This Week In MMO: Noob Island

Written by: (Twitter @Shaddoe - ) | April 26, 2012 9:30 am
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The publishers of the “true action-MMO” TERA released an epic gameplay launch trailer, but our panel still has a hard time loving this game.

TERA now starts players in a 20-minute long tutorial-type starting zone at max level. Mike B enjoyed the idea of starting of at a top level so that you only spend 20 minutes or less deciding if you like the class or not, whereas in most MMOs it can take you hours upon hours to make that kind of decision.

Mike Schaffnit, on the other hand, kind of had the opposite experience. He felt jarred having to start at a that high of a level; he would rather take his time learning the class a small step at a time.

If that wasn’t enough, Frogster — the European publisher for TERA — in an effort to help prevent unsavory people from playing its game, asked Bluehole studios to redesign parts of the game so that it can keep the PEGI 12 rating.

Also, World of Darkness creators spoke to Gamastrua about the sandbox experience, stating that that type of gameplay is for the hardcore player. They want their game to have broader appeal, so the designers are working to create a themepark-like starting experience, easing the player into the sandbox elements for endgame.

Our panel questions if this isn’t similar to TERA‘s strategy, with biggest question being does this type of thing work?

We know you love MMOs, we love MMOs too. Each week, we gather some of the best in the media to discuss this exciting genre.

Gary Gannon of GAMEBREAKER, Mike Schaffnit from ZAM, and Mike B from the BFF Report discuss the latest from the world of MMOs in our roundtable called simply This Week In MMO!

This Week In MMO: Noob Island
  • http://twitter.com/Leonic19 Leonic

    Great Video, keep the good work ;)

  • MMO_Doubter

    I played the prologue. All it is, is a tease. You go right back to the poor starting area when it is done.

    “We love MMOs” Why, Larry? They are not deserving.

  • MMO_Doubter

    What they SHOULD HAVE done is make the prologue the starting experience – and dropped you into a L20 area when it finished.

    • Justin Summerlin

      You wouldn’t have an introduction to half of the things in the game doing that.  Dumping someone into a game and saying “good luck figuring things out” is not nice.

  • MMO_Doubter

    BTW, WoW had SIX start areas at launch. I think it is 12 now.

    Repeating the start area for alts is going to diminish rerolls considerably.

  • http://twitter.com/Latinkuro Latinkuro

    Tera dungeons have way to much trash mobs, it’s like a gazillion trashies to get to the good stuff

    • Justin Summerlin

      Pull all of it at once and have a sorc nuke it down.  Problem solved?

  • http://twitter.com/RickoT1031 ƦīƈƙǒƮ

    I played closed beta and skipped the prologue when it came out.  I think you guys are nuts! I loved the starting area and it gets a lot more fun once you start hitting BAM’s and some dungeons.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000331477573 Caleb Smith

    I can get Legendary for Zune player…but I can’t seem to find the other ones…???  I like to watch them in the mini window when playing SWTOR but cant watch the others …anyone know how I DL the others?

  • xLeosx

    It’s really upsetting to see this new generation of Gamer emerging and that it has been so spoiled to the point where a simple grind and having to work for the first few levels causes a chorus of whining and crying.  Gary you set a poor example as a gamer and your lack of professionalism further deteriorates this era of gamer.

    • http://twitter.com/RickoT1031 ƦīƈƙǒƮ

      I agree! Gary is awesome and so is everyone else on GBTV shows, but seriously people are so lazy now.  There is nothing wrong with a grind and every MMO has them, get used to it or stop playing MMO’s lol.

      • http://twitter.com/Symph11 Kristian Stær

        There’s nothing wrong with grind, as long as you don’t have to grind to have fun, there’s enough of that in real life.
        When you >play< a game, you should have fun all the time, even when grinding, which is why I'm looking forward to gw2, as that seems to be the only game coming out where this is the case. It certainly wasn't the case in tera, god I was bored in that game

    • Sir_Franklin

       Actually, he represents the older generation of gamer. The type of gamer that has experienced this type of game-play repetitively and is looking for something new. If we want a different type of MMO that should be justified. Quite frankly, it’s the gaming industry that sets a poor example with WoW clones and games that force players to grind to actually have fun.

      Granted, if you like MMOs that you have to grind for more gratification, then all the power to you, but don’t accuse gamers of being spoiled solely on the premise that they are seeking to enjoy a game.

      • xLeosx

        Your opinion, as this is mine.  I am in the older generation of gamer and I can safely say he does not represent me.  Thank god because I don’t know what I would do if I had the attention span of a gnat.  You are correct in the fact that the gaming industry is setting a poor example but that is merely because the new generation of gamers who are spoiled clamor that they want everything handed to them on a perfectly crafted golden serving tray and the industry caves in to said temper tantrums.  

        • Lycronis

          These “spoiled” comments must be a new trend. I’ve seen this used in several other game sites. Sorry, this has nothing to do with being spoiled and everything to do with poor game design. If you think it is acceptable to play a game that has so many glaring issues and shortcomings, then that is on you. Personally, I think that Tera is awful and I honestly can’t understand how anyone would be willing to pay any amount of money for it. I play and have played F2P games that feel and play far superior to what Tera has to offer. And just so you know, I’m in my 40′s and I 100% agree with Gary’s take on Tera. ;)

          • Justin Summerlin

            Reasons?

        • Rego Kay

          It’s almost as if people are demanding the content what they want in a free market economy, and then utilizing their right to free speech and criticise what they don’t like, with the end result of ensuring that well-made games are more commercially successful than poor or narrow-reaching ones.

          Atrocious. We should move to a communist authoritarian state where an unelected board force people to purchase things that are deemed worthy. This seems to be your opinion.

    • H S

       as someone who has been a gamer since 1983, I can assure you it’s not the new gamers only who have issues with this game. I tried, really, I tried to keep playing but after a few hours, I just couldn’t take it anymore.Shame too, I do like the combat system.

    • ZekePrince

      Are you seriously defending grinding?  You’re basically saying it’s too much to ask for an interesting and engaging starting experience for a game?  Do you understand that this monotonous gameplay is the result of lazy design with the aim of stringing players along for longer periods of time for nothing?
      What I got from your comment was “I am alright with developers not putting effort into engaging players because I know there is something better waiting for me after I get through the trash”.  The reality is, everyone plays at a different pace and the time you take to get through a grind could be better spent playing something more fun and interesting. 

      • Justin Summerlin

        What part of Tera is grinding?  Being required to level is now “grinding” ?  Remember back when grinding meant killing 10000 mobs to bridge level caps on expansions and where super rare items had a drop rate of 0.01% and required hundreds of people farming 24/7 to see more than once a week, and then broke when you tried to enchant them to +9 (fail at +4, item breaks and disappears).  Oh and the fact that if you got PKed you lost 8 hours of leveling.  Tera does none of this.  If the sole act of leveling up is “grinding” to you, what MMOs have you been playing lately that don’t require this except in a specific circumstance (ie, GW PvP)?  Logging in and expecting to be max level with max gear having uber fun just because you’re Gary of GBTV is entitlement.  Sorry.

        • ZekePrince

          The modern definition of grind is repeating the same exact action repeatedly. It is derived from the original “grind” where you had to kill dozens of mobs just to gain xp, because essentially that’s exactly what you’re doing.
          It’s tiresome to hear the “you kids nowadays have it easy, back in the day we had to do x,y & z” in regards to games.  Games are supposed to progress as improvements and innovations  help craft a better, fun experience for players.  The old monotonous ”go kill 30 of the same exact thing” of MMOs simply will not fly today.  It is near unacceptable, and is a sign of laziness and/or poor design.  It is an old tired trick designed to keep players playing longer than needed.  This is why people “power level” in the first place; they want to speed through the BS to get to the good stuff.
          In World of Warcraft, they saw that most new players were quitting before reaching level 20, so as a solution, they completely revamped their lvl 1-60 zone experience for Cataclysm to make it more appealing.  This is a great example of improving the design.
          It’s not ”entitled” or too much to ask for leveling in a game that’s fun and engaging and these guys (mainly Mike B. and Mike S.) have even suggested ways they could have done so with Tera.  
          Bottom line: games should not be about having to “work”, they should be engaging and challenging with appropriate rewards.  If a game does not set the stage early on, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to be forced to continue, in the hopes that it will “get better later”.  

    • http://twitter.com/FenderSaxbey Randall Burt

      I don’t think the issue is grinding as in low-level game play for progressions sake, but rather the lack of variety and repetitious nature of the early leveling. I think that a lot of us do demand that even if we have to “work” for the good stuff, the work itself should still be fun and engaging.

      • Justin Summerlin

        There was this huge beautiful zone with a few quests and lots of things to see and do with just a few quests, none of which required a grind, and only encapsulated the first 10 levels (which go by super fast).  How is that repetitious to you?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EQPUBED7JUPX5RBEQSBVRBXX7E Gramis

    It should become  Tradition when anyone says Tera on TWIMMO Gary has to throw the box.

  • http://twitter.com/Myrrdhinn15 Myrrdhinn

    Great video, and I agree with Gary. Tera is a TERAble game. It should be free to play, and if someone want to torture him/herself with it.. fine. But expecting money for this garbage is disgusting.

  • Sharuko

    Tera will be known as the best MMO to come out in 2012.  You might laugh at me now, but I will be laughing at everyone else in 6 months.

    • snikendelarveføtter

      If they dont like it, should they lie and praise it then? They are sharing their personal experience with the game, just as you are. Since you are allowed to spam gbtv so elegantly on a daily basis with your opinion, then why the hell should the gbtv crew be muted for airing theirs? Double standard at its finest.

      Alot of people share gbtv’s experience with this game, but according to you, we are all wrong and you are right. You complain when they are too positive about a game and you complain when they are too negative. Should they make an even split with every game they talk about (50% positive and 50% negative), no matter how good or bad they think the game is?

      Can’t wait to see if you actually answer me this time, or just continue your neverending rant.

      • Sharuko

        The criticisms about Tera is true for any game.  Gary goes overboard because he knows that means more hits and comments, he is a smart guy.  But it feels like the GBTV crew just follows Gary’s lead (except MikeB).  If he liked the game or thought it was decent everyone would have agreed with him.  I have never seen a disagreement on a game.  I mean when he was gushing over FFXIV just like he is now with GW2 only MikeB had counterpoints against him. 

        It would be cool to have a counterpoint for these shows because it will be for an entertaining show.  Right now it is a massive circlejerk.  I would love to see a counterpoint to GW2 and a counterpoint to Tera and a counterpoint to WoW.

        • snikendelarveføtter

          So what you are saying is that they should hire a bunch of people so they always have a counterpoint to all game previews? Or should they just change their opinion so there is always someone agreeing with you?

          • Sharuko

            Not hire, but invite people.  You don’t have to do it everytime but after bashing a game for months, one show would be cool?

            If GBTV kept bashing GW2 and said it was horrible I would want them to invite people like Elixabeth to have counterpoints. 

        • Alatian

           You honestly think they wouldn’t get tons more page view by bashing GW2? If they based a hugely hyped game, wouldn’t way more people tune in to listen to the controversy?

          Gary, Mike B, Mike S, etc. go on about Tera because they legitimately don’t like the game.

      • Justin Summerlin

        Except Gary doesn’t actually play games as a critic.  He plays games (extremely casually) with a predetermined stance that nothing will change.  I tried OBT with my guildmates.  After level 5, I pre-ordered.  At level 15 I thought “man, maybe I made a mistake” but hearing the fun others were having, I kept leveling.  After 25, I’m quite excited about the HS on Saturday and the launch on Tuesday.  For someone to do an optional prologue then to quit the game at level 2 in the starter area just to bitch and moan and whine about how inconvenient it is to need to progress at all just reeks of unprofessionalism from a journalistic angle.  You can’t expect us to take that opinion seriously when it’s tainted by such an obvious presumption and lack of will to actually try the game so you can at least make informed arguments for or against it.  That is just flat out pathetic on Gary’s part.  Notice most of this episode was him just dismissing valid points as to Tera not being level 85 WoW from the second you start playing and just dicking around for the whole thing.  Maybe some people find that entertaining, but it’s certainly incredibly far from being a factual or useful depiction of Tera.

        • snikendelarveføtter

          So whenever a critic opens their mouth you listen? You have more belief in critics than me then. 
          He tried the starter area last time he played and wanted to try the “new” starter area they promised. Thats why he quit at lvl 2 when he saw that everything was the same as last time.
          I’m sorry if he hurt your feelings.

          • Justin Summerlin

            They delivered precisely what they claimed.  If Gary is incapable of comprehending what they did, perhaps he’s not intelligent enough to be using a computer?  Critics tend to actually experience something then explain in detail with points and counterpoints as to why they like or dislike things.  They don’t just out and say “I don’t like this.”  That’s just a blithering idiot’s opinion and is not useful in any way.

          • snikendelarveføtter

            Just out of curiosity, what are you doing in here? You hate gbtv, you hate every1 disagreeing with you, and frankly, i supect you dont enjoy anything.

          • Justin Summerlin

            I enjoy educating people as to why a non-gamer who has a misguided opinion and spouts factually incorrect claims is wrong.  It’s hard to mitigate the poor quality of a thing like GBTV because Gary never has an opposing view on the show (ever).  Did you watch “The Sanctum”?  Not a single time in the entire duration of the show did anyone have a disagreement.  And Gary does what amounts to reviewing a movie by watching the previews.  I also keep asking the same question to people who keep saying Tera is bad or that they have a negative opinion of it: “give reasons.”  There are precious few of those out there.  Just pointing out to anyone that stumbles across this TWIMMO that the ill-informed opines presented here are not based on any reasoning, rather just regurgitation of the same ill-informed opinion of Gary.

          • http://twitter.com/FenderSaxbey Randall Burt

            I’d have to disagree with you there. They added a 20 minute pre-newb area that was, IMO, more frustrating than instructive. Then, in this “revamped” starter area, they moved a mob or two. I think it was a little misleading.

    • Lycronis

       You know Sharuko, I’m beginning to wonder if you may have some mental issues. No offense, but just about every comment you make is so off base it’s not even funny. If you honestly think that Tera will be regarded as the best MMO to come out in 2012 by the majority of the media and players (your personal opinion does not quantify it) then you must be seriously delusional.

      And btw, they were stating “their” opinions about the game, which is shared by numerous others, whether you like it or not. 

      • Sharuko

        In 6 months when people look back Tera will be looked as the best MMO to come out in 2012.  GW2 will take the route of SWTOR, massively successful for the first two months.  Massive excitement for the first two months.  And then people will be asking for server mergers because of the lack on content.  MoP will be stable, not growing but slightly decreasing in subs.

        Again, we don’t have to argue this point.  Only time will tell.

        • snikendelarveføtter

          I have seen at least 20 people telling you about all the content in gw2, but you are clearly to busy with your ranting to even look into the subject. There is more to do in gw2, once you hit 80, than in any other mmo (at launch). The fact that you are unable to (or unwilling to) see this, is entirely on you. 
          My hope is that gw2 doesnt leave a dent in your ego once you see how wrong you are (or maybe i hope it does, so you learn something).

          • Sharuko

            If you believe that, there is no point discussing the point.  Because you are clearly delusional. 

          • snikendelarveføtter

            What do you have at endgame in Tera? A few raids and the political system as well as some random open world pvp? (yes i know you have dungeons, but you outlevel those, so those can not be counted as endgame)

            *In gw2 not a single part of the game gets outdated. Every single map is rewarding a lvl 80 player to spend time there, both loot and karma wise as well as the player experience with the weekly shifting of dynamic events (yes they are going to change dynamic events on a weekly basis). 
            *Gw2 have 32 different dungeon experiences (even more of you count the dynamic events that take place inside them), and you cant outlevel any of them.
            *There is a full map dedicated to lvl 80 players, where there are meta dynamic chain events (open world raids).
            * Around 30 minigames such as keg rugby, bar brawls, snowball fights, archery etc.
            * A ton of jumping puzzles and achievements.
            * more underwater content than any other mmo.
            * WvWvW
            * Structured pvp (4 maps at launch, more added later)

            This is only what we know we will have at launch.

            I leave it to you to compare Tera and gw2. You will need some heavy fan-glasses if you dont see what i see.

          • Sharuko

            The fact you put “jumping puzzles” and “underwater content” into that lists shows me how little content GW2 has.

            “32 different dungeon experiences” I love how you phrased that.  It has 8, most of them leveling dungeons. Period. EIGHT.  Story mode and hard mode are not different, it wasn’t in Rift it isn’t in GW2.  A new room opening up is not new content. 

          • ChristopherMitchell1

             And GW2 hard mode and story modes are completely different, and there are multiple hard mode versions AND there are random events that could occur while doing the hard modes… These are in no way comparable to Rift tbh. I like Tera now that I have gotten to lvl 26 but the starting areas ruined any chance Tera had at being ‘the best’ because so many people give up before they reach the fun.

          • snikendelarveføtter

            You still fail to see the big picture, and i doubt you will see it before you compare those 2 games for yourselves, as i know you bought gw2. Lets have this conversation a month after gw2′s launch and we can see what you have to say then.

          • ChristopherMitchell1

             The end game dungeons you don’t out lvl, The hard mode versions are considered 5man raid content. Apparently not even a whole lot of korean players have beaten them all… just my 2 cents :D

    • iamthemikeb

      50% would be fair and balanced fyi.

  • Justin Summerlin

    The initial quest that gives you the gear and has you running around talking to the wounded soldiers takes at most 1-2 minutes.  The other 18-19 minutes is you experiencing different aspects of gameplay.  Swimming, climbing ladders, basic combat (one mob at a time), then multiple mobs, then BAM encounters.  If it takes 10 minutes to equip the gear they give you, you might be stuck on Island of Dawn for a few weeks.

    Honestly, you shouldn’t judge this game until you’re at 30+.  It doesn’t start getting enjoyable until you start dealing with group content and GvG.  The noob zone is roughly 0.01% of the game.  You may as well judge an FPS by the fact that you don’t like the color of your health bar — the result is the same here.

    • http://twitter.com/Symph11 Kristian Stær

      If people shouldn’t judge the game until 30+, what’s the point of playing it?
      I don’t wanna play through 29 lvls before the real game starts, I want the game to start at lvl 1.

      • Justin Summerlin

        Then might I suggest a first person shooter or a non-RPG PC or console game?  How about a flash game?  Ask any MMO veteran if their favorite MMO was only good from 1-30 but sucked at max level.  The vast majority of experiences in-game come from end-game content.  Hell, look at real life, the original MMO.  You level up until you reach roughly 18 years of age.  Then what?  Is the game over, are you completely bored for the next 60 years?  Most of us can’t even remember earlier than 5, so you’re saying there’s 13 years of being an adolescent that should be the most vibrant and interesting/fulfilling levels of our lifetime?  That’s completely and absolutely absurd.

        • Lycronis

           What a lame response! May I suggest you stop acting like you are the be-all, end-all of MMO gurus. If the first 30 levels are crap, then why in the hell even bother wasting your time having levels at all? Sorry, you bullsh*t theory is worthless and stupid. If the designers don’t respect their players enough to design a game with an enjoyable experience from level 1 to max, then they clearly don’t give a sh*t about the player. If you are OK with this design then I say you are a fool.

          Sorry, the more you post, the more stupid you are sounding. Your arguments are pathetic. Even MMO_Doubter (Sorry for dragging your name into this Roger.) has come up with better responses, and that’s saying a lot!

          • Justin Summerlin

            It’s quite a valid response.  You want to jump into a game and have everything ready to go for you.  No sense of accomplishment.  No sense of personal advancement.  Just jump in and go.  You’re describing a fist person shooter.  Feel free to take your pick.  It’s quite clear you aren’t cut out for MMOs.

          • Lycronis

             It’s only valid in your mind, just like the rest of your drivel. It’s quite clear you are not as smart and cool as you think you are.

          • MMO_Doubter

             Hey now!

          • Lycronis

             Yeah, sorry about that, was uncalled for.

        • http://twitter.com/FenderSaxbey Randall Burt

          I don’t think anyone is suggesting that the early levels be as challenging or engaging as later levels (though I don’t think that is unreasonable), but they certainly should be fun and IMO, TERA’s early game experience just wasn’t. Besides, I had a great time with every single one the first 39 levels of “life” and am looking forward to the rest!

          • Justin Summerlin

            No reasons to explain why you didn’t like those levels?  

          • http://twitter.com/FenderSaxbey Randall Burt

            In short, I thought there was too little variety in mobs and their behavior, too little variety in the types of quests and activities, the combat was more clumsy than fluid because of the rooted skill animations, and too much “ping-pong” in the quest progression. I will admit that the latter two may be due in large part to my being horrible. These are, of course, only my opinions, and I certainly don’t propose that any other title does it better or worse than TERA does, but those are my reasons for not caring for the game, especially when I can get gaming experiences just as good or better for free these days.

    • snikendelarveføtter

      so after lvl 30 you have 1000 times more game content than 1-30? That must require some serious grinding then. 

      • Justin Summerlin

        How does that make sense?  Look at Rift.  The content between level 1-30 is minimal, you have some quests and a few zones and just a handful of dungeons.  Your first dungeon is available at 17 (it’s 20 in Tera, with a cap of 60, not 50).  Look at content at 50+, you have tons of raiding content, you have 3 level 48-50 zones, you have 1 level 50 zone that’s bigger than most of the other zones combined, you have 50-only WFs, and you have massive amounts of achievements that can only really be achieved at 50.  Literally, a tiny fraction of the content is available to you from 1-30, even in modern western MMOs.  That does not imply that anything is a grind.  What it means is that from 1-30, there’s little there but getting core skills, learning about the story, visiting the main areas, and getting a feel for the combat.  At 30+, when leveling starts slowing down, you keep moving through content but your levels last longer, so 30 more levels of a slower pace with tons of content and then loads of 60+ content and PvP centric things that work best around 60 is very similar to these other MMOs.  To expect massive amounts of content in a span of the game that takes you a few hours to finish is stupid.  If you want a game that takes 5 hours to beat, why are you playing an MMO designed to last and be fun for years?

        • snikendelarveføtter

          I didnt say it was 0.01% of the content, you did. I just transfered that info into the game. You know that 0.01% is 1/10000 right?

          • Justin Summerlin

            Yep. My “how does that make sense” was in RE to your claim that it implies grinding. It does not.

          • snikendelarveføtter

            If you dont think this game is a grind, then it would be interesting to hear what a grind is to you.

          • Justin Summerlin

            Minecraft.  SRO, you know killing 10000 mobs from 60->70, just one after the other.  League of legends from 1 -> 30 and to max runes & all chars unlocked.  Explaining to noobs why WoW and other majorly popular titles have more grind than Tera.  This seems fairly obvious, but I guess it’s not.

          • snikendelarveføtter

            Well, i’m 36 and have been playing mmo’s since UO and everquest, so if that qualifies me as a noob, then what are you? Maybe you invented mmo’s in the 80′s that i missed?

            A grind is the process of engaging in repetitive and boring tasks not pertaining to the story line of the game. This pretty much sums up what you do in the starter zone, and i suspect you keep doing it later as well.

          • Justin Summerlin

            That’s precisely the antithesis of the starter zone in Tera.  So your claim seems to be contradicted by the facts.

            As far as the age argument, time spent doing something does not imply proficiency.  This is a pretty classical fallacy.  While there is a general correlation, it is neither linear nor does it demonstrate a causal relationship.  In fact, there are far too many examples contradicting the assumption of linearity for it to be useful to use in any type of debate especially as some kind of credential.  If you’ve played for  10 years but not achieved anywhere close to what I have in 5, you’ve just played more, and relatively, yes, you are a noob (because that’s what the term implies).

          • snikendelarveføtter

            I’ts not even worth wasting time on you. You have replied to 85% of the comments here, and all you do is insinuate how superior you are to everyone. The fact that you think that you are right and the rest of us are wrong tells me you have alot of growing up to do.
             Just out of curiosity, how do you know what i have achieved? Maybe you are one of those “God talks to me” people. Enjoy your little crusade here, but dont be surprised when people dont approve of your points.

          • Justin Summerlin

            I’ve insinuated nothing.  I’ve merely pointed out why not a single valid argument has been made and contradict the misinformation being spread around here in abundance.

          • snikendelarveføtter

            i see you have the memory of a goldfish.

          • Justin Summerlin

            Feelfreetore-readwhat I said.

    • MMO_Doubter

       I start judging a game from the time I start paying for it.

      • Justin Summerlin

        You sound like a terribly boring person.  Never doing anything unless it’s immediately gratifying.  Terrible.  Modern kids, such potential spoiled.

        • http://twitter.com/FenderSaxbey Randall Burt

          Actually, I think he sounds like a person. He didn’t say he judges and then stops if its not immediately gratifying, he’s saying that the entire experience from 1-whatever is part of the criteria.

          • Justin Summerlin

            This is extrapolated from his previous comment about how you’d be an idiot to keep doing something if it only became good at the end.  If he begins judging from the beginning and believes that to be true, my statement holds.

        • MMO_Doubter

           Amusing theory. I am in my 40s.

    • http://twitter.com/FenderSaxbey Randall Burt

      But that’s kinda the point. If a game “doesn’t start getting enjoyable” until you get to level 30, then its not a very good game, IMO. I don’t think its unreasonable for games to be fun from the very start and continue to be so throughout the experience; especially if I’m paying both box and sub.

  • Justin Summerlin

    Coming from a guild with tons of these gamers who’ve done everything from EQ1 to Rift, everyone who’s played this game with us has absolutely loved it.  This game is only repetitive if you want it to be repetitive.  There’s a difference between playing and maximizing.  Between the OBT and HS and HS and launch, if your goal is to be the highest possible level, you go grind out repeatables but this is not required nor does it benefit anyone but people who care about maximum performance.  The complaints about the starting zone is totally unjustified, I found it far less bad than WoW, Rift, WAR, and Aion.  What’s worse, far worse, is that we’re hearing complaints about the starting zone which is an insignificant portion of the game (the portion which it appears most of them have not surpassed) and complaints about solo-questing in an MMO.  In a group of 5, it takes about 3 hours to get to 25.  Judging a game with thousands of hours of playability on the first 3 hours is beyond stupid.  Way, way beyond it.

    • Jeremy Whallon

      What may be insignificant to you is extremely important to the overwhelming majority of gamers. If I’m not entertained and hooked within the first hour of gameplay, why would I force myself to continue on in hopes that somewhere (8+ hours) the game MAY become interesting and enjoyable?

      And you’re being ridiculous if you think WoW’s current starting zones are worse than Tera’s.

      • xLeosx

        I have played WoW since its Inception.  WoW starting zones are the same thing different skins.

        • Lycronis

           Sorry, but you are incorrect. WoW’s starting zones are at the very least, marginally fun. Tera, on the other hand, has possibly the worst starting zone of any MMO I’ve ever played. Nice try though.

          • Sharuko

            Nah uh.  WoW’s starting areas are worse.

          • snikendelarveføtter

            Make a poll about that. Though i dont think it would be good for your ego to see the result.

        • MMO_Doubter

           That is a lie. I am no longer playing WoW (due to their greed and my boredom), but just stop lying.

      • Sharuko

        I disagree it is not “extremely important to the overwhelming majority of gamers”, it is only important to people who have been playing MMOs for years and are jaded with MMOs. They want something different because they have been doing it for years.

        I played Tera open beta with two people that never played MMOs before, and they didn’t even noticed anything about the starting area, there were no complaints.  They seemed to be running along enjoying themselves but had a lot of newb MMO questions.

        I think Tera’s starting zone is better than WoW’s (because of the combat).  But WoW has more variety which is one Tera’s biggest faults (the lack of different starting zones)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_R35J5EUERGS3E6JRIQMBCDTRRY Nathan I

      even though I found the combat fun, all the other negatives about the game really outweighs the combat. If I want hack n slash I can buy a cheap console game, why would I pay for a sub?

      • Justin Summerlin

        Because a hack n slash console game is not an MMO and it doesn’t have GvG nor any sense of accomplishment behind it.  Especially not with modern hack n slash games being trivially easy.

    • Lycronis

      Yeah, because the first 3 hours of a game should be miserable, depressing, pathetic and boring. You, sir, are a genius! Sorry, when your beloved Tera goes f2p in less than six months, I guess we’ll see how important those first 3 hours were. And brw, all those games you mentioned have FAR BETTER starting areas than Tera could ever dream of.

      P.S. It seems pretty obvious that your opinions are not shared with the majority here. Just saying.

      • Justin Summerlin

        They aren’t miserable.  They’re just tutorial-esque.  Same as every other game.  That being your only QQ because you’ve done it in literally EVERY OTHER GAME you’ve ever played is an invalid complaint.  Also, it’s pretty hilarious you talk about going F2P as some kind of negative point.  Games at all levels tend to make far more in a microtransaction model than in a subscription model.

        As for “the majority,” it’s pretty clear there’s a herd of sheep here just following Gary’s misinformed preconceptions.  It feels like I’m talking politics on a FOX News website with fans of Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly.

        • Lycronis

          Yeah, heard of sheep. You are so delusional it’s not even amusing anymore. Out of my former and current guild members, friends and acquaintances numbering somewhere around 80+, not one of them that has tried Tera have liked it or thought it was going to be a great game. See, I can talk about a bunch of other people feel too. Sorry, but your argument that the game is going to be great, but only past level 30 is pathetic. And yes, going F2P soon after launch IS a bad thing, because it will be just that much more proof of how lackluster the game actually is. Sorry you are too stupid to see it. Oh well, the developers should feel good knowing they ripped you off.

          • Justin Summerlin

            The definition of “delusion” implies a generally held understanding of fact.  It’s not generally held, it’s personally held for you.  My personal position in spite of yours does not make me delusional.  At least TRY to use big words correctly, please.

            As far as your “example”, you said “not one of them that has tried Tera have liked it”.  This does not preclude the possibility that none of them has tried it.

            LoL has been F2P its entire lifetime.  Yet GBTV has a section dedicated to it.  If being F2P implied it was a shitty game, the evidence presented on this very website would appear to contradict you.  I believe in this case the correct definition here is that you’re delusional.

          • Lycronis

             As I said, sorry you are too stupid to see it.

          • Justin Summerlin

            So you’ve resorted to calling names?  That’s all you have left?  No valid arguments, no points, nothing left but to call names because you’ve been exposed?  Well, looks like you are done then.

        • MMO_Doubter

           There is more than ONE herd of sheep. At least four, by my counting.

    • MMO_Doubter

       WoW has 12 starting areas now. Which means far more variety in leveling alts.

      WH Online had the best low level game play of any MMO I have played (it fell apart after tier 1).

      You are just wrong.

      • Justin Summerlin

        I am wrong because variety implies quality?  So what you’re saying then is D3 is the best game of all time?

    • http://twitter.com/FenderSaxbey Randall Burt

      Its not a mistake to judge a game on its own merits rather than in comparison to other titles (regardless of their popularity). I do conceded that it is unfair to judge an entire game based on one or more small parts, but they should be considered as part of the whole. That being said, the starting experience for any game is crucial to getting players interested and continuing to pay subs. I believe your contention is that while the starting experience may be lacking for some, the content in later levels more than makes up for it. Fair enough, however, I think it is valid criticsm when that starting experience plays such a big part in attracting and keeping players, especially when there are so many choices.

  • Justin Summerlin

    Judging by the fact that we were seeing wars of hundreds and hundreds of players at level 32 in the OBT and with constant queues, I’d disagree with your sentiment.  You and others who have been playing MMOs for 10 years may abhor the idea of starting with no skills or bad skills and needing to learn to play and work your way up to real content after having done it in 6 games, but what was the last game where people said “fuck it, cap level is bad, I’m just going to constantly re-make characters to relevel” ?  That’s what it is.  It’s a mandatory tutorial, and many games have them.  Look at WoW’s, it’s easily the worst I’ve ever seen and takes even longer.  12 million people didn’t seem to have a problem with it.

  • GammaWolf

    100% Agree the show’s position on Tera. It might be better later on, but there are just to many other big games coming out to waste my time grinding lame content.

    And seriously what is with these people trying to justify a shallow boring grind? People have no problem working for things in games as long as that work feels rewarding and enjoyable.

    Tera’s starter zones plays exactly like the 1000000 Korean grinder FTP games that like 1% of Western gamers can stand for more than 5 seconds.

    If people stopped wasting their money and lives on shallow garbage content like Tera’s starter zone then we might actually have some innovation for a change.

    All Gamebreaker needs to do now is tell the truth about the disaster that is SWTOR and out a netflicks banner on the side that my adblocker can remove and they will be completely in sync with gamers.

    • ChristopherMitchell1

      I agree with your frustration with the starting areas but the game as a whole isn’t bad. I wish they had done a better job on that part and this game would not be getting so much flak if they just started everyone at lvl 20 lol.

  • Justin Summerlin

    Western games have grindier starting zones.  You propose more rewarding games are coming out?  D3 — what is Diablo?  Oh, it’s a PvE grinding game.  GW2?  One of these days maybe, and its pvp won’t compare (coming from people who’ve played it).  What else?  A new version of Minecraft?  Look at Minecraft, what is it?  MASSIVE GRIND.  I have yet to grind out of necessity in Tera.  I’ve grinded for over 300 hours in Rift in various manners, repeating the exact same dungeon every week over and over and over just hoping for a drop, grinding Pyrkaris to hit 1034 PA.  I spent less time grinding in a Korean game before to hit cap.  I’ve spent less time grinding in Korean games than I have spent grinding in D2.  Surely, you must be joking me with these ridiculous arguments.  ”grind”.. lol.  Gamebreaker has been completely orthogonal to actual MMO successes for quite a while now.  Their stance on Tera is predictable and incorrect.

    • http://twitter.com/Symph11 Kristian Stær

      Whatever you say, the starting experience of Tera is so boring you wanna kill yourself. And about the pvp, didn’t they say that the arenas won’t be in there at launch? Also, GW2 WvW >>>> over anything pvp Tera has to offer, in my opinion.

      • Justin Summerlin

        The starting experience in GW rivaled WoW in badness.  And coming from a hardcore PvP and PvE dominating guild with people who are fanatics about GW2 and have participated in both GW2 betas and Tera betas, they’re pretty sure Tera > GW2.  We’re all pretty letdown, and GW2 is nowhere in sight.

        • Lycronis

           Load of crap! “I know a friend of a friend that says this is better than that!” Really, that is the best you can come up with. Sorry, just take a look at all the gaming related sites and it is easy to see which game is being regarded as the much better game. It sure as Hell is NOT Tera! I have absolutely zero issues with anyone liking Tera, but for those people to try and make these ridiculous claims about how it’s a better game than any of the other AAA titles like WoW and GW2 is simply beyond delusional. There is a reason why the majority of the media is praising GW2 and ragging Tera. Simple fact of the matter is that Tera is not in the same league as GW2. Does that mean Tera is a bad game (it is to me) or that it is doomed, no. But it is not going to be a better, more successful, or more popular game than GW2 and anyone that says otherwise is simply being fanatic. Come back here next week and you’ll see which is regarded as the better game.

          • Justin Summerlin

            You do realize that the popular bloggers and reviewers from various media sites tend to get paid to write reviews, right?  Often from the vendors themselves (along with early access, VIP treatment, and perks galore).  Most of them are completely invalid because of it.  And I’m talking about GW2 diehards admitting that Tera is better after playing it.  That’s a pretty severe blow to GW2.  I had no desire to play Tera until I jumped into the OBT and actually tried it.  We’re talking about people who played the shit out of GW1 and were completely fanatical about playing GW2 into the ground claiming that Tera will be better from their own experience in GW2.  Pretty hard to ignore.  Then you have Gary who’s about as far from a credible critic on games as they come.

          • Lycronis

             Oh OK, let’s try the “they get payed to praise” defense. Dude, you are getting more lame by the post. Name your “sources” that say Tera is better than GW2. Oh, that’s right, YOU CAN”T! Again, come back next week and you’ll have even more “proof” of which game is regarded as the better game.

          • Justin Summerlin

            Ask any member of my guild, Addiction.  Feel free to drop the GW2 members that are playing Tera a PM.  These are players, not media shills, and they’re not casuals.

          • Lycronis

             Again, LAME! Give up dude, you don’t have the cred to back up your crappy claims.

          • Justin Summerlin

            How is that lame?  I gave you sources to ask.  Feel free.  You aren’t willing to ask GW2 players what they think and as a result, I’m “lame” and I haven’t the cred to back up my “crappy” claims?  Shoo troll.

          • Lycronis

             Your guild members are hardly “credible” sources. And just how many of these supposed guild members have actually played GW2? Again, nice try but you have made it perfectly clear just what your agenda is. Do everyone here a favor, don’t go away mad, just go away! And take you little Tera buddy Sharuko with you! ;)

          • Justin Summerlin

            Yes.  Players who have played both GW2 and Tera are not credible sources how?  Gary, a guy who is not a gamer, is terrible at games, actively plays no games, and is not a professional critic of games is hardly a credible source.  That would be correct.

          • David R

             Wait, so your entire guild got in to the closed beta test, something that was extremely limited? Sounds like you’re making stuff up.

          • Justin Summerlin

            PleaseshowmewhereI madesuchaclaim.

          • Alatian

            “Ask any member of my guild, Addiction”

            Implies every member of your guild has played either game, of which the odds are extremely small (given that the press in the last CBT vastly outnumbered the rest, and the press themselves probably didn’t have many people). In fact, even as few as five people from your guild getting in is extremely unlikely.

          • Justin Summerlin

            The implication is that you can ask any member of my guild, we’ve heard over the past few weeks from players in the GW2 betas while playing Tera lots of reasons they think Tera is better.  Everyone is a secondary source.  They’d refer you to the people who’ve actually played both if you wanted information, however.  I did not ever claim that everyone in my guild had access to a beta.

          • Alatian

            Like I said, the chances that ANY members of your guild got in to both beta tests is well, well below 1%. Getting in to one of the beta test was already extremely low, but you assert multiple guild members got in to both?

            Furthermore, is your guild really that trusting that people who haven’t played either, and were supposedly really excited for GW2, will totally believe what your friends were saying about either game?

            If I now assert that my guild members have played both extremely limited GW2 closed beta tests, and TERA, and pronounce GW2 the better game by far. Should you take my word for it? No. Anecdotal evidence, especially one with such limited odds, is not evidence.

            Sorry, but math is simply not on your side.

          • Justin Summerlin

            It appears simple probability is out of your reach.

          • Alatian

            Actually, i just realized somthing. While there’s only been two CBTs so far, one of them has been press only. Which means, unless your guildmates are press, and therefore according to you not “true gamers”, then they could only have participated in one test (which contradicts your earlier statement). Furthermore, no, the odds are still extremely small. The press world VASTLY outnumbered the public worlds last patch. And there was only a limited number of press in the beta. The odds of several of your guild members getting in the beta are close to zero.

          • Justin Summerlin

            Terrible logic is terrible, and wrong.

          • Alatian

            How? You stated your friends got in “both CBTs”. But there’s only been one available to the public so far.

          • Justin Summerlin

            It appears you have both misread and mislogic’d.

          • Alatian

            Nope. You said “and have participated in both GW2 betas…”. That’s plural. But that’s impossible unless they were press, since until tommorow there’s only been one CBT open to the public.

          • http://twitter.com/RodaSmash Hannah

            Are any of you guys actually reading eachother’s comments on letter at a time?

          • Alatian

            No ma’am. If you sign up for Disqus (the chat system Gamebreaker uses), you can reply to comments from their website, and read them easily. It’s a really weird system, and I hope it eventually gets changed.

          • delaterius

            It must be really easy to hold on to your preconceived opinions if you define everybody who disagreeswith you as “not a gamer.”

          • Justin Summerlin

            Itiscommonknowledgethat Garyisnot agamer.

          • delaterius

            What do you think a gamer is?

          • Justin Summerlin

            Someone who is passionate about games and playing games.  Not someone who hosts a show to talk about games.  Definitely not someone who shares an opinion based on inexperience.

    • Lycronis

       They only thing incorrect here is your assumption that your opinion has more weight than others opinions. If you like Tera, that is great. I think the game is awful, but that’s my prerogative. And yes, Tera is  GRIND!

      • Justin Summerlin

        What about it is a grind?

  • snikendelarveføtter

    I made it to lvl 5, then i uninstalled. I have played at least 20 free mmo’s and i’ve never quit that fast. If the game starts being fun after lvl 20, then they made a huge mistake by making 1-20 the way they did. They will lose alot of players during that starter zone for sure. 
    My guess is that Tera will set a record when it comes to an AAA sub mmo converting to a f2p model. 

    This is my personal opinion, so please refrain from trying to convince me that i’m wrong.

  • http://twitter.com/Raktiv_ Erlot

    you can skip the prolog…just sayn…i like it.its a cool game but not worth 50€ and 13€ each month i will do it for something like 5/6€

  • http://www.facebook.com/daniel.beverly Daniel Beverly

    Did he write tera-ble on the ff14 box? funny

  • http://twitter.com/TuxPants Frank Paisley

    In an MMO you’re supposed to keep playing long after max level. The leveling process is there to teach you how to use skills mostly, right? Therefore, if they expect you to be able to play a level 20 character with no experience, 1-20 aren’t necessary. Except it sounds like it IS necessary and they just jarringly throw you in at 20.

    • Justin Summerlin

      You have the option to do a prologue.  In the prologue, your character is level 20, not 1.  It takes under 20 minutes to complete and is meant to give you a sense of how your character plays and to see if you’ll like it at 20+.  It is entirely optional, though.

      • http://twitter.com/TuxPants Frank Paisley

        I didn’t know it was optional, didn’t pay attention to that part. Thanks! I’ll be skipping it for sure.

  • ChristopherMitchell1

    As a huge critic of Tera I have to admit that people are not lying that once you are past 22 the game actually gets interesting and fun. However, I fully understand and agree that if the whole first 20 lvls suck players will think the whole game will suck. I honestly would never have gotten through noob island if I didn’t have my friends with me.

    The prologue I feel is just bad. It was obviously just thrown together and was very disappointing. I hope they decide to change this at some point even though they can’t before launch. And I also wish the first dungeon was harder but meh. TBH I will be playing this game because I got the taste of the fun in the last OBT and I have friends who will play with me so I know I am going to have fun now but lvling alts is going to be a bitch >.<

    (MikeB I share your agony… DAMN YOU UNICORN!!!)

    • Sharuko

      lol and this dude was attacking me last week.

      • ChristopherMitchell1

        I still stand on everything I said btw lol just I was finally able to get to the “fabled” lvl 20+ and experience the ‘real’ game but until you get to that point the game sucks. If it wasn’t for the jiggle physics attracting my perverted friends I wouldn’t have spent another weekend playing it. If they want Tera to succeed they need to fix this tbh, but it may be too late just because like I have said about SWTOR: there are no second releases for mmos.

        • http://twitter.com/RodaSmash Hannah

          /shrug  I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:

          They need to add some kind of scoring system to the prologue, and if you score well (AKA: are not overwhelmed by all the buttons and mechanics) you should be able to skip the Island of Dawn and all “content” up to level 20, so you can get into the good stuff from the start!

          Also @ ”no second releases”
          APB.

          • ChristopherMitchell1

            honestly, if they don’t redo the whole starting areas they should at the very least let alts start at lvl 20 so that we only have to suffer with one character at the very least. I am an altoholic but I may quit this game if I make too many… only be able to handle 2 more toons probably.

  • Krzysztof Kotarba

    imo Slayer and Berzerker were the best classes. Tera is great example of asian mmo.

    • ChristopherMitchell1

       Well if you are just talking DPS classes lol but I still prefer ranged. My main is a mystic and my next will be a priest…. I’m usually always a healer lol

  • Zach Sharpes

    The only reason I bared to watch this entire episode is because of Mike B. All Gary and Shaffnit did was bash bash bash with out any explanation or insight. This was imo the worst TWIMMO and dont get me wrong I love this show, but the utter bias of two out of three hosts is not how you analyse something. 

    • Justin Summerlin

      Not much in the way of journalism, is it?  Go into game already deciding you don’t like it, finish a quick optional prologue and doing 2 quests and calling it quits then talking crap about a game for an hour.  Totally legit, IMO.

      • http://www.kaiketsu.enjin.com/ Corey Jenkins

         What a lot of people aren’t realizing is that they have spent previous beta’s in the game. Not saying that they couldn’t have played it more, but they have done way more then just two quests.

        • Justin Summerlin

          The first betas were capped at 22, later at 38.  If Gary had actually played it even a small amount of time, either of those is achievable within a beta timeframe with minimal effort.  Both of those would’ve started to expose the game.  But he’s still stuck in his dislike (with no merit nor fact based arguments) of the noob island.  This implies he never surpassed level 10, which requires you to kill a sum total of what, 50 creatures of 13 different types and turn in a few quests while seeing the entirety of the zone?  Woah, grind man.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Evan-Iwerks/712235 Evan Iwerks

             Gary has his opinions on Tera, and has stated them previously. The point of his talk here was to confirm that the new changes to the game didn’t change is opinion.

            If he’s missing out on a great game because the opening hours are garbage, then you can say it’s his loss – that’s fair. I do agree that the opening hours are garbage, though, and there’s absolutely no reason for games to push content in this style anymore. Starcraft 2 was amazing at minute one, and continues to be amazing even now. More and more, RPGs are learning to have awesome content throughout, rather than a long grind-fest to get to that stage of awesome. Tera is simply behind the curve.

        • Lycronis

           Yeah, I’ve played in four Tera betas, trying to give it the benefit of the doubt, and every time I’ve still come away feeling that the game is awful. Yes, this is just my opinion and yes, I can go into great detail into why I feel that way. But I’m not going to because the game just doesn’t deserve it. For those that like it, I hope it continues to keep them happy. Me, I’ll be moving to much greener pastures. Regardless, the Tera fanboys will still claim foul!

          • Justin Summerlin

            You’ve yet to give a single valid reason for your claim.

    • Lycronis

      No explanation or insight? They clearly stated why they felt the way they did. Tera is getting bashed because it deserves to be bashed, and for MANY reasons. Why the Tera fanboys are so blind to it is beyond me.

      • Justin Summerlin

        They clearly opined.  They did not give any facts or reasoning why they feel that way.  It’s very much preconceived dislike perpetuated as if the game actually instilled that feeling into them when it clearly did not (because they didn’t actually play it).  TERA is getting bashed because it’s a Korean game that people have assumed to be a grindfest, that’s pretty much it.  But in reality it’s doing everything correctly.

        • Lycronis

           Key point you left out about Tera doing everything correctly is the fact that this is YOUR opinion, which is clearly shared by a very small minority. IF it was doing everything correctly, there wouldn’t be so much negativity go around, and not just here but everywhere. Nice to see just how blinded fan can be.

          • Sharuko

            Popularity means nothing really.  McDonald’s is not the best restaurant in the world.  But judging by your standards it might be.

          • Lycronis

             Oh come one Sharuko, you’ve tried that tired argument before. Can you not come up with something original to try and defend you attempts and claiming that Tera is something it’s not? So sad.

          • Justin Summerlin

            How about vaccinations?  There’s a huge movement of people claiming vaccinations cause autism and other problems with no positive scientific evidence.  There’s that whole scandal with the chick who got the flu vaccination and was unable to walk or talk (she was faking).  That’s a whole lot of people speaking out about something that’s widely held by reputable scientists as vitally important.  The number of people making negative claims about something does not imply there is a truth to their claims.  This is another common logical fallacy which you seem to exercise quite often.  At one time, it was understood “everywhere” that the Earth was flat, and anyone who claimed it wasn’t was considered moronic.  That worked out well, didn’t it?  The premise for that issue was ignorance.  The premise for the issue here is ignorance, too. Primarily, the fact that most people speaking out against the game installed it, killed a monster or two and said “ooh pretty” and uninstalled it, keeping their preconceived notions about the game rather than actually letting the game prove itself on merit alone. The same is true of Gamebreaker.  The same is true of most of the naysayers I see out there, the claims they make simply aren’t true of Tera, even though there are plenty of valid complaints to make (sticking people in the most populated channel possible while switching zones which is annoying to say the least).  But of the valid complaints I’ve seen, none have been compelling to the point of “don’t play this game because X.”

          • Lycronis

             You are so delusional it’s not even funny. But don’t worry, I won’t
            waste my time responding to you again, because you are simply a waste of
            time. Keep thinking that you are better, smarter, more experienced and
            cooler than everyone else. The rest of us know the truth. :)

          • Justin Summerlin

            Again, please try to use words correctly.  Someone who disagrees with just you is not delusional.  It is reassuring that we have you here, though, to tell us what everyone else but you thinks.

          • Justin Summerlin

            I would gladly make a long writeup of what it’s doing correctly if you wish.  And we can feel free to have a public discussion with polls to determine the merit of my claims.  Most of it is not opinion, though.  For instance, the use of a 3rd party highly acclaimed AAA+++ and very well proven engine (Unreal 3) versus rolling their own or using a poor engine and augmenting it, the awesome support they have, the awesome depth and usefulness of their on-website guides, etc.  None of this is opinion.  None of it is “just because it is Tera, it is correct.”  Oddly enough, that would seem to demonstrate that I am not a fanboy, rather someone who actually tried the game, realized it was fun, and decided to explain this to others and contradict commonly held misconceptions.

      • MMO_Doubter

         The question is whether they are fanboys – or something else.

  • jazzbrownie

    I used to think the swtor fanboys were bad…  that was before I discovered Tera fanboys.  

    It’s a frightening new breed of keyboard warriors.  No comment section is safe.

    • Justin Summerlin

      I used to think closed minded ignorants who never deviate from their own ill-formed and misguided preconceptions about everything in this world would never make it onto the Internet.  Thanks for proving me wrong!

      • snikendelarveføtter

        Could you prove his point any better?

        • Justin Summerlin

          Sure, if I proved it at all, I would have proven it better.

    • Sharuko

      You haven’t met the GW2 fanboy’s I assume.

  • Karael

    While I didn’t have much of a problem with Tera’s starter island, that’s not to say they couldn’t have designed it a bit better. The combat was fun and refreshing enough for me, though. I didn’t even notice whether the quests were repetitive or if I was killing the same mob numerous times. And as a girl who designs clothing for a living, I certainly can appreciate having a stunning character model to play dress up with. 

    To get to my main point, I tend to go into a new MMO assuming the first some odd levels aren’t indicative of what one can expect as the game progresses. Honestly, if you go into one thinking level 1 experience is mirrored at cap, then you’re an idiot. Tera is a prime example of that. It’s beginning levels are rather tame but the end game is where it’s at. SWTOR is an example of the polar opposite of Tera. Entertaining story driven quests as you level, but what are you doing at end game? Oh that’s right, sitting with your thumb up your ass or playing something else (which their lead designer basically admitted himself).

    Most people aren’t playing for the 1-cap experience anymore, otherwise the old-school grind model would still be in full effect and maybe SWTOR’s servers would still be packed. End game is where an MMO’s longevity comes from now. Sure, developers shouldn’t make the journey there a nightmare, but when a new title is coming out, you have to keep in mind that time and money constraints have a large effect on what it launches with. Developers basically have to focus on one or the other, and if they try to spread out their resources to balanced both, both suffer in the end. That is what expansions and patches are for. 

    So in summation, If I find a game I can enjoy and have to choose, I’d rather have a game that lacks in beginning to mid game content, I’m happy to give the developers my support and money while they smooth out the experience over time. After all, how many hours do you spend leveling up these days, in comparison to time spent at the end? Altoholics and severe casuals will feel differently, of course, but that’s how I feel about it.

    • MMO_Doubter

       Only an idiot would buy and keep paying for an MMO that sucks until end game.

      • Justin Summerlin

        Do you like food?  A lot of it tends to suck until its end state.  How about cooking?  How about exercise?  So what you’re saying is that nothing that has a satisfying end with a less than satisfying beginning is not worth doing?  You’re just a massive pessimist and your opinion about games should not be taken seriously.

      • Karael

        Why? If end game consists of content I know I’ll enjoy, why not stick through it? It takes about a week to get to cap in Tera, and that’s with only moderate effort. That means 3 weeks in the first ‘free’ month alone, that I have left to do all the good stuff I want. And the content only grows from there with patches and expansions. 

        If we all ran around with your logic, there would be few, if any, MMO’s because no MMO can launch with 7+ years worth of content and polish. And since “it sucks” developers would lose funding for further development because no one would be playing. They can’t just sit on it until every single aspect of their game is perfect because the money runs out. Investors want returns, they can’t keep delaying the project forever. And even if it were possible, there would *still* be groups of people unhappy because what is great and what sucks is *entirely subjective*.
         
        You also seem to have missed the point where I said: 
        So in summation, If I find a game I can enjoy and have to choose, I’d rather have a game that lacks in beginning to mid game content.

        No game is perfect. Everyone will find something about a game that they hate to varying degrees. I don’t think Tera sucks. Therefore, I will play through the moderately boring first 20 levels and enjoy the rest of my experience.

  • Harry Wrobel

    Amount of disbelief whilst watching this video on ur knowledge and common sense of how skills and levels work baffled me… u were at lvl 20 at prologue and level 1 at island of dawn.. yet it took him 10 mins… 10mins to realise u dont start off with all the level 20 skills at level 1… didnt even cross my mind u wud keep those skills… and he makes it sound like u never get those skills again…

    Gary played till level 2… how does he even have an opinion of this game he killed 5 trees and gave up… dont even want to discuss how bad this show was and stopped watching at like20mins it was that bad…

    Only thing i agree with is that that Unicorn walks bloody slow

    • MMO_Doubter

       GG did a previous beta and got a character to 10 or higher. It sucked, and he realized this time that they had not fixed the suck, so he wisely quit early.

      • Justin Summerlin

        Sure doesn’t seem like it.  Maybe he’s a skill clicker and finds it too difficult to do anything in Tera.  I can see how that might be a little problematic.

        • snikendelarveføtter

          I just want to ask “the guru” of Tera a question. They have made the Tera “brand” based on the fact that it has an action combat system. So can you explain to me why the most essential part of action combat, the ability to move while casting/attacking, is absent from the game?

          • Justin Summerlin

            It isn’t.  You need to glyph some charge abilities for movement, and most abilities cause a self stun animation.

          • snikendelarveføtter

            so you can then use all/the majority of abilities while moving?

          • Justin Summerlin

            Yes.

          • snikendelarveføtter

            Why does the forums say otherwise. I’ve seen many threads that talk about this issue, and people are complaining about not being able to move while casting, and no1 is correcting them saying it is possible. I find that a bit odd. 

            Also i havent seen any high lvl videoes of anyone actually doing it.

          • Justin Summerlin

            Sorcs and priests have major abilities that require them to stand to cast, mystics have to stop to drop balls on the ground, and a lot of abilities cause stop animations while they’re being used, but they can still be used while moving.  There’s also a lot of confusion over stun animations which makes people think they have to stand still to use an ability.  Check out Archer/Berserker PoV to see charge-up abilities then a self-stun animation.  If you could cast everything in this game without ever stopping movement, ever, pvp would be impossible and it’d be stupid.

            /watch?v=oG8lme51-sI

            Notice the constant movement of everyone.  Yep, such a stand-still game!

          • HarmonBlues

            Look at you, sir; respectfully informing a member of our community about Tera! 

            “And what happened, then? Well, in Whoville they say – that the Grinch’s small heart grew three sizes that day. And then – the true meaning of Christmas came through, and the Grinch found the strength of *ten* Grinches, plus two!”

          • Justin Summerlin

            Nobody asks questions, though.  Everyone just asserts that Tera is terrible and everything they’ve heard is correct and therefore nobody should play it.

          • HarmonBlues

            Well, it’s nice to see that you’re taking some time to just talk with people and let them know more. I’ve seen you do otherwise -.- and I hope you continue to have this kind of discourse with people instead. Disagreeing is fine, but I prefer debates over useless arguments. Mike B. pointed out some of that information about the combat to me yesterday. I still don’t think I’ll be playing Tera, but it was interesting to hear about. It does make me feel a bit better about the combat in Tera and if someone asks me about it I’ll pass that information along. I have no desire to try and deceive people just to get them not to play a game as some people might do. I’m not referring to you and the people who resort to that behavior know who they are. I might not want to play it, but others might enjoy the game. To each his own.

          • snikendelarveføtter

            What you need to realise is that most people in here, that are talking about Tera, have actually played the game. But you dont seem to accept their point of view.

          • Justin Summerlin

            I actuallyknowthat most ofthemhavent.If youinstalled, playedtolevel5, thenquit,you’veplayedTeraasmuchasyou’vewatchedamovieafter seeingapreview.

          • snikendelarveføtter

            I tried it out to see if the game was as my friends described it, and it was, and i know we like/hate the same kind of games. I’ve read articles about the game written by people I trust to do reviews. I have seen plenty of videoes, and i’ve learned alot about the game from random people that have taken the time to write in debt about their experience. To me, that is enough to decide if its for me or not. 

            Am i allowed not to like it or is that not good enough for you?

          • Harry Wrobel

            You havent played the game though as you calearly stated all you have done is what videos and read forums

          • snikendelarveføtter

            I have now, and it was about 873486 times better

          • snikendelarveføtter

            Thnx for proving my point. The archer didnt move once while shooting.

          • http://www.facebook.com/JustinWalker.aka.skel Justin Walker

             It’s called auto balance in PvP guy… BUT.. the rooting goes away (most of it) Rooting is in place so ranged players can’t jump around all day and kite people making PvP unbearable. Rooting makes it possible for melee to catch up to ranged and ranged to get away from melee, etc. It makes a lot of sense and it is sad that the majority of gamers are sheeeple and don’t have brains. TERA brings alot of content that is enjoyable. If your an MMO player that likes to play solo (doesn’t make any sense to me… it’s an MMO dammit…) this game is not for you, period. Seriously though, if “grinding” 20 lvls is to hard for you gamers, you should go back to WoW, Rift, etc. If you can’t even give TERA a good trial run, (30 lvls at least) you have no right to say anything, I am sorry, but it’s true. Also, to all the people trying to defend WoW’s starting area’s.. up intill Cata launch the starting zones were bloody horrible, nothing was new or exciting.. BUT, people sucked it up and grinded through it so they could play the fun content.. same applies to TERA, except the lot of people are being sheeeeple and are just following, which isn’t fair, not at all.

          • http://www.facebook.com/JustinWalker.aka.skel Justin Walker

              It’s called auto balance in PvP guy… BUT.. the rooting goes away
            (most of it) Rooting is in place so ranged players can’t jump around all
            day and kite people making PvP unbearable. Rooting makes it possible
            for melee to catch up to ranged and ranged to get away from melee, etc.
            It makes a lot of sense and it is sad that the majority of gamers are
            sheeeple and don’t have brains. TERA brings alot of content that is
            enjoyable. If your an MMO player that likes to play solo (doesn’t make
            any sense to me… it’s an MMO dammit…) this game is not for you,
            period. Seriously though, if “grinding” 20 lvls is to hard for you
            gamers, you should go back to WoW, Rift, etc. If you can’t even give
            TERA a good trial run, (30 lvls at least) you have no right to say
            anything, I am sorry, but it’s true. Also, to all the people trying to
            defend WoW’s starting area’s.. up intill Cata launch the starting zones
            were bloody horrible, nothing was new or exciting.. BUT, people sucked
            it up and grinded through it so they could play the fun content.. same
            applies to TERA, except the lot of people are being sheeeeple and are just following, which isn’t fair, not at all.

          • snikendelarveføtter

            In gw2 everyone can move and use skills at the same time, and not once has there been an issue where a class can just kite you around. They have balanced out that kind of action combat so why cant Tera do it? Action combat without movement = not action combat imo.

          • Harry Wrobel

            tahts because they gave every class ranged and melee spells so its not the end of the world…. However in tera they havent gave a warrior a ranged move since that stupid as there a melee class and didnt want to make every class do everything cuz then what difference does it make what class u pick.. the animations? so differentiating /s.

          • Lycronis

            *Sigh* Yet another clueless person commenting on something they clearly have no clue about.

          • snikendelarveføtter

            huh? try gw2 and then come back and write your reply to me again.

      • Harry Wrobel

        To 10 or higher… to level 10… In his opinoin every MMO sucks then if he only goes that far as the first 10 levels of any MMO are boring as hell.. and the same as every other game…

  • Roysten

    I am between mmos at the moment so I tried the Tera beta, fully intended to play all weekend because I had no interest in the other beta that weekend.

    I didn’t get past the portal to the combat in the prologue.

    Entered world. Tried to move but instead teleported forward 10ft and fired an auto attack. spent 10 mins adjusting my brain to wasd and tinkering with mouse look speed.

    Pressed F at some npcs who said some dull stuff. Tried to open map to find an npc. Spent 5 mins trying to find way to open map and failed (found out no map of area so its disabled afterwards).

    Jumped a bit.

    Get told I am about to enter combat and should look at my abilities. Spend a while getting mouse cursor to appear to mouse over. Getting my head round 2 full bars of skills without seeing them work is a struggle. 

    Work out how to open skill tab so I can read and use skills.

    Find even more skills including a pbaoe I like the look of. Try to move it to skill bar.

    Spend 10 mins trying to move it to skill bar.

    Alt tab to forum and find out this is also disabled in prologue. Read on and find out I will be returned to level 1 in a bit to be taught to do all the things I have wasted my life trying to use.

    Uninstall beta client.

    Watch telly (BBC on iplayer ;) instead.

    • Sharuko

      You know I didn’t get it when En Masse was talking about MMOFO.  But after reading this post I get it, it all comes to me. This game is not for you, it might be a little too complicated for your tastes. Which is not a bad thing, people prefer different things.

      A brand new MMO is coming out that might be better for you, just 5 abilities till max level.

      • Lycronis

        Shows just how stupid you are.

        • Justin Summerlin

          In the immortal words of Forrest Gump: “Stupid is as stupid does.”

        • Sharuko

          Oh yeah let me switch my weapon and get 5 more abilities!  Casual Wars 2.

          • TacoBaal

             That joke was just tera-ble.

          • snikendelarveføtter

            You have 15 skills available at any time (25 if you are an elementalist). And in between fights you can switch weapon sets and utilty skills and have 15 (25) new skills for the next fight if you feel like it. How many skills do you actually use on a regular basis in other mmo’s? Not more than 15 thats for sure.

      • MMO_Doubter

         It’s not for anyone who wants to play an MMO with a mouse and keyboard.

      • Roysten

        Cheers for the advice.Think I might try it out.I do hope the beta isn’t a terrible bodge that I end up uninstalling though, that would be disappointing.
        Do you want me to let you know how it goes?

      • snikendelarveføtter

        Just shows how little you know about it, when you say its 5 abilities till max level. Do you have a masters degree in misinformation?

      • HarmonBlues

        “You’re a vile one, Mr. Grinch!
        You have termites in your smile.
        You have all the tender sweetness
        Of a seasick crocodile,
         Mr. Grinch!”

  • Nhoj1983

    Tera is awesome.  Mike B has it right it’s an amazing experience after 20. I’m not spoiled so hard that I can’t go through a few hours to get there.  It could be better.. but the game was easier to enjoy early levels are better than(for me).. Rift.. Aion.. WoW(pre cata non Death Knight).. especially since I was gvging very early on.  The dungeons are by far the most enjoyable I’ve ever come across.  It’s more than just a means to an end I like it just for the way it is.  Still people are different and look for different things in mmos.  I’ll agree to disagree with Gary.

  • http://twitter.com/crocodilius ryan phillips

    Europe is ok with nudity and sex, North America is ok with violence.
    Thus is the world.

    • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

      Its all about complaints.  The example I use is Spanish language talk radio in the US.  If the content of Spanish talk was broadcast in English, all sorts of groups would call for boycotts and apologies.

    • MMO_Doubter

       Don’t lump us Canadians in with the Americans, okay?

  • delaterius

    Good show. We like hearing what you think about TERA. The haters are louder, but the likers are more numerous.

    • Justin Summerlin

      What do you know about what Gary thinks about Tera?  He just said “I don’t like it.”  That’s it.  So you hold his approval in high esteem, without requiring actual reasons for disliking the game?  Also, “we” should be “I”.

      • Ryan Brown

        I’ll use whatever preposition I please, thank you. As for your question, you answered it yourself. I know that he doesn’t like it. I don’t feel the need to reach into his mind, pick it apart, and frame it in some way that makes sense to me. If I disagree with his opinion, and he has provided no basis for it, I will simply carry on with my life. My personhood has a well-defined border that ends long before it reaches Gary Gannon’s mind.

        • Ryan Brown

          Darn. I called it a preposition instead of a pronoun. Goodbye, wind from my sails.

        • Justin Summerlin

          “We” is not a preposition.  It is a plural pronoun.  You made a statement of fact based on a person’s mere approval, not based on any reasoning.  You also claimed to represent others than yourself.  So what we have here is a self-admitted idolatry?

          • Ryan Brown

            You’re about 4 minutes late pointing out my minor vocab flub, but since our conversation has devolved to that point, I’ll stop spamming the GB comments section with this nonsense. Thanks for dumping on my encouraging comment to my favorite newscasters. I’ll leave you with this thought: I adore Gamebreaker not because I take what they say without question, but because I’m capable of taking an opinion for what it’s worth.

          • Justin Summerlin

            Which is absolutely nothing.  An opinion with no reasoning behind it is pretty much the most worthless thing in existence.

          • snikendelarveføtter

            Well we dont take your opinion although yours is completely without reasoning, so i guess we are selective about who we listen to. I doubt you have reached a single person with your frontal assault on every single post (that doesnt agree with you) in this thread. 

            I doubt i’m the only one thinking that your kind of argumentation defies its purpose. You are trying to speak up for a game you like, but do it in such a fashion that you are in effect a repellent.

            Tera would fire you on the spot if you were in charge of their marketing.

          • Justin Summerlin

            I’m glad you didn’t make a point and that you didn’t take note that I haven’t actually stated an opinion.  I’ve just pointed out the inadequacies in others’.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Baesel/11612845 Jason Baesel

             Justin you need to get over yourself. Just sayin.

          • Justin Summerlin

            I’m not seeing it.  Pointing out that others are making baseless claims and decisions without evidence makes me full of myself?  If you carefully inspect what I just said, then read a dictionary for a few minutes, you might find that what I’m doing is in fact the exact opposite.

          • H S

             pretty much like every post you make. An overcharged emotional opinion based on a biased view of what is or isnt good.

            Deal with it or take your meds. Some people tried it and like myself, found it utterly boring to tears.

          • HarmonBlues

            “Your soul is an apalling dump-heap,
            Overflowing with the most disgraceful
            assortment of deplorable rubbish imaginable,
             Mangled-up in tangled-up knots!”

  • http://twitter.com/gw2lubber GW2lubber

    There is far too much MMO partisanship on the ‘net regarding GW2 and Tera.

    I have bought both. I shall play both. The irony is that I played Tera in Open Beta only because I was killing time until the GW2 BWE. Well, I found Tera’s combat the best experience I’ve had in any MMO over the past seven years. The starting levels are very noobish, but I loved it regardless.

    Now, I can’t tell you which game is superior in my opinion. I haven’t actually played GW2, and it’s dumb to make that assessment without having played the game. But I didn’t have to buy Tera to access a beta, and their engine is rock solid – check out large GvG videos in the game, and hope GW2 can pull that off without insane chug even after release.

    My guess is that GW2 will have a far superior storyline and quest progression. Anyway, there is no need for reviews with MMOs if you don’t plan to buy them at launch. Wait for a free trial, and check it out for yourself, or wait for three months or so, as player reviews are generally more trustworthy and varied than those from any media site. I do think that Tera is an underrated game that is getting some unflattering and somewhat biased press due to its Korean leanings.

    I think it’s a great game, and I hope GW2 will be also. Deal with it…

  • http://twitter.com/Hoigwai Hoigwai

    I can appreciate the work EM has done, however given what I have seen and the reactions of people who’s observations I respect, I will not be playing Tera. 

    • Justin Summerlin

      No specific reasons, just a general disapproval without providing any reasoning behind it is enough for you?

      • snikendelarveføtter

        yes i guess it is….live with it!

        Are you on a mission to try try to convert people that dont believe in the game or is it just so hard for you to accept that people have a different view on Tera than you?

        • Justin Summerlin

          People who perpetuate this “I’m not playing, Tera sucks” without any reasoning are a plague.  Herd mentality is a serious issue with this country.  Too stupid to think for yourself so absorb your opinions from some moron on a TV show that has what who knows absolutely nothing about it?  Yeah, great idea.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Baesel/11612845 Jason Baesel

             I played the beta for myself, and while the rest of the game does indeed sound neat from what i’ve seen, the good does not out way the bad for me. The experience at the beginning of the game is terrible, and the questing is the wost quest I’ve honestly ever experienced (and ive played many an mmo). For me the journey is worth more than what I’m going to get at the end, and for me, the journey sucks in Tera.

            I will say that I think it is perfectly valid for people to look at the reviews people make, with whom they’ve agreed with in the past, and say they do not want to spend money on a sixty dollar game with a monthly fee.

          • Justin Summerlin

            $50, and you can buy time cards from other players with in-game currency.  You say the questing sucks but you don’t provide reasons why.  Also, it’s too bad you require immediate gratification as the only justification for doing anything.  I honestly feel sorry for your life if that’s your ideology.

          • Jeremy Whallon

            It’s not about “instant gratification”. It’s about NEEDING to hook your target audience in the beginning so they care about the middle and end.

          • Justin Summerlin

            Maybe for people who need instant gratification.  For others who actually play a game and look at what it has to offer rather than OMG SHINY I CLICK IT R FUN OMGZ I PLAY THIS GAEM!, good game != first 5 minutes of game is OMGWTFMMORGASM!

      • http://twitter.com/Hoigwai Hoigwai

        It looked boring, slow, and grindy.

        In the end each person should play a game because they WANT to, not because of any other reason. When I watched the footage I didn’t feel inspired to play it.

        If you want to play it, by all means, do. I hope it will provide you the fun you seek.

        ~Hoigwai

  • http://twitter.com/dularr Dularr

    For alot of MMO’s I find you can hit a wall, that requires a little push through.
    My personal experience is:

    WoW: Level 60, once you get off Azaroth, leveling from 60 to 85 seems to be a push.  Working your way through the expansions.

    Rift: I lost interest in my character around level 20, after finishing the first couple of areas.

    SWTOR: After getting my first character to level 50, I kept losing interest in the other stories around level 30.

    TERA: It just sounds too bad this games wall is the starting zone.

  • http://twitter.com/SeedEve AppleSeed2148

    I tried it,love the combat but find the questing boring and in my book the game’s not worth a subscription because there’s a lot of F2P doing almost what TERA does out there.

  • http://twitter.com/mgnexus Mike Garcia

    I had the same experience they portray in this show in regards to TERA. I signed up for the beta and received the invite for the Open Beta last week. After hearing they had adjusted the starting experience to be more in your face right from the start, I became more excited to play it than I had in previous weeks after hearing about its numerous downsides. I went in with an open mind, hoping it would at least be better than SWTOR and give me a reason to play it at launch.

    Well, after doing what seemed like 20 straight “talk to this guy, now this guy, now this guy, now this guy” quests at the beginning of the prologue, then doing some traversing of the nice looking land to get to some fighting…I finally found myself enjoying it a bit, since the combat is pretty fun.

    But yeah..once you get through to the end, and jarringly get thrown into the “old starting point”, the game just went downhill so fast for me that I logged off after about 2 hours of playtime. Likely not long enough to make a real judgement on it as it sounds like it doesn’t start til level 20, but for me, it was all I needed to know about the overall polish and production quality of the game. If what I experienced is what they felt was good enough to get a player interested and addicted to their world…then they certainly were not looking at me as the target demographic. After 2 hours, I uninstalled and watched this episode simply to see if the team mirrored my thoughts on it, which they did.

    After getting my fill of EverQuest, logging enough hours into WoW that I feel forever “over it”, grinding myself out of love with Aion, and having been completely turned off by SWTOR’s lackluster experience outside of the personal story, TERA and GW2 are the 2 MMO’s I’ve looked to for my next big MMO addiction. After my experience with TERA, my hopes now solely lie with Guild Wars 2..and I hope this weekend shows me that I have found a new home.

  • tom jordan

    Highly sexualised race that looks like 8 year old girls who flash their fanny to you every time they perform an action? Wrong, on so many levels wrong.
    I’m sure this is Pedo-bear’s new favorite game of all time.

    Thats even before we get to the cookie cutter questing.

  • http://twitter.com/TuxPants Frank Paisley

    Is it weird that this game makes me think of ‘Mike Tyson’s Punch Out!!’? In that they are both games where you have to quickly respond to your enemies’ tells. Mike B was saying the game was too easy. I hope the difficulty really ramps up because Punch Out!! was hard as hell so you can definitely make a game like that difficult.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alex-Pickrell/100000428945988 Alex Pickrell

    Ancient Aliens uses fallacious logic Gary, you shouldn’t watch it.

  • DrossRocket

    So how long are you gonna be throwing the FFXIV box?  Sure it disappointed you at launch. Have you logged in since any of the updates? Reported about the huge overhauls made to the game? The Free trial Campaign set for May 9th?

    Keep throwing the box, and /cry /wrist some more but do so after re-evaluating the game in it’s current form.

    Don’t do it for yourself, do it for your professional journalism.

    • Lycronis

       Well, if you have played MMOs for a long time then you should know that 99% of the time a game’s first impression is the only shot it has. If you don’t find enough enjoyment out of a game at launch because of glaring issues or whatnot, then more than likely you are not going to want to waste your time waiting and hoping that it might improve later. Far too many MMOs have come out less than stellar at launch (and I’m not talking about the usual bugs or typical technical issues) only to make promises that the game will get better at a later time. Sorry, I just don’t feel that is a worthy method of releasing games. If it doesn’t have enough of what you were looking for at launch, then it’s not worth it to wait and hope that it gets better at some point. For me, Tera falls into this category. It has some nice things, but it also has some things that completely turn me off. Also, it hasn’t even released yet but they are already starting with the “It will come at a later time.” excuses.

      • DrossRocket

        I totally agree with what you are saying. But what GBtv & crew are essentaily doing is this:

        Telling me how WoW  plays TODAY,  but they have only experience with the game during the very first month of vanilla launch. Disregard all the updates and expansions, tweaks and fixes.

        Is that fair? Is that being professional?

        Is that misinforming the gaming community they have built up here?

        Heres an idea: How about Gary and Mike B both reinstall XIV for the “Return to Eorzea Campaign” set for May 9th-20th, check it out then they can throw the box some more.  They both have copies of the game, it’s FREE playtime for 10 days. I don’t think they’ll like it based on their ingrained hatered for the game. But at least they’ll have an updated opinion of the current feel and direction for the game.

        Maybe they are waiting for the Ver 2.0 launch.

        what really lets me down is this “MMO WEEKLY NEWS” devoted 30 minutes on how much tey hate a game, and think it’s going to fail. yet they can’t give a 30 blurb of “well XIV is still trying to hang on, they are offering a Legacy “vetern” deal for people who sub to the game now, and a free 10 day trial for anyone who bought the game but unsubbed” /throw box

        • Haze4peace

           I agree with you Dross, as a program that talks about the world of MMOs they do a shitty job. You actually have to play MMOs to be able to talk about them. I don’t care if you don’t like the game, you play it, cause that is what we expect in our MMO news. How would you like it if a gaming magazine just didn’t review 75% of titles that came out because they didn’t feel like it? If that’s the case then I don’t feel like reading your magazine, or watching your show.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Luff/31701704 Brian Luff

            I agree with you Haze but one of the things I like the most about GBtv is that they are journalists but they also act like people who want to enjoy their playing time.  If a magazine gives a negative review I don’t expect much more from that magazine on the game.  They might check back in on it occasionally but I don’t expect much more. GBTV sets themselves apart from other journalists sites because they throw in a LOT of opinion on what they cover.  They don’t waste too much time on stuff they feel is not worth wasting time on.  Simply go to other websites if you want more TERA news.

          • Haze4peace

            Those are valid points Brian, I guess gamebreaker just doesn’t give me the information I expect, which is too bad because I love the format.  Yes I have already removed gamebreaker from my bookmarks and have since found other sites that give me a much more rounded and informative perspective of the whole MMO genre. Only came back cause I got an email that someone replied to me. Cheers Brian.

  • dante1025

    Good luck seeking your AWESOME first 10 mins in those so called “AAA” MMOs.

    Btw, Mike Schaffnit can’t handle lv20 toons with like 10 skills? how hes gona play GW2 pvp which start with lv80 characters?

    • Sharuko

      Yeah that part confused me.  How can you play MMOs for years and find 5-7 skills “overwhelming”? Brushing his comments of as “typical WoW player” doesn’t apply here because there are tons of abilities in WoW.  Truly confused.

      • Bestow

        This goes to show they’re really reaching for any kind of excuse to bash.

  • http://www.facebook.com/TheOneKilner Jamie Kilner

    all this flame on tera its probably the best mmo i played ther forgeting to luck at how fun it is to play the class and how smooth tha game runs

    i carnt belive how good this engine is with lots of people on the screen no lag no nothing plus every one is on the same side no bullshit were u pick good or bad and then carnt play with friends

    this is goin to be a big game wen people get into it and stop flaming

    • Sharuko

      Don’t worry about the flames though.  A lot of the same people flaming Tera are the ones that hyped Aion, FFXIV, SWTOR, Rift and now GW2.

      It should probably be taken as a good thing that it isn’t hyped.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/Z36GPOU3Q2QIQYBIDVNQAVGNGE Raul

    I like others, had the same experience the GB crew had with Tera.
    The reactions here to this game are proof that some of us are ready for some outside the box creation in an MMO.

    I freely admit that it’s my own damn fault that I played/grinded wow for the last 6 or so years.It’s just that I have no desire to do it again, without any really creative lore.

    I’ll reserve My judgement on GW2 and TSW until I play them for a while.
    I am enjoying the feck out of Firefall beta at this moment, have had no desire to log into My WOW or SWTOR account since I got in.

    Flying Fredbob Should Have His own segment, where He Discusses important issues like the pornographic nature of Tetris.

  • MysticLlamaMan

    Ultima Online had warring guilds and it was awesome!

  • danisme

    When did Gary turn into such a douchebag?

    • Bestow

      Always. Now he simply doesn’t care. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Brown/790295450 Brian Brown

         and thus why he is awesome :)

    • pc11

      Gary is a goof dont look at him for any kind of relevant gaming news or commentary.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Melissa-McCaffery/743600021 Melissa McCaffery

    TERA now starts players in a 20-minute long tutorial-type starting zone at max level. Mike B enjoyed the idea of starting of at a top level so that you only spend 20 minutes or less deciding if you like the class or not, whereas in most MMOs it can take you hours upon hours to make that kind of decision.
    Mike Schaffnit, on the other hand, kind of had the opposite experience. He felt jarred having to start at a that high of a level; he would rather take his time learning the class a small step at a time.

    If you exit game and go back to character select you do not have to participate in the tutorial and begin at level 1. I figured that out on my own immediately. Its there if you want to try it and you can pass it if you don’t want to.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/F2XRQU4GOV52OTKES2ZLGRBOOE rusty

     So i just bought this game after watching MikeB talk about the lvl20+ player experience and watching the bff report he did. The final nudge came after last night patch failed to fix my SWTOR crashing to desktop problem. Rather play a game that runs and has 20lvl of grinding then one that doesn’t work. Ill just put on my headphones and “Push it to the limit!!” until i hit lvl 20. Hell I miss grinding out mobs with friends rocking out and drinking. My fondest memories are from the Isle of Quel Donas dailies grind. seriously spent up to 12hrs a day killing alliance and starting guild battles with my friends.

  • Key Foster

    Most mmo’s have a different starter experience with every class.

    But not tera. That makes a big difference. (Starter Experiences)

  • http://www.facebook.com/elias.rowan Elias Rowan

    RE: Tera. The game is fine. There’s nothing wrong with it.

    If you’ve been playing MMO’s for 6+ years – it’s the same thing you’ve seen over and over and over and over and over again with ONE difference: the combat style.
    The game is NOT bad. It’s just NOT new.
    So if you want a fun MMORPG to play, check it out. If you want something BRAND NEW AND NEVER DONE BEFORE: start developing because it doesn’t exist anywhere yet.

  • burritobandito2011

    Tera sucks anyways.

    Moving on?

  • Bestow

    Mike B, you’re too good for this.
    I wish you well.

  • Adam Clifton

    Guild vs Guild was in UO (The first graphic MMO), this is no where near new.  (Order/Chaos guilds)

  • pc11

    “SWTOR active supscriptions have not dropped” no shit they offered everyone a free month so the number would stick for Quarter 1 reports!

    That game is a sinking boat kept afloat by Star Wars fandom. Oh by the way another patch this week, another game crash. This has happened with EVERY patch released since launch. They have the worst developer team ever!

  • pc11

    Lets compare Tera launch with MEGA HYPE SWTOR.

    . no technical problems at launch
    . no incomplete features
    . they deliver what they promisse meaning people that want an action mmo with fun combat and awesome looking monsters and scenario WILL love that game. No it is not for  everyone it is for people that simply want to have fun doing combat. CRAPTOR on the other end promised the world and delivered a hand full of cut scenes wrapped in a subpar game.

    Gary please you are good at conducting the show but refrain to giving opinions you are not a gamer or objective.

  • IhealUdeeps

    I believe that this review is a bit unfair. Mainly, from a developers perspective at level 1 the games is to be simple. Mainly, to get you use to not have a cursor most of the time and targeting things. The mobs are mostly melee because they are the EASIEST to avoid. Its only 20 levels…(8hrs?)  Also some classes have it easier than others,THEY tell you that on the character select screen, LOL. Warriors are the hardest class to play in the game want a challenge play a warrior. Yes most of the sidestepping stuff does make it seem like you can’t die. But its like playing any action game, playing a game like Devil May Cry on easy 1-20 isnt like playing it on hard 60+.

     I played KTera. STRICTLY talking PvE, Tera has amazing instances, use of environmental damage is great ALL the fight feel epic and the design is awesome. And the new public raid is a great start to them looking to launching actual raid instances. The Nexus is in NA Tera. But they have design issues that no other game has because attacks and characters have collision so bosses and rooms need to be HUGE for raiding to actually work. Insulting the PvE in Tera because of Noob Island is retarded, its NOOB island, compare it to SWTOR, was the questing (the ACTUAL mechanics) not the Bioware-cheezy, storyline any different. I think not, “BONUS QUEST: kill 30 of this; BONUS QUEST 2 kill 40 of this mob with a changed name). Questing will ALWAYS be killing stuff, and I am glad that Tera has a lot of killing stuff, because the combat does shine at later levels and grouping. Attacks from mobs move faster at higher levels making dodging harder. Gary didn’t give the game a chance. SWTOR, is basically the same thing, questing mechanics, just with some dumb voice acting. Everyone acts as if that game is a God Send. 

    Play to 20 do Bastion of Lok, and you will probably want to play to 30 to which you do SM and some Ovoliths (a BAM) and your opinion will change of the game.

    Oh as for PvP, rather them not released it and released unpolished crap like SWTOR did. At least the game comes with cross server matchmaking unlike swtor. At lets not forget group dueling with wagers :P

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.barber.14 Tony Barber

    Tera is the best mmo out right now. garry is getting delusional. starting zones matters yo….

  • acebandage

    Guys, I love the show but disagree with some of the comments on Tera.  To tell people they are “stealing” from you, the game is DOA, or to say you leveled to 2 and quit does a disservice to people that are considering the game.   While the quests for the first 20 levels aren’t the most exciting the combat makes the mediocre quests much more enjoyable.  I love WoW but you can’t honestly tell me that making a new lvl 1 Orc Warrior is any more exciting from level 1-10.  While WoW does have different racial starting zones the quests are no more exciting and the combat is as boring as combat can possibly be. 

    There’s a ton of fun to be had in Tera in my opinion.  The combat is great, the BAM’s are incredibly fun, and I personally love the art style and in my opinion it’s one of the best looking MMO’s on the market.  Please give your listeners a more rounded review with some discussion of content past lvl 20. 

    Best regards,
    Keith

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/EAVTRT4LRVDHRRMCMRU2EDTRBA Jordan Crawley

    Yeah I’m getting a little tired of Gamebreaker’s decidedly skewed opinion of Tera. I’m really enjoying the game, I don’t see any reason the prologue should need to “save” it. Just more context to why you’re on the island in the first place, not to mention it gives you a nice look at what your class will feel like at later levels. Y’all need to give the hatin’ a rest, please.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/M3GDWGMVJPSGOT2TLRT3VVIICY jamie

    these fucking guys are DERPS …….tera is awsome GARY go fuck youself
     

  • DoctorOverlord

    I admire how Gamebreaker TV is not afraid to give honest opinions and not care about fanboy rage.    You’re calling it like you see it with Tera, well done.    That’s what we want to see.

    From what I’ve seen of Tera I tend to agree with GBTV.   We’ll see how right all the die-hard Tera defenders are a year from now, or even in 6 months.   Gary has made his predictions and I’ve seen him admit when he is wrong.   I very much doubt we’ll see the same from the Tera fans if he’s proven right.

    Good episode and thanks for reviewing the Tera beta so I didn’t have to waste my time. 

  • Cosian

    The review is accurate.  Having purchased the game and played in every BETA, I can attest to the fact TERA first 20 levels was the worst experience I ever had in any MMO … and I have played most.  I tried to give it another go during head start and shut it off at level 5. 

    As a PvP player, the most disappointing part of the game is that the average player will not be willing to suffer through 60 levels of grinding to get to the point where the GvG and political mechanics become relevant.  Prior to level 60 PvP players will need to grind PvE content to level at any reasonable rate, all the while getting ROLF stomped by gear twinked and level capped players.  The core mechanics of this game are simply a big ball of fail.  If you are going to try this game, try it now, because PvP players joining this game 90 days after launch are in for a lot of pain as they grind to get to the promised ‘good stuff’.

    We do have a few people in our guild playing the game and reporting they do like the PvE BAM’s and instances.  Clearly it does hold an attraction for some players.

  • Sessha

    So Gary has now made it to level 10 and then level 2 and he thinks he can comment on how great the game is. Ok… Do that in SWTOR, WoW, any MMO and give me a fair judgement of how fun and great the game is.

  • http://twitter.com/Iomegadrive1 Chris P

    Man, nice to see the Tera community is just as awful as what has been said by everyone else. Someone explains why the game sucks and fanboys rush in to complain and say it was unfair like 5 year olds. Have fun being shunned from the gaming community Tera fans.

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