SWTOR raids for Normal Modes. Hard Mode and Nightmare Mode Operations however have the free roll system….just like normal and heroic raids in WoW….so those are the “raids” that a SWTOR guild would go to.
    
    Basically, introducing this “assign loot” system to Normal Mode operations in SWTOR and LFR raids in WoW (i.e. to their lower tier levels of raiding) assures that there will be no “ninja’ing” of loot during pugs. That’s really good.
    
    However, there are still situations where free trading within that system might be both advantages and detrimental. I’m just not sure if the trading will be locked in the WoW model (just like in SWTOR) or if it will remain open just like it is now. What do you guys think?
    - Andreas Phylactou
      
      Oh, nevermind. Got the answer from the orignal blue post:
      
      “You can’t trade this item, or that would defeat the purpose of removing the social pressure on groups of strangers. If you don’t want the item, you are free to vendor, delete, or disenchant it”.
      
      So locked trading. I think this is probably the best route for Blizzard to take. Yes you may still have the slightly unfair and inconvenient situations that I described arise….but at least that’s a better price to pay than ‘additional raid drama’ or as Blizzard put it “social pressure on groups of strangers”.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=671726271 David Stewart

Worth waiting a couple more days in order to trade Gary out for Mike
http://twitter.com/crusadernero Erik Bjørbæk

Cant wait for MoP to launch! Feels so fresh and new! We are going to travel into a continent that is brand new and unknown, there will be so much to explore and do.

Also the fact that raiding/endless hc dungeon runs wont be the “only” thing to do at max lvl is great. As a wow player since launch of the game, I have experienced it all from noobing around to hardcore raiding 5-7 times a week. Right now im at the “I play when I can and want to” mode. Doing dailys, alts, LFR, guild dungeons, achivs etc.

The things that are coming with MoP makes me even more sure that wow will be the king of mmos for many years to come.
http://www.facebook.com/ReynardDudos Tim Mrahcg Perry

Calling it right now, Garrosh is phase one of the final boss. “Sha of Hate”, anyone? Anybody? *tinfoil hat*
Darkfire124

I’m glad they are going back to the world changes like they did in classic, I really enjoyed the things like the AQ opening and Nax where the world changed because something was happening.
http://twitter.com/zerconi Samuli Rauatmaa

Great episode! Lots of interesting discussion.
http://twitter.com/Thaguf Thaguf

Thanks guys for the info and all the hard work you did. Mike Schaffnit is getting really good at this.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Joao-Vicente/100000881627920 João Vicente

Let me clarify Lore, Mike B and Mike S what Mike S was asking
about the raids. I got it.

He was saying, since they are putting raid
mechanics into normal dungeons, what will they put into raids? even
better mechanics? or just go the lazy route?

Its actually a interesting questions. But we will have to wait for beta to find out.
http://www.facebook.com/lmmanis Lee Manis

Stop looping the same video over and over again, let us see your guys faces. Please.
- iamthemikeb
  
  fapkiller?
  - http://twitter.com/c3o5nnect J
    
    lol, u stoopid mike…
http://twitter.com/Sanovah nick

did mike kill Gary?
Dave Haas

Wherever Gary went, he seems to have taken your itunes logo with him, the past few weeks the logo has been MIA for both Legendary and TWImmo, next time you see Gary check his pockets.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=822839515 Anders Justin Damlund

awesome show you guys … great info
Revanhavoc

Some people complain that it’s not Gary, some that love that it’s not Gary,
but in the end Mike tries so hard to be exactly like Gary, except for when he
goes off script, the major difference being Gary is funny, and Mike is
funny-awkward.

Don’t get me wrong I love ‘em both.

Mike S is boots on the ground, understands the medium and the message. He is
at his best in analytical mode.

Gary turns
the threads of information into a tapestry of broadcasting that breaks down
barriers and breaks the main stream mould. To put it simply, he’s on a whole
other level.

Obviously he has talents in “finding talent” to supplement his
own, in the forms of our own damn renaissance man Mike B and protégé Mike S and
ya well, there’s Lore…ya. This message has no real purpose and will self destruct in 5 seconds.(God you suck Revan…)awwww…:(
Some people complain that it’s not Gary, some that love that it’s not Gary,
but in the end Mike tries so hard to be exactly like Gary, except for when he
goes off script, the major difference being Gary is funny, and Mike is
funny-awkward.

Don’t get me wrong I love ‘em both.

Mike S is boots on the ground, understands the medium and the message. He is
at his best in analytical mode.

Gary turns
the threads of information into a tapestry of broadcasting that breaks down
barriers and breaks the main stream mould. To put it simply, he’s on a whole
other level.

Obviously he has talents in “finding talent” to supplement his
own, in the forms of our own damn renaissance man Mike B and protégé Mike S and
ya well, there’s Lore…ya.

This message has no real purpose and will self destruct in 5 seconds.

(God you suck Revan…)

awwww…:(
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1137714071 Christopher Helminger

best legendary ever and i love that gary got replaced by a dude who actually knows what the game is about!
http://twitter.com/BLTank Bryan Lind

Love the double Mike and Lore setup! Please don’t change!
Keigh

I wanna play MoP so bad, hopefully Beta starts soon and I get in right away. I dont wanna wait any longer!
http://twitter.com/Apollus91 Will Price

As a fellow glasses wearer, please Mike S, it might hurt with the headset at first but please straighten them out.. Minor pet peeve ><
- http://twitter.com/MikeSchaffnit Mike Schaffnit
  
  haha… i didnt honestly notice until after we recorded the show… but trust me, i see it too and it bugs me just as much
  - http://twitter.com/Apollus91 Will Price
    
    haha its all good. Keep up the hard work man, thanks for being entertaining on a daily basis
http://twitter.com/Tatlreach Mike S

Man this episode was stupid long. Are you guys gunna have anything to talk about next week?
They’re going to have gear normalized in Challenge Modes like they did in 4.3 Test Realms.
Thank god they didn’t spoil ME3.
- Kagitaar
  
  I’d be pissed, I’ve barely done anything in ME3 with all the other crap that needs to get done. Now I have MoP beta too, where will I find the time?
http://twitter.com/Rin_Lunasong Amy Dooley

I’m so excited for perma-tree back ! Mike S I share your enthusiasm for the new druid glyphs. <3
http://twitter.com/dularr the Resto Druid

I think there will be sponsered challenge modes. Have two or more teams compete in a challenge instance, and the first team to finish their dungeon, wins a sponsered prize.
jaymon1579

Still seems hard to believe they would make MoP free, I mean they still charge for realm transfers, faction changes, name changes, race changes, etc. I don’t see them breaking Cata sales records in 24 hrs but if they can get 2 million at say $40 that’s $80 million gross (+ more if you include collectors edition sales). I’m sure stores would get a small profit + some who pickup a copy in a store might buy something else while they’re there. They’ll offer collectors editions for more + digital downloads which I’d imagine are a bit more profitable then shipping regular copies to stores.

Besides need more profit to try & work on new character models right? or is that just too expensive?
- MMO_Doubter
  
  Clearly, Blizzard has deemed them not cost-effective.
  
  I agree that MoP will not be free. TOO much profit to be had from box sales.
  
  GW2 has shot itself in the foot with the whole gold-for-sale scandal. Every possible successor to WoW has managed to sabotage its potential. Remarkable.
- Kagitaar
  
  You do realize that any change to the character models will have some outcry, so they want to make them as perfect as they can to avoid that, right?
http://justgizzmo.com/ Michael

Damn so many spoilers…. btw Bruce Willis is a ghost!i should note that that spoiler was ruined for me in 50 first dates…. grrr
pc11

so the new LFR loot system is basicly SWTORs normal mode operations system :p
John Hurry

FREE MOP IF YOU RESUB TO ANNUAL PASS? OR DISCOUNT MAYBE?
moosaba

for the love of god get Mike S. off legendary! host whatever else he wants but not leg. J/k but seriously ease off bud, you control the spotlight TOO much. You give one person the chance to respond then u cut off the other to carry on yur tangent. just need to give the other person chance to speek before you do or before u throw another question out. Throttle back bud. Your the host you should not be 70% of the talking when there r 3 ppl.
http://twitter.com/TheDreadfulBore Bore

Anybody else starting to notice how much Lore’s been complaining lately?
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=613400106 Francois Brisson

Disappointed in not having a new one this week.
http://twitter.com/SilverTaurusPL SilverTaurus

How can you ask questions for future shows ?
Elusive Fox

That panda was hawt.
Elusive Fox

Also for your whole pokemon thing, and esports in wow in general (arenas, bgs, etc), what really needs to happen is what has happened to make SC2 very accessable, and that is some form of replay system, as well as a good way to make pre-made matches, not through the automates system and maybe not for rewards, but by gathering a group of players together and playing. Until that can happen and happen easily, wow esports is dead.
http://www.facebook.com/neal.reagan Neal Reagan

I think they should make two factions within the factions, Like in BC between the scryers and (aldors?) Don’t remember what the second faction was called. But make that, seperate the horde and alliance into these two factions, and give them both capital cities, and have each player choose between the two at level cap. Then provide strife between the two and have alliance members fighting each other, and horde members fighting each other. That should fix most of the faction imbalances. Offer different things specific to each faction. Just an idea. kthxbai…
Arun Gvanovski

WoW show is alot better without Gary

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